God did not create the universe, says Hawking

[The Giant Noodle]

To act as if Atheists are just too hard headed to understand the divine knowledge that has been bestowed upon these devout followers, is repugnant. Why not take a page from the book of life, where you rely on empirical evidence for every decision you make, that isn't related to religion. Then apply to the last remaining facet of your life which does not utilize it. Or, just keep your religion to your selves. Keep it out of politics, out of social policy, out of lobbying, out of schools, and off my door-step. I'm tired of being looked down upon by religious people who act as if they know something I don't, because the only thing they know is how to be ignorant to the facts about the world around them. Why bother wasting your time worrying about what someone/something you'll never see while on this planet, thinks about how you are running your insignificant life.

(there is more ranting to be had, but I'll leave it at that)

I am a former born-again. Thing is... they DO know something you dont. They BELIEVE.... why? Different reasons. MANY different reasons. Ya see, its good for them. VERY good for them. Its like a restaurant they KNOW is freakin' GREAT. "DUDE!" You must go to this place and taste the Braised Noodles!
Well God is NOT a Braised Noodle! But thier contention is the experiece of the Braised Noodle! Its their EXPERIENCE of the dish.... of the restaurant. Funny thing is, its their EXPERIENCE of that dish. Is faith a dish? NO! Look... if their experience was without a church and fellow people... then its just words... just another book. It wouldnt be an experience. It would be just another novel. BUUUUT because they have gone to very large social thing that has helped them heal wounds... it IS a place they want to share.

Thing is many people dont need that help. They arent "cured" by it. Hence... the athiest.

 

[jallman]

(there is more ranting to be had, but I'll leave it at that)

And this is why we thank god for the small favors...

 

[Hatuey]

That's a bald faced lie. If you were so welcoming of debate, you wouldn't have stated the irrelevance of religion as an absolutel truth in your opening post.

And I also know your posting history on the topic of religion. You just want a platform from which to spew more bile. We both know I'm correct so drop the facade and get to your usual atheist crusade against religion. :shrug:

That's it everybody, our homosexual Catholic right wing contradiction which his own God considers an abomination has spoken. We can all go home and pretend that he hasn't just divided his DNA by zero. Hawkings stated that the whole concept of a God is irrelevant due to his understanding of physics. Now, I'm no physicist so you Jallman are more than welcome to try and discredit him on the podium of ideas but as our fellow board member Ikari just explained the idea of spontaneous creation is possible. Now, if you can't deal with a theory that makes not only your god but also the religion and economy based around his name that's fine. But don't come and bother us with your complaining?

 

[Your Star]

That's it everybody, our homosexual Catholic right wing contradiction which his own God considers an abomination has spoken. We can all go home and pretend that he hasn't just divided his DNA by zero. Hawkings stated that the whole concept of a God is irrelevant. As our fellow board member Ikari just explained the idea of spontaneous creation is possible. Now, if you can't deal with a theory that makes not only your god but also the religion and economy based around his name that's fine. But don't come and bother us with your whining?

To assume that every Christian believes that homosexuality is wrong is ignorant in itself.

 

[Hatuey]

To assume that every Christian believes that homosexuality is wrong is ignorant in itself.

The Catholic Church most certainly does. Or are you saying that not every Catholic is a Catholic?

 

[Your Star]

The Catholic Church most certainly does. Or are you saying that not every Catholic is a Catholic?

The Catholic leadership may, but they are also against contraception, and how many Catholics use that? Instead of assuming what somebody believes why don't you ask them what they believe?

 

[jallman]

That's it everybody, our homosexual Catholic right wing contradiction which his own God considers an abomination has spoken.

See what I mean? Hatuey immediately defaulted to the most opportunistic and irrelevant attack he possibly could. Mouthfoaming bile spewed by a mouthfoaming atheist zealot.

God I love it when I am right.

 

[Orion]

While Hawking is not infallible, things like cause and effect are there for our benefit. Simply put, there are many times when we consider systems underwhich causality can be violated. We choose answers in which it is not, or take it barring other alternatives. Things like spontaneous creation can in fact be realized and is predicted as such through quantum mechanics. Essentially, spontaneous creation of energy is allowed for short enough time intervals. Much like (delta)x(delta)p is an uncertainty relationship, so is (delta)E(delta)t. In fact, this has a measurable effect and is known as vacuum perturbation in which the spontaneous creation and subsequent annihilation of matter/anti-matter particles is realized out of the vacuum of space. This has a real world measurable found in the Lamb shift; which has been well measured by this point. Spontaneous creation, therefore, is not completely unheard of or unknown.

You're a phd candidate, no?

I respect where you are coming from and I'm not telling you that you're wrong, but the public at large doesn't have the education you have, or the time to learn all of the models and formulae which explain the universe. Maybe in 200 years what you know will be common knowledge and maybe perceptions will change. On the other hand, maybe they won't. I don't understand why it's necessary for anyone, whether they be theist or atheist, to need to justify their existence.

The basic problem at work here is that people can't leave each other alone. I think it has little to do with the philosophy, but the political history and who controls the dominant schools of knowledge. I don't see why multiple schools that contradict each other can't just co-exist peacefully. People need to release their egotistical attachments and just live their lives.

 

[jallman]

The Catholic leadership may, but they are also against contraception, and how many Catholics use that? Instead of assuming what somebody believes why don't you ask them what they believe?

Because that would be too much like open and honest debate.

 

[Aunt Spiker]

I don't believe in the Big Bang Theory.

But I'm always very curious as to how all matter in that tiny little spec came to be.

 

[Your Star]

But I'm always very curious as to how all matter in that tiny little spec came to be.

Thats what I've never understood. If matter can't be created, nor destroyed, who created matter in the first place?

 

[Coronado]

You don't have to like his opinion. But alot out there want to know what it is.

That's special. My opinion is that his opinion sucks.

 

[Coronado]

I don't see why people get so offended when the man expresses his opinion. If a christian physicist comes out and expresses his idea of god, hes a good fellow. If an atheist physicist comes out and expresses his opinions concerning atheism, he's going to hell and he's a bad bad man.

Who here said that?

 

[Coronado]

It's odd to watch people debate all day that science can't disprove the existence of a god. Then when a scientist proposes a theory making the idea of gods irrelevant, their response is 'Well that's just his opinion'. More proof that at the end of the day the religious aren't really interested in debating anything. How else are you supposed to describe such openly dishonest tactics? I would be the first person to welcome any religious person willing to debate the ideas put forth by Hawkings'. Until then I guess I'll have to read the endless posts by people saying it's just an opinion by a guy who's entire career revolves around finding proof to back up his statements.

You don't have to read anything. See that red "X" up there on the right?

 

[Aunt Spiker]

Thats what I've never understood. If matter can't be created, nor destroyed, who created matter in the first place?

It gives me a headache!

 

[Redress]

Because that would be too much like open and honest debate.

You have to stop agreeing with all these liberals. People will start to think we have converted you.

 

[Naburus]

See what I mean? Hatuey immediately defaulted to the most opportunistic and irrelevant attack he possibly could. Mouthfoaming bile spewed by a mouthfoaming atheist zealot.

God I love it when I am right.

I'm pretty sure I did not result to an opportunistic attack, but all you had to say that, to paraphrase, was "Whew, I'm glad you stopped talking" as if everything I said was worthless and irrelevant.

 

[Naburus]

The Catholic leadership may, but they are also against contraception, and how many Catholics use that? Instead of assuming what somebody believes why don't you ask them what they believe?

You can't be an actual catholic if you use contraception and condone homosexuality. As far as I'm aware. I believe you would have to call yourself something else, not sure what that is though, someone please let me know if you can.

 

[Aunt Spiker]

You can't be an actual catholic if you use contraception and condone homosexuality. As far as I'm aware. I believe you would have to call yourself something else, not sure what that is though, someone please let me know if you can.

Because Emperor Constantine said so.

 

[jallman]

You can't be an actual catholic if you use contraception and condone homosexuality. As far as I'm aware. I believe you would have to call yourself something else, not sure what that is though, someone please let me know if you can.

That's not true. It simply means you disagree with the Church edicts, but it does not mean you are not a Catholic. By your logic, you can't be a Catholic if you tell a lie, speed in your car, or any number of things that the Church has decreed are wrong.

Being a Catholic does not exempt one from having personal opinions.

 

[Your Star]

It gives me a headache!

This is why I think that when we can link General Relativity, and Sub-Atomic theory, it will be the greatest discovery in human history.

Of course thats assuming there is a link, damn this crap is confusing.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Thats what I've never understood. If matter can't be created, nor destroyed, who created matter in the first place?

Its all vibrating strings :2razz:

 

[Harshaw]

I don't see why people get so offended when the man expresses his opinion.

Who was offended?

 

[Harshaw]

This is why I think that when we can link General Relativity, and Sub-Atomic theory, it will be the greatest discovery in human history.

Of course thats assuming there is a link, damn this crap is confusing.

If there is, and the link is discovered, then what?

 

[Your Star]

If there is, and the link is discovered, then what?

It will basically mean that we understand how the universe works. From the smallest atom, to the largest galaxy. It could very well be the "God equation", and we could look into the face of God so to speak.