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Germany in the time of the Holy Roman Empire - and Germany today

PoS said:
Thats like saying there were French in Gaul during the Roman age.
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No


but a Germania existed in roman times

not as a country, but as a region
 
Rumpel said:
No


but a Germania existed in roman times

not as a country, but as a region
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Incorrect. The term German was used generically by the Romans to describe any barbarian from that part of the world. Germany only came about in the 19th century.
 
what was the full title of the holy roman empire?



OF THE GERMAN NATION!!!!
 
you may believe what you want, of course
 
no need to quarrel about names.
 
so in 1871 some state had been founded. … under the name Deutsches Reich.

But there had been a Deutschland long before
 
Rumpel said:
once upon a time all german speaking people lived in one and the same country, together with french and italian and polish speaking people, and peacefully

in the times before nationalism ….
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na peacefully.. feuds of lokal earls where usual and from 1618 to 1648 we had the worst war in history (in my opinion) - 30 years of terror in all of the german countries ;)
 
Rumpel said:
now we speak Neuhochdeutsch in Germany
in the Middle Ages it was Mittelhochdeutsch im the South and Mittelniederdeutsch in the North

and there was no doubt that those who spoke the language also felt as Germans …… even if there was no country called Deutschland then
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fun fact: high German developed from "Mittelhochdeutsch" (southern language mostly swabian origin) but tody most northerners speak high German and a lot of southernes dialect ;) - blame the prussians ;)
 
Rumpel said:
can we also talk about the expulsion of the germans from many countries after 1945 here in this thread?
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What about it would you like to talk about?
 
Rumpel said:
about the cruelty of it all
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It always cruel to force people to leave their homes, remember that.

After WW2 the thinking was that removing Germans from eastern Europe would ensure Germany would never again revive territorial claims on these countries, and also that Poles (that needed to resettle people), Czechs, Slovenians etc. were not really happy with the idea of large German communities among them after what the Nazis did. Was it still incredibly cruel? Yes. Can it be compared to what the Nazis did? No.
 
joluoto said:
It always cruel to force people to leave their homes, remember that.

After WW2 the thinking was that removing Germans from eastern Europe would ensure Germany would never again revive territorial claims on these countries, and also that Poles (that needed to resettle people), Czechs, Slovenians etc. were not really happy with the idea of large German communities among them after what the Nazis did. Was it still incredibly cruel? Yes. Can it be compared to what the Nazis did? No.
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Rumpel said:
about the cruelty of it all
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Given how intermixing of German peoples into Eastern Europe contributed to two world wars, I'd say it wasn't a bad idea.
 
Juin said:
Brings up a good question, has the rise of nationalism been a good thing or a bad thing?
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in most cases it has been a terrible thing. :(
 
Rumpel said:
again …. that was just a greater prussia, that had usurped the name germany.


then the austrians felt as gerrman as the bavarians do
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Prussians did not refer to themselves as Germans.
 
PoS said:
Prussians did not refer to themselves as Germans.
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of course they did …..



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