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good for her. old lady shoots punk kid

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Only if you make the assumption that the kids came back to do harm to her, and this article gives no evidence of that.
They came and threw bricks in her window. When she confronted them with a gun, she demanded they leave her property and drop the bricks. They refused. They were shot. Someone with a brick in their hand who just threw one in my direction is a ****ing danger to me. Period.
 

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The problem with that line of thinking is that one cannot punish a person for what might have happened. Any number of things might have happened.
You can most certainly punish someone for irresponsible behavior which could easily have gotten someone killed. That's why we nail people for DWI.

She fired a lethal weapon that she couldn't control in a highly populated area.
 

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true, the kid "might" have hit her in the head with the brick and killed her...let's put him in prison for the rest of his life because he obviously is a danger to society.
I suspect the odds of the kid growing up to be a frequent guest of the state are far greater than the odds of this old gal killing an innocent bystander.
 

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Only if you make the assumption that the kids came back to do harm to her, and this article gives no evidence of that.
pattern of behavior? this was not the first time these kids had abused this woman or her property. more reason to assume they came back to do harm than to assume they came back to thank her for calling the cops on them.
 

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I suspect the odds of the kid growing up to be a frequent guest of the state are far greater than the odds of this old gal killing an innocent bystander.
bingo. I just wish she'd had better aim, at least took out the little thugs testicles to keep him from polluting the genepool
 

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You can most certainly punish someone for irresponsible behavior which could easily have gotten someone killed. That's why we nail people for DWI.

She fired a lethal weapon that she couldn't control in a highly populated area.
That would only be a valid analogy if the state charged an impaired driver with some sort of manslaughter. It's not quite the same.
 

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By the way, this is why you don't **** with old people. They'll blow your whipper-snapper ass away.
 

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That would only be a valid analogy if the state charged an impaired driver with some sort of manslaughter. It's not quite the same.
No, we bust people for driving drunk even though they didn't hurt anybody.

Same thing here -- luck was the only thing that prevented a tragedy, like the death of a neighbor.
 

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By the way, this is why you don't **** with old people. They'll blow your whipper-snapper ass away.
The sad part is that the little worthless children's parents will probably sue the old woman for shooting their waste of life brat.
 

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No, we bust people for driving drunk even though they didn't hurt anybody.

Same thing here -- luck was the only thing that prevented a tragedy, like the death of a neighbor.
I guess my analogy isn't that great. :shrug:

So where do we draw the line? She was obviously in a great deal of fear and the cops were not able to do anything to help her.
 

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The sad part is that the little worthless children's parents will probably sue the old woman for shooting their waste of life brat.
someone should shoot the parents
 

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No, we bust people for driving drunk even though they didn't hurt anybody.

Same thing here -- luck was the only thing that prevented a tragedy, like the death of a neighbor.
The only problem I see with your argument is that drunk drivers willingly put others life at risk when they get behind the wheel. This woman was scared and trying to defend herself, that is a different scenario all together.
 

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Elderly Woman Shoots 12-Year-Old Boy In South Shore - cbs2chicago.com

I can't believe the stupidity of people taking up for this kid. The lady did call the cops and then the kids came back. Of course the little bastard is going to deny doing anything wrong. My only complaint is that she didn't blast his nuts off to keep his sorry ass from reproducing more thugs like himself.
It was kid with a brick and a broken window. I don't think shooting them was the necessary response.

Kid + brick + window < bullet
 

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It was kid with a brick and a broken window. I don't think shooting them was the necessary response.

Kid + brick + window < bullet
All I see is felon + potentially life-threatening weapon= self defense(bullet)
 

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I guess my analogy isn't that great. :shrug:

So where do we draw the line? She was obviously in a great deal of fear and the cops were not able to do anything to help her.
I'd draw it shy of using lethal force against a kid with a brick.

You can kill someone with just about anything, so simply saying "the brick could have hurt or killed her" is a bunch of crap. You have to look at the percentages, and I'd imagine that a brick kills A LOT less often than a firearm.

Further, she was being pelted when she stood at her window to look at or yell at the kids, and when she went outside to confront them. I can understand why, but if someone's throwing heavy **** at you, putting yourself in range of the heavy **** is a dumb thing to do.

I'm not saying these kids are in the clear, they should definitely be punished. I'm just saying that she took it WAY too far with the gun.
 

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It was kid with a brick and a broken window. I don't think shooting them was the necessary response.

Kid + brick + window < bullet
It was a group of kids with bricks threatening what they thought was a helpless old lady. brick vs bullet, who gives a rat's ass, the little bastard got what he deserved.

If you threaten me or mine, I am under no moral obligation to "play fair" in my defense.
 

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It was kid with a brick and a broken window. I don't think shooting them was the necessary response.

Kid + brick + window < bullet
To be fair, according to her and the neighbors it was several kids and multiple instances of property damage. If it was simply one instance I doubt anyone would be defending her.
 

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The only problem I see with your argument is that drunk drivers willingly put others life at risk when they get behind the wheel. This woman was scared and trying to defend herself, that is a different scenario all together.
One's intoxicated by fear, the other by beer. You have to hold them both accountable.
 

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One's intoxicated by fear, the other by beer. You have to hold them both accountable.
Yes, but she did not knowingly put others at risk. The risk was a by-product of her defending herself, the drunk conciously puts others at risk.
 

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To be fair, according to her and the neighbors it was several kids and multiple instances of property damage. If it was simply one instance I doubt anyone would be defending her.
absolutely. I think that is what the smarty-pants lawyers call a "pattern of behavior"
 

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I'd draw it shy of using lethal force against a kid with a brick.

You can kill someone with just about anything, so simply saying "the brick could have hurt or killed her" is a bunch of crap. You have to look at the percentages, and I'd imagine that a brick kills A LOT less often than a firearm.

Further, she was being pelted when she stood at her window to look at or yell at the kids, and when she went outside to confront them. I can understand why, but if someone's throwing heavy **** at you, putting yourself in range of the heavy **** is a dumb thing to do.

I'm not saying these kids are in the clear, they should definitely be punished. I'm just saying that she took it WAY too far with the gun.
I would agree whipping out a gun on these kids and blasting away was pretty damned rash, but I'm trying to think of an alternative and coming up blank. Should she have thrown the brick back at them? That's a crime and a cause of action. Should she have just drawn down on the kid without the intent of firing? That is a crime and possibly a cause of action, too. Chased them with a baseball bat? Crime and possible cause of action.
 

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No. She did not control it. She said she didn't intend to shoot the little ****, and yet she did.
And of course she couldn't have been telling a little white lie about that could she?

Think about it..... she just shot a kid, the cops were there, and she said she didn't mean to hit him.


















Yet she did....... just by accident...... or not.
 

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And of course she couldn't have been telling a little white lie about that could she?

Think about it..... she just shot a kid, the cops were there, and she said she didn't mean to hit him.


















Yet she did....... just by accident.
good point. could be the difference between attempted murder and reckless endangerment if charges were ever to be filed.
 

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I would agree whipping out a gun on these kids and blasting away was pretty damned rash, but I'm trying to think of an alternative and coming up blank. Should she have thrown the brick back at them? That's a crime and a cause of action. Should she have just drawn down on the kid without the intent of firing? That is a crime and possibly a cause of action, too. Chased them with a baseball bat? Crime and possible cause of action.
Here is the thing, nothing she did was a crime. The kids were trespassing and threatening her, even if she killed them I would not have felt sorry for them. There has to be consequences, and now days all people want to do is send these criminals of any age, to a therapist and then when they think they are all better, they let them go and society faces an even worse threat.
 

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Here is the thing, nothing she did was a crime. The kids were trespassing and threatening her, even if she killed them I would not have felt sorry for them. There has to be consequences, and now days all people want to do is send these criminals of any age, to a therapist and then when they think they are all better, they let them go and society faces an even worse threat.
That all depends, though. Discharging a firearm is probably a crime in that city. If a jury does not believe she had adequate provocation, they would convict her of a crime similar to attempted murder or some crime of recklessness.
 
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