Tsk tsk... There are many servants in Isaiah -
This last servant is also likely one of the figures described as a “servant” of the Lord, which brings us to the category we are primarily interested in: those who serve God.
- Isa. 14:2 refers to unnamed foreigners who will become the servants of Israel.
- Isa. 24:2 refers to the slaves of human masters.
- Isa. 36:9 and 37:24 refer to servants/subjects of the king of Assyria
- Isa. 36:11 has several figures referring to themselves politely as “your servants” when talking with an Assyrian official
- Isa. 37:5 refers to the servants/subjects of King Hezekiah of Judah
- Isa. 49:7 refers to an unnamed, despised figure who is “the servant of rulers”—i.e., a subject of foreign leaders
Many of the uses of ‘ebed in Isaiah are in the plural and refer to God’s servants collectively. This theme emerges in chapter 54 and is especially prominent in the final four chapters of the book:
We thus see that in Isaiah God actually has many servants.
- In such passages, the servants of God seem to refer to the righteous of Israel (Isa. 54:17, 65:8, 13-15, 66:14).
- They are expressly identified with “the tribes of your heritage” in Isa. 63:17, and with descendants of Jacob and Judah inIsa. 65:9.
- However, Isa. 56:6 makes it clear that they also can include foreigners who come to worship God and thus become “his servants.”
Individual Servants
Not all uses of ‘ebed are in the plural, and there remain 22 uses which speak of individual servants of the Lord. Four of them are named:
- The first to be named is Isaiah himself. Isa. 20:3 refers to “my servant Isaiah.”
- The second is Eliakim son of Hilkiah (Isa. 22:20), who was a man that God called to be the chief steward of the house of David.
- The third is David himself (Isa. 37:35).
- And the fourth is the corporate figure of the nation of Israel/Jacob, who is named as God’s servant in multiple passages. A typical example is Isa. 41:8, which speaks of “you, Israel, my servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen” (cf. Isa. 41:9, 44:1-2, 21 [2 references], 45:4, 48:20, and 49:3). https://www.ncregister.com/blog/the-servant-s-of-god-in-isaiah
Who is God’s Suffering Servant? The Rabbinic Interpretation of Isaiah 53 - Outreach Judaism
Despite strong objections from conservative Christian apologists, the prevailing rabbinic interpretation of Isaiah 53 ascribes the “servant” to the nation of Israel [...]outreachjudaism.org
Who is God’s Suffering Servant? The Rabbinic Interpretation of Isaiah 53 - Outreach Judaism
Despite strong objections from conservative Christian apologists, the prevailing rabbinic interpretation of Isaiah 53 ascribes the “servant” to the nation of Israel [...]outreachjudaism.org
Who is God’s Suffering Servant? The Rabbinic Interpretation of Isaiah 53 - Outreach Judaism
Despite strong objections from conservative Christian apologists, the prevailing rabbinic interpretation of Isaiah 53 ascribes the “servant” to the nation of Israel [...]outreachjudaism.org
Isaiah 53:How Do the Rabbis Interpret This? |
Rabbi Moses Alschech(1508-1600) says: "Our Rabbis with one voice accept and affirm the opinion that the prophet is speaking of the Messiah, and we shall ourselves also adhere to the same view." Abrabanel (1437-1508) said earlier: "This is also the opinion of our own learned men in the majority of their Midrashim." Rabbi Yafeth Ben Ali ( second half of the 10th Century): "As for myself, I am inclined to regard it as alluding to the Messiah." Abraham Farissol ( 1451- 1526) says: "In this chapter there seem to be considerable resemblances and allusions to the work of the Christian Messiah and to the events which are asserted to have happened to Him, so that no other prophecy is to be found the gist and subject of which can be so immediately applied to Him." Targum Jonathan ( 4th Century ) gives the introduction on Isa. 52:13: "Behold, my servant the Messiah..." Gersonides (1288-1344) on Deut. 18:18: "In fact Messiah is such a prophet, as it is stated in the Midrasch on the verse,'Behold, my servant shall prosper...' (Isa. 52:13)." Midrash Tanchuma: "He was more exalted than Abraham, more extolled than Mose, higher than the archangels" (Isa.52:13). Yalkut Schimeon ( ascribed to Rabbi Simeon Kara, 12th Century ) says on Zech.4:7: "He ( the king Messiah ) is greater than the patriarchs, as it is said, 'My servant shall be high, and lifted up, and lofty exceedingly' (Isa. 52:13)." Maimonides (1135-12O4) wrote to Rabbi Jacob Alfajumi: "Likewise said Isaiah that He (Messiah) would appear without acknowledging a father or mother: 'He grew up before him as a tender plant and as a root out of a dry ground' etc. (Isa.53:2)." Tanchuma: "Rabbi Nachman says: ,The Word MAN in the passage, 'Every man a head of the house of his father' (Num.1,4), refers to the Messiah, the son of David, as it is written, 'Behold the man whose name is Zemach'(the Branch) where Jonathan interprets,'Behold the man Messiah' (Zech.6:12); and so it is said,'A man of pains and known to sickness' (Isa.53:3)." More in the following link: http://www.hearnow.org/isa_com.html |
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Isaiah 53:How Do the Rabbis Interpret This?
Rabbi Moses Alschech(1508-1600) says:
"Our Rabbis with one voice accept and affirm the opinion that the prophet is speaking of the Messiah, and we shall ourselves also adhere to the same view."
Abrabanel (1437-1508) said earlier:
"This is also the opinion of our own learned men in the majority of their Midrashim."
Rabbi Yafeth Ben Ali ( second half of the 10th Century):
"As for myself, I am inclined to regard it as alluding to the Messiah."
Abraham Farissol ( 1451- 1526) says:
"In this chapter there seem to be considerable resemblances and allusions to the work of the Christian Messiah and to the events which are asserted to have happened to Him, so that no other prophecy is to be found the gist and subject of which can be so immediately applied to Him."
Targum Jonathan ( 4th Century ) gives the introduction on Isa. 52:13:
"Behold, my servant the Messiah..."
Gersonides (1288-1344) on Deut. 18:18:
"In fact Messiah is such a prophet, as it is stated in the Midrasch on the verse,'Behold, my servant shall prosper...' (Isa. 52:13)."
Midrash Tanchuma:
"He was more exalted than Abraham, more extolled than Mose, higher than the archangels" (Isa.52:13).
Yalkut Schimeon ( ascribed to Rabbi Simeon Kara, 12th Century ) says on Zech.4:7:
"He ( the king Messiah ) is greater than the patriarchs, as it is said, 'My servant shall be high, and lifted up, and lofty exceedingly' (Isa. 52:13)."
Maimonides (1135-12O4) wrote to Rabbi Jacob Alfajumi:
"Likewise said Isaiah that He (Messiah) would appear without acknowledging a father or mother: 'He grew up before him as a tender plant and as a root out of a dry ground' etc. (Isa.53:2)."
Tanchuma:
"Rabbi Nachman says: ,The Word MAN in the passage, 'Every man a head of the house of his father' (Num.1,4), refers to the Messiah, the son of David, as it is written, 'Behold the man whose name is Zemach'(the Branch) where Jonathan interprets,'Behold the man Messiah' (Zech.6:12); and so it is said,'A man of pains and known to sickness' (Isa.53:3)."
More in the following link: http://www.hearnow.org/isa_com.html
There's tons of Jews who believe Jesus is the suffering servant of Isaiah 53. They're known as Messianic Jews.Ask a Jewish person.
There's tons of Jews who believe Jesus is the suffering servant of Isaiah 53. They're known as Messianic Jews.
Nonsense. They're Jews. Wikipedia is a secular-minded rag. They screw up theological issues regularly.Messianic Jews are simply Protestants under another name.
What a load of nonsense, which of course has nothing to do with your opinion of Wikipedia, for that is but one source quoting others, and many others are available if you had bothered to look. Why should your lone assertion mean anything to me? Anyway, it isn't a theological issue for Messianic Jews are just Protestants playing pretend ~ that's it.Nonsense. They're Jews. Wikipedia is a secular-minded rag. They screw up theological issues regularly.
There's Messianic Jews all over the world with their own Synagogues, including some 10,000-15,000 Messianic Jews in Israel.What a load of nonsense, which of course has nothing to do with your opinion of Wikipedia, for that is but one source quoting others, and many others are available if you had bothered to look. Why should your lone assertion mean anything to me? Anyway, it isn't a theological issue for Messianic Jews are just Protestants playing pretend ~ that's it.
There's Messianic Jews all over the world with their own Synagogues, including some 10,000-15,000 Messianic Jews in Israel.
Messianic Jews who believe in the legitimate Messiah - Jesus - are the true Jews. The others are in the dark.So? How does that alter my point? It's a stupid concept, as Jews do not believe Jesus is the moshiach. If people believe Jesus is the moshiach, then they are not Jews, they are Christian Protestants and whatever they call themselves is immaterial.
Messianic Jews who believe in the legitimate Messiah - Jesus - are the true Jews. The others are in the dark.
Not according to those of the Jewish religion. The reality of the matter is that none of you know whether the faiths you follow are true or not.
I know the Gospel accounts of Jesus are true. There's multiple, independent reports/confirmations of the life of Jesus.
If you think the Gospels are nonsense, then I have a challenge for you: How about you show me your BEST ONE EXAMPLE ( 1 - JUST ONE) of a fictitious person, place, or event in the Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John). PERSON, PLACE OR EVENT. Cite the pertinent scripture(s) and make your case with some kind of evidence or substantiation why it's fictitious. Please follow the instructions above. Let's see that bad boy.
That's is M-O. Always dodging a challenge and trying to shift the burden of proof. It's downright dishonest.You KNOW nothing of the sort. You BELIEVE these tales to be true, but you cannot demonstrate them to be true.
You are demanding one prove a negative, yet again and that is fallacious. Furthermore, you are trying to reverse the burden of proof of the burden of proof. YOU are claiming these tales are true, then YOU have the burden of proof. I don't have to do anything and I don't fall for such tactics. Care to try again?
So, because of your vaunted knowledge of the Gospels, you are unable to point out even one fictitious person, place, or event. Very chic!You KNOW nothing of the sort. You BELIEVE these tales to be true, but you cannot demonstrate them to be true.
You are demanding one prove a negative, yet again and that is fallacious. Furthermore, you are trying to reverse the burden of proof of the burden of proof. YOU are claiming these tales are true, then YOU have the burden of proof. I don't have to do anything and I don't fall for such tactics. Care to try again?
A veritable potage of mythology!Thanks to Daisy that this verse came up.
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Half Truths...More Deceptive than Outright Lies...
Total bullshit! Those places don't really exist. I can't believe how people buy into this fairy tale garbage. I mean grow up. Lol - what does following what you believe to be "total bullshit" makes you? Especially so when you're getting triggered by these threads - why do you keep...debatepolitics.com
Hebrews 3
Jesus Greater Than Moses
3 Therefore, holy brothers and sisters, who share in the heavenly calling, fix your thoughts on Jesus, whom we acknowledge as our apostle and high priest.
2 He was faithful to the one who appointed him, just as Moses was faithful in all God’s house.
3 Jesus has been found worthy of greater honor than Moses, just as the builder of a house has greater honor than the house itself.
4 For every house is built by someone, but God is the builder of everything.
Jesus is given the title, HIGH PRIEST, after all He is the HEAD of His Church.
Is there any other apostle that's given that title, High Priest?
Did Paul or Peter or anyone else, identified themselves as the High Priest?
And yet - Jesus is given, and He actually identifies Himself with the same title - ALPHA and OMEGA - that's meant only for God.
See?
Jesus and Moses were both faithful - and yet, they were not equal. How is that?
Jesus has greater honor than Moses, because He is God - the builder of everything!
John 1:3
Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
See how everything consistently flows and meld together?
See how everything consistently flows and meld together?
then I ask them, "But even if that were so, what about the holy spirit...if it is part of the same God as the Father, why does Jesus not say that it knows what the Father knows?"...that is a question they can't answer...
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