Get A Damn Job!

[poweRob]

Your lack of economic knowledge is stunning. You've demonstrated profound misunderstand of basic economics.

Cop-out projection from someone who thinks an economy is based on the working class felating the rich.

 

[Bullseye]

Cop-out projection from someone who thinks an economy is based on the working class felating the rich.

Stupid post from a master of the art.

 

[bave]

Mostly low end shit jobs nobody wants to work... Hence, the problem filling shit jobs... Do you ever actually look at the job data?

Why is that do you think?

There is a huge number of unskilled labor jobs in a market that doesn't have a high demand for unskilled labor. That's not the fault of the economy, that's the issue with the individual. If you don't want to work for $14/hr, then makes yourself worth more than $14/hr.

 

[KevinKohler]

And your point would be?

That SOMETHING Biden has done has caused our economy to boom like I've personally never seen before.

 

[Bullseye]

That SOMETHING Biden has done has caused our economy to boom like I've personally never seen before.

"What he's "done" is (so far) not screwed up the dynamic economy Trump left him. "Like you've never seen before"? Try looking back past January 20 of this year. Look back to January 20 of 2017, THAT'S when this economy began and grew so strong even a pandemic turn out to be a bump in the road that was quickly overcome.

 

[poweRob]

"What he's "done" is (so far) not screwed up the dynamic economy Trump left him. "Like you've never seen before"? Try looking back past January 20 of this year. Look back to January 20 of 2017, THAT'S when this economy began and grew so strong even a pandemic turn out to be a bump in the road that was quickly overcome.

Now I KNOW you are just trolling.

 

[KevinKohler]

"What he's "done" is (so far) not screwed up the dynamic economy Trump left him. "Like you've never seen before"? Try looking back past January 20 of this year. Look back to January 20 of 2017, THAT'S when this economy began and grew so strong even a pandemic turn out to be a bump in the road that was quickly overcome.

Retail sales far exceed 2017 numbers.

 

[bluesmoke]

I have provided FRB, IRS, and BLS links to support the statistics, you just can't comprehend them properly. Your inability is not my problem.



For all these tropes, the median household income in the US has increased in real terms over the last 40 years since it was tracked. It is the highest among major developed nations. The most progressive tax code in the world.

You complain about greed and all I see from you is envy and ignorance, just like my boy Bluesmoke here.

Cite, specifically, what in you linked that supports what you say. What is so meaningful that median wages have continued to climb when so many people are not making a living wage?

 

[bave]

Cite, specifically, what in you linked that supports what you say. What is so meaningful that median wages have continued to climb when so many people are not making a living wage?

What specific assertion which I made are you refuting?

The fact that real median wages, and especially real median household incomes, have grown over the last forty years indicates that the situation has improved for the median individual/household. That is a pretty strong indicator that living conditions (ie: living wages) has not become worse, but in fact has improved. If you would like to refute that, how about you make a cogent rebuttal and supporting data sources.

 

[bluesmoke]

What specific assertion which I made are you refuting?

The fact that real median wages, and especially real median household incomes, have grown over the last forty years indicates that the situation has improved for the median individual/household. That is a pretty strong indicator that living conditions (ie: living wages) has not become worse, but in fact has improved. If you would like to refute that, how about you make a cogent rebuttal and supporting data sources.

That median hshld wage has increased does not automatically translate to an improvement when so many people still struggle to put food on the table, clothes on their backs, and a roof over their heads. Most importantly, it is certainly not equitable (fair) when those making less get further and further apart in the wealth gap. Such are facts frequently published and communicated in the media you should know, like that a triangle has 3 sides, without being provided with what should be common knowledge to at least those whom debate the subject. Except for Republican recessions, real net worth goes up every yr. But most people are getting the crumbs from the empty pie pan while the rich and large corps get the whole pie.

 

[Lloyd Christmas]

The lefty media's lies never end and they don't even realize how stupid they sound. Here's an article about how Republican Governors cutting off extra federal unemployment benefits aren't really getting these people to go out looking for jobs. BUT these poor people are hurting and can't pay their bills now and are having trouble affording food and other basic living necessities, with just about all employers looking for workers. Well, no duh! Get A Damn Job! The left want to let them keep not working even when jobs are available and pay them enough money to live on.

How GOP governors are hurting their own citizens

Republican governors axing federal jobless benefits have ignored legitimate hardships in their states as millions of displaced workers try to get back on their feet.

www.yahoo.com

Project all you want, nothing more stupid than right wing nonsense. And you can't even make an argument, you just post an article and make dumb comments.

You adn the rest of the right aren't fooling anybody by calling the left dumb when you people have no facts, no logic, no arguments to support your proven wrong positions,

republicans constantly **** with their workers. they fight livable wages, min wage, workers' rights, longer maternity and paternity leave. fight healthcare, fight anything that prevents a corporations from making max profits.

Republicans only care about one thing, how much profit can corporations get and how can it benefit me while I own stocks while setting policy to influence those stocks. And I'm sure there are dems that are the same. Except,t eh Dem voting base doesn't want that, republicans worship the greedy and the corrupt of the republican party and are such morons they buy the fox nonsense and project that's its relaly liberals causing the problems.

Why is it that to motivate the rich, righties want to give them more, but to motivate the poor, righties want to take more?

And don't make an argument for trickle-down. Trickle-down is a hoax.

Because everything they believe is crap and all they do is project. They have been pushing the same dumb talking poitns not supported by any facts for as long as I've been into politics 21 years now

 

[Lloyd Christmas]

Weird how supply and demand are so goddamned important until the market forces start driving wages up. Suddenly you think the idea is absurd.

The enhanced unemployment is having little to no effect on people choosing to return to work or not.

Places offering $15/hour are having no trouble filling positions.

it's not, everything they spout here is just what Fox tells them to believe, who do the bidding for the rich assholes. Who, even with all they have, still want more and still influence politics and **** over people, and for what? They already have more money than they could possible ever use.

Also, everything they believe is contradictory, because they don't actually believe anything, they just spout right wing media garbage. They also don't care about supply and demand with their moronic blaming Biden for price increases due to supply and demand issues.

All this shows is what pitiful pay so many people are getting for their work. What is so wrong with paying people a living wage? Why, exactly, are conservative against paying people a living wage? What, don't be a lazy *****-cat and go get a 2nd job? What is your problem?

they don't even know , they don't think, they just repeat what Fox news tells them. And they can never back up their position with actual arguments and facts, which is why they continually get embarrassed by the stupidity they put forth

 

[bave]

That median hshld wage has increased does not automatically translate to an improvement when so many people still struggle to put food on the table, clothes on their backs, and a roof over their heads. Most importantly, it is certainly not equitable (fair) when those making less get further and further apart in the wealth gap. Such are facts frequently published and communicated in the media you should know, like that a triangle has 3 sides, without being provided with what should be common knowledge to at least those whom debate the subject. Except for Republican recessions, real net worth goes up every yr. But most people are getting the crumbs from the empty pie pan while the rich and large corps get the whole pie.

Do you even understand the numbers? Median household income literally means that in real terms they have more money than they did before, ie: their economic situation by definition improved.

Life isn't equitable, only children cry about life being unfair.

 

[bluesmoke]

Project all you want, nothing more stupid than right wing nonsense. And you can't even make an argument, you just post an article and make dumb comments.

You adn the rest of the right aren't fooling anybody by calling the left dumb when you people have no facts, no logic, no arguments to support your proven wrong positions,

republicans constantly **** with their workers. they fight livable wages, min wage, workers' rights, longer maternity and paternity leave. fight healthcare, fight anything that prevents a corporations from making max profits.

Republicans only care about one thing, how much profit can corporations get and how can it benefit me while I own stocks while setting policy to influence those stocks. And I'm sure there are dems that are the same. Except,t eh Dem voting base doesn't want that, republicans worship the greedy and the corrupt of the republican party and are such morons they buy the fox nonsense and project that's its relaly liberals causing the problems.



Because everything they believe is crap and all they do is project. They have been pushing the same dumb talking poitns not supported by any facts for as long as I've been into politics 21 years now

So, how's the Reps same dumb talking points, not supported by any facts, no logic, no arguments and being proven wrong all the time working for them? How good of a job are the Dems doing in messaging a response?

 

[HangLow]

Project all you want, nothing more stupid than right wing nonsense. And you can't even make an argument, you just post an article and make dumb comments.

You adn the rest of the right aren't fooling anybody by calling the left dumb when you people have no facts, no logic, no arguments to support your proven wrong positions,

republicans constantly **** with their workers. they fight livable wages, min wage, workers' rights, longer maternity and paternity leave. fight healthcare, fight anything that prevents a corporations from making max profits.

Republicans only care about one thing, how much profit can corporations get and how can it benefit me while I own stocks while setting policy to influence those stocks. And I'm sure there are dems that are the same. Except,t eh Dem voting base doesn't want that, republicans worship the greedy and the corrupt of the republican party and are such morons they buy the fox nonsense and project that's its relaly liberals causing the problems.



Because everything they believe is crap and all they do is project. They have been pushing the same dumb talking poitns not supported by any facts for as long as I've been into politics 21 years now

 

[bluesmoke]

Which party controls the narrative with the public on this issue? Which party the legislation? IMO, Reps control both. Just a note, quite a few large corps are going to $15/hr.

 

[eohrnberger]

Which party controls the narrative with the public on this issue? Which party the legislation? IMO, Reps control both. Just a note, quite a few large corps are going to $15/hr.

Quite true. Burger King is advertising $17/hr, and I've noticed such a spike in fast food prices that we are choosing that option less often.

For the longest time, many have said that bumping compensation for no knowledge, no skill jobs to $15/hr is going to result in price hikes and inflation.
Well, now we have inflation.
Sure, some of the inflation is attributable to COVID and supply chain issues, just as some of inflation is attributable this increased labor cost.

 

[bluesmoke]

Do you even understand the numbers? Median household income literally means that in real terms they have more money than they did before, ie: their economic situation by definition improved.

Life isn't equitable, only children cry about life being unfair.

Income allows a family to get by; wealth allows a family to get ahead.

The increase in real median hshld income and hourly wages hasn't been enough for an appreciable improved position in wealth for half of Americans. The top 1% went up from 28.8% of the wealth in 3Q2006 to 32.3% in 2Q2021, an increase of 3.5% share of total wealth. The bottom 50% went up from 2.16% to 2.26%, a whopping increase of 0.1%.

Half of Americans are getting the crumbs from the wealth pie. They are not getting their fair share, which you explain away with your social Darwinist belief: Those with the most money are best able to survive and thrive. The rest be damned.

 

[bave]

Income allows a family to get by; wealth allows a family to get ahead.

The increase in real median hshld income and hourly wages hasn't been enough for an appreciable improved position in wealth for half of Americans. The top 1% went up from 28.8% of the wealth in 3Q2006 to 32.3% in 2Q2021, an increase of 3.5% share of total wealth. The bottom 50% went up from 2.16% to 2.26%, a whopping increase of 0.1%.

Half of Americans are getting the crumbs from the wealth pie. They are not getting their fair share, which you explain away with your social Darwinist belief: Those with the most money are best able to survive and thrive. The rest be damned.

You can't force someone to be wise with their money. My point is that median households today are in far better shape income speaking. Their gross income is higher, their taxes lower, and their government cheese deliveries far higher. If they can't turn that into an improved wealth position then it speaks to household mismanagement, nothing more.

The disparity in wealth increase is because of investment performance and global market growth, not because of the lower and middle class being in a worse position. All data points to the middle income being in a far superior position than they wer ein forty years ago.

There is, and never will be, a fair share distribution of wealth. The rich in this country already pay a disproportionate amount of taxes by any metric. The clowns are never sated though and constantly chirp about statistics and metrics that either don't make sense, are totally inaccurate, and simply taken out of context.

That's why they are poor. If you want to blame someone else fo your poverty and poor financial situation, that probably explains more about your situation than the other guy you are bitching about.

 

[dncc]

Remember back before Covid during the campaign? A hot topic in the Dem primaries was the $15/hr minimum wage. There were a lot of posts like this from conservatives....

But, The CBO predicts 1.3 million Americans would lose their jobs, as managers don’t think they’re worth $15 per hour, or decide to use machines instead of costlier humans.

So for all those wishing to see minimum wage raised to $15 an hour I have a question. As someone who’s skills and abilities are currently valued at 3+ times the current minimum wage should the law also require my wages increase by the same margin continuing to be 3+ times the $15 minimum or should the value of my skills and abilities be devalued?

Strange how in a time when we have elevated inflation that costs (for example) burger joint owners a lot because--unlike consumers--they can't decide to simply not buy hamburger buns that they can also afford to pay their employees $15 an hour to start all of the sudden.

 

[bave]

Remember back before Covid during the campaign? A hot topic in the Dem primaries was the $15/hr minimum wage. There were a lot of posts like this from conservatives....





Strange how in a time when we have elevated inflation that costs (for example) burger joint owners a lot because--unlike consumers--they can't decide to simply not buy hamburger buns that they can also afford to pay their employees $15 an hour to start all of the sudden.

Not a particularly great argument honestly.

Employers don't respond to wage spikes quickly, but rather in a sustained manner. It takes years for production methods and locations to change and shift, the problem is once it starts it is almost impossible to start. Secondarily to this is the fact that these new costs are passed on to the consumer in the form of higher prices, leading to higher inflation. Thankfully, for Biden, inflation figures often ignore the price of food and energy.

Groceries for me are up ~20% in the last year, energy ~40%, you?

 

[gino]

In my little town (a very low-paying part of the US), even McDonalds had to hire at $12 an hour (up from $10) just to get workers. I don't know what world you guys live in, but in my world, inflation has gone crazy. And the mom and pop food joints are starting to shut down. Guys, economically, I'm seeing a lot of scary things going on in the US. Get ready, I think we are going to be going on a very exciting ride very soon...

 

[dncc]

Not a particularly great argument honestly.

Employers don't respond to wage spikes quickly, but rather in a sustained manner. It takes years for production methods and locations to change and shift, the problem is once it starts it is almost impossible to start. Secondarily to this is the fact that these new costs are passed on to the consumer in the form of higher prices, leading to higher inflation. Thankfully, for Biden, inflation figures often ignore the price of food and energy.

Groceries for me are up ~20% in the last year, energy ~40%, you?

I live a bit of a different life than most I think so I keep my costs low. I have noticed food prices going up a little. Restaurant prices are going up a lot--I have taken to using a lot of coupons when I go; usually getting BOGOs and splitting them into two meals (one to take home). So my response was that I stopped eating out.

Here's my argument.

If prices were flat for your raw materials and you say you couldn't pay higher wages because it would sink you....how in the F*** are you paying higher wages at the same time your raw materials are going up? Elevated prices to your customers or accepting a lower profit margin seem to be the only two remedies. In the case of the former, you see that but you'd also see that in GDP growth on the macro one would think as economic activity increases as we come out of the locdowns.. It was 2% last quarter after being 6+% the quarter before.

I'm of the opinion that there were a lot of shop owners who were (and are) crying "victim" when they aren't really hurting that much.

Case in point:

A Florida man applied for 60 entry-level jobs in a month to prove the so-called 'labor shortage' is a myth

In a bit of pushback to the all-around lie that people don't want to work anymore, a Florida man applied for more than 60 entry-level...

www.orlandoweekly.com

 

[bave]

I live a bit of a different life than most I think so I keep my costs low. I have noticed food prices going up a little. Restaurant prices are going up a lot--I have taken to using a lot of coupons when I go; usually getting BOGOs and splitting them into two meals (one to take home). So my response was that I stopped eating out.

Here's my argument.

If prices were flat for your raw materials and you say you couldn't pay higher wages because it would sink you....how in the F*** are you paying higher wages at the same time your raw materials are going up? Elevated prices to your customers or accepting a lower profit margin seem to be the only two remedies. In the case of the former, you see that but you'd also see that in GDP growth on the macro one would think as economic activity increases as we come out of the locdowns.. It was 2% last quarter after being 6+% the quarter before.

I'm of the opinion that there were a lot of shop owners who were (and are) crying "victim" when they aren't really hurting that much.

Case in point:

A Florida man applied for 60 entry-level jobs in a month to prove the so-called 'labor shortage' is a myth

In a bit of pushback to the all-around lie that people don't want to work anymore, a Florida man applied for more than 60 entry-level...

www.orlandoweekly.com

Going up a little? Almost everything I buy food-wise is up 10%, a lot of things 20%. This is for basic staples like meat, produce, fruits, etc. Restaurant prices are up about the same for me (Nashville area). Gasoline is up from ~1.50/gal a year ago to almost $3.50/gal now. Electricity prices are going up month by month. Hell, my neighbor owns ~900 apartments in the area and just raised rent on *all* of them by 18-22%.

The problem with your argument is that you are taking it in a vaccuum. If an individual business had to eat material/labor prices but their competitors didn't it would crush them. Now, they are all getting hit, which is being passed along 90% to consumers, which you just admitted above that has changed your behavior and reduced in your consumption. What happens if prices rise another 20% and another 30% of consumers do what you did? That's the point. GDP numbers are published quarterly on an annualized rate and declining rapidly because of global inflation pressures. Moreover, if GDP growth is 5% but inflation is 5%, real GDP growth is zero.

I employee a large number of people. The labor force is a joke right now. I can't get unskilled receptionist who will reliably come to work, pass a drug and criminal background check, for less than $17/hr to sit in an office and ask a few basic questions. People don't want to work, they have told my managers as much in interviews. They want to work from home, part time, but get paid full time. Every business owner I speak to in dozens of states is saying the same thing.

JoeCommonMan now looks at the economy as a disaster brought up on leftist policies that they are trying to double and triple down on.

 

[dncc]

Going up a little? Almost everything I buy food-wise is up 10%, a lot of things 20%. This is for basic staples like meat, produce, fruits, etc. Restaurant prices are up about the same for me (Nashville area). Gasoline is up from ~1.50/gal a year ago to almost $3.50/gal now. Electricity prices are going up month by month. Hell, my neighbor owns ~900 apartments in the area and just raised rent on *all* of them by 18-22%.

Just anecdotally...

I bought gas at $2.83 yesterday; Beltway 8 and Westheimer in Houston.

I'm literally about to sign a lease for the same amount as my last lease.

The problem with your argument is that you are taking it in a vaccuum. If an individual business had to eat material/labor prices but their competitors didn't it would crush them. Now, they are all getting hit, which is being passed along 90% to consumers, which you just admitted above that has changed your behavior and reduced in your consumption. What happens if prices rise another 20% and another 30% of consumers do what you did? That's the point. GDP numbers are published quarterly on an annualized rate and declining rapidly because of global inflation pressures. Moreover, if GDP growth is 5% but inflation is 5%, real GDP growth is zero.

Well it was reported as being up 6% 2 quarters ago, and 2% this past quarter.

I employee a large number of people. The labor force is a joke right now. I can't get unskilled receptionist who will reliably come to work, pass a drug and criminal background check, for less than $17/hr to sit in an office and ask a few basic questions. People don't want to work, they have told my managers as much in interviews. They want to work from home, part time, but get paid full time. Every business owner I speak to in dozens of states is saying the same thing.

Well, supposedly a guy in Florida tried 60 different companies and got one callback. I'll take your word for it though. Where I work, we've hired 3 people this year in my department and we have new guys all the time in other departments. I work in corrections so hiring is always iffy...

But really...do you think this just happened? I mean...who did you hire 2 years ago? Did they want to work? What do you think has changed?

JoeCommonMan now looks at the economy as a disaster brought up on leftist policies that they are trying to double and triple down on.

Nonsense.