George Zimmerman's attorneys withdraw from Trayvon Martin case

[Excon]

I know that everyone says that. But if you aren't hiding anything, what could possibly be wrong with it?

Watch the vid.

They are not out to clear your name.

 

[poweRob]

I know that everyone says that. But if you aren't hiding anything, what could possibly be wrong with it?

Well I'd say you'd risk a grapevine distortion effect. If you are spilling to any and everyone the message can get messed up pretty badly. Kind of like how in a presidential race, they hold their cards for as long as possible because if you start laying out your plans your opposition won't lay his out and just attack you for the plans you laid out.

 

[Kreton]

Watch the vid.

They are not out to clear your name.

Its 48 minutes long. i leave work in 17 minutes. maybe tomorrow.

 

[SheWolf]

Reasonable doubt is all they need. And two witnesses and injuries provide that. That provides reasonable doubt for a murder case.

Manslaughter might be another story. I think that manslaughter could fly because they then only have to prove that Zimmerman used excessive force. The eye witnesses and injuries would not excuse that.

And a bunch of other witness accounts don't match Zimmerman's story. For somebody with such a strong opinion on this case, you don't have all the info and you're too stubborn to see that.

 

[Excon]

Its 48 minutes long. i leave work in 17 minutes. maybe tomorrow.

That is fine. It will be worth your time.

 

[Excon]

And a bunch of other witness accounts don't match Zimmerman's story. For somebody with such a strong opinion on this case, you don't have all the info and you're too stubborn to see that.

That really isn't true.
And it isn't a bunch.
Ear-witnesses actually do not contradict Zimmerman's story.
They just believe they heard a younger person scream.
So all you have is ear-witnesses hearing a scream.
The eye-witness confirms it was Zimmerman.

 

[poweRob]

That really isn't true.
And it isn't a bunch.
Ear-witnesses actually do not contradict Zimmerman's story.
They just believe they heard a younger person scream.
So all you have is ear-witnesses hearing a scream.
The eye-witness confirms it was Zimmerman.

I want to see these witness testimonies under oath. Clear it all right up.

 

[Kreton]

And a bunch of other witness accounts don't match Zimmerman's story. For somebody with such a strong opinion on this case, you don't have all the info and you're too stubborn to see that.

There are a couple things here. First off, which eye witness are you referring to? I'd like to see it. I have asked you for it a couple times but i think you miss my messages. These trayvon thread do move quickly.

Secondly. If you have two eye witnesses to an event. One backs the version of the defense. One negates it. The only thing you have is uncertaintly. And if a jury is not certain about what happened do you know what they are legally bound to do is?

 

[Excon]

I want to see these witness testimonies under oath. Clear it all right up.

If there is a trial I suppose you will get the under oath part.
Other than that, listen to the 911 calls.

 

[Excon]

Its 48 minutes long. i leave work in 17 minutes. maybe tomorrow.

It really will be worth your time.

And when you are done with that... watch My Cousin Vinny. :2razz:

 

[poweRob]

It really will be worth your time.

And when you are done with that... watch My Cousin Vinny. :2razz:

The two yoots...

 

[Excon]

The two yoots...

Yeah... I'm not cut that way. lol
I prefer Marisa.

Or maybe I am cut that way and prefer Mr. Gwynne.

 

[amph]

I sort of thought about what could have happened under different scenarios and think with the way things are in that area and even in N.Y. There are several possibilities with G. Zim, consider if:

1. He is black and kills a black; would he have been arrested? YES. (regardless of stand your ground)
2. He is black and killed a white; would he have been arrested? YES. (definitely)
3. He is white and kills a white, would he have been arrested? YES. (regardless of stand your ground)
4. He is white and kills a black, ; would he have been arrested? no (regardless of stand your ground and/or with it)
5. He is black and kills any other race/ethnicity, would he have been arrested? YES (regardless of stand your ground)
6. He is white and kills any other ethnicity,would he have been arrested? maybe- it depends – (with stand your ground (NO))
7. There is one more; he is the same race/ethnicity and he kills;would he have been arrested? it depends on the race/ethnicity of the respondents and quite possibly their views. If that is the case it could be yes or no, where do the first, second, tertiary responders stand … Truth, Justice, or whatever someone else, them or they, want to believe in the face of evidence that until this age would not have been available.

Is/are there more possibilities that are possibly amicable to Zim?

 

[SheWolf]

That really isn't true.
And it isn't a bunch.
Ear-witnesses actually do not contradict Zimmerman's story.
They just believe they heard a younger person scream.
So all you have is ear-witnesses hearing a scream.
The eye-witness confirms it was Zimmerman.

One man interviewed by a local Fox news station, who asked to be identified only as John, said he saw the man wearing a red jacket — Zimmerman — on the ground, being beaten by someone on top of him — Trayvon.

“The guy on the bottom, who I believe had a red sweater on, was yelling to me ‘Help, help,’ and I told him to stop and I was calling 911. I got upstairs and looked down, the person that was on top beating up the other guy was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point,” he said.

But last week another unidentified man told CNN that he saw a larger man on top and a boy underneath. There wasn’t much movement, he said.

Zimmerman’s father told the Orlando TV station that as his son was being beaten he tried to move from the concrete onto the grass. In doing so, he said, the gun his son kept in a holster on his waist was exposed.

“Trayvon Martin said something to the effect of ‘You’re going to die now’ or ‘You’re gonna die tonight’ — something to that effect,” Robert Zimmerman said. “He continued to beat George. At some point, George pulled his pistol and did what he did.”

Seven calls came in to 911.

“They’re wrestling right in the back of my porch,” one caller said. “A guy is yelling, ‘Help.’…. I’m pretty sure the guy is dead.”

“I saw a man lying on the ground and he needed help, screaming,” one 13-year-old boy told 911. “I heard a loud sound, and the screaming stopped.”

Selma Mora Lamilla heard no fighting, only what she says was the wail of a child and the distinct crack of gunfire that silenced it. She ran outside her back porch, where she said she saw Zimmerman standing above Trayvon, apparently holding him down.

“I asked him, “What’s happening here? What’s going on?” Mora said. “The third time, I was indignant, and he said, ‘Just call the police.’ Then I saw him with his hands over his head in the universal sign of: ‘Oh man, I messed up.’ ”

Read more here: What is known, what isn’t about Trayvon Martin’s death - Trayvon Martin - MiamiHerald.com

 

[Excon]

One man interviewed by a local Fox news station, who asked to be identified only as John, said he saw the man wearing a red jacket — Zimmerman — on the ground, being beaten by someone on top of him — Trayvon.

“The guy on the bottom, who I believe had a red sweater on, was yelling to me ‘Help, help,’ and I told him to stop and I was calling 911. I got upstairs and looked down, the person that was on top beating up the other guy was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point,” he said.

But last week another unidentified man told CNN that he saw a larger man on top and a boy underneath. There wasn’t much movement, he said.

Zimmerman’s father told the Orlando TV station that as his son was being beaten he tried to move from the concrete onto the grass. In doing so, he said, the gun his son kept in a holster on his waist was exposed.

“Trayvon Martin said something to the effect of ‘You’re going to die now’ or ‘You’re gonna die tonight’ — something to that effect,” Robert Zimmerman said. “He continued to beat George. At some point, George pulled his pistol and did what he did.”

Seven calls came in to 911.

“They’re wrestling right in the back of my porch,” one caller said. “A guy is yelling, ‘Help.’…. I’m pretty sure the guy is dead.”

“I saw a man lying on the ground and he needed help, screaming,” one 13-year-old boy told 911. “I heard a loud sound, and the screaming stopped.”

Selma Mora Lamilla heard no fighting, only what she says was the wail of a child and the distinct crack of gunfire that silenced it. She ran outside her back porch, where she said she saw Zimmerman standing above Trayvon, apparently holding him down.

“I asked him, “What’s happening here? What’s going on?” Mora said. “The third time, I was indignant, and he said, ‘Just call the police.’ Then I saw him with his hands over his head in the universal sign of: ‘Oh man, I messed up.’ ”

Read more here: What is known, what isn’t about Trayvon Martin’s death - Trayvon Martin - MiamiHerald.com

Great, now all you have to do is separate the eye-witnesses from the ear-witnesses.

Emboldened, go to wiki and listen to the 911 calls.
Shooting of Trayvon Martin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[SheWolf]

There are a couple things here. First off, which eye witness are you referring to? I'd like to see it. I have asked you for it a couple times but i think you miss my messages. These trayvon thread do move quickly.

Secondly. If you have two eye witnesses to an event. One backs the version of the defense. One negates it. The only thing you have is uncertaintly. And if a jury is not certain about what happened do you know what they are legally bound to do is?

One man interviewed by a local Fox news station, who asked to be identified only as John, said he saw the man wearing a red jacket — Zimmerman — on the ground, being beaten by someone on top of him — Trayvon.

“The guy on the bottom, who I believe had a red sweater on, was yelling to me ‘Help, help,’ and I told him to stop and I was calling 911. I got upstairs and looked down, the person that was on top beating up the other guy was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point,” he said.

But last week another unidentified man told CNN that he saw a larger man on top and a boy underneath. There wasn’t much movement, he said.

Zimmerman’s father told the Orlando TV station that as his son was being beaten he tried to move from the concrete onto the grass. In doing so, he said, the gun his son kept in a holster on his waist was exposed.

“Trayvon Martin said something to the effect of ‘You’re going to die now’ or ‘You’re gonna die tonight’ — something to that effect,” Robert Zimmerman said. “He continued to beat George. At some point, George pulled his pistol and did what he did.”

Seven calls came in to 911.

“They’re wrestling right in the back of my porch,” one caller said. “A guy is yelling, ‘Help.’…. I’m pretty sure the guy is dead.”

“I saw a man lying on the ground and he needed help, screaming,” one 13-year-old boy told 911. “I heard a loud sound, and the screaming stopped.”

Selma Mora Lamilla heard no fighting, only what she says was the wail of a child and the distinct crack of gunfire that silenced it. She ran outside her back porch, where she said she saw Zimmerman standing above Trayvon, apparently holding him down.

“I asked him, “What’s happening here? What’s going on?” Mora said. “The third time, I was indignant, and he said, ‘Just call the police.’ Then I saw him with his hands over his head in the universal sign of: ‘Oh man, I messed up.’ ”

Read more here: What is known, what isn’t about Trayvon Martin’s death - Trayvon Martin - MiamiHerald.com

And the 13 year old later recanted his story, because his mom said the cops influenced his account... Eye witness accounts are weak because of that. It's not solid evidence.

 

[SheWolf]

Great, now all you have to do is separate the eye-witnesses from the ear-witnesses, and then see which eye-witness was closer.

I like how you think all the witnesses who don't fit your version of the story should automatically be dismissed. We all know that that is not going to happen in a court room. And you also missed the second eye witness that claimed Zimmerman was ontop of Trayvon.

 

[Excon]

I like how you think all the witnesses who don't fit your version of the story should automatically be dismissed. We all know that that is not going to happen in a court room. And you also missed the second eye witness that claimed Zimmerman was ontop of Trayvon.

WTH?
You really think an ear-witness is more reliable as to who screamed then an eye-witness?
If you do, you are grasping.

I also edited the previous post to the following:

Great, now all you have to do is separate the eye-witnesses from the ear-witnesses.

Emboldened, go to wiki and listen to the 911 calls.
Shooting of Trayvon Martin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia​

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[SheWolf]

We don't have all the evidence and the autopsy hasn't been released yet. One eye witness says Zimmerman was ontop of Trayvon, and another says Zimmerman was holding Trayvon down after she heard the shot. For all we know, the gun could have been fired at a greater distance than Trayvon's arm length. The bullet could have went through the back of his head, through the front, through his heart.

We simply don't have all the evidence, and the people taking Zimmerman's side and making racial comments are just as bad as the people saying this is just a hate crime.

 

[SheWolf]

WTH?
You really think an ear-witness is more reliable as to who screamed then an eye-witness?
If you do, you are grasping.

I also edited the previous post to the following:
[/INDENT]

None of them are reliable. One eye witness account conflicts with the other, and the 13 year old boy already recanted his statement because his mother said the police influenced his account. Eyewitnesses are not reliable in any courtroom, and that's a pretty well know fact among people working in law.

 

[poweRob]

We don't have all the evidence and the autopsy hasn't been released yet. One eye witness says Zimmerman was ontop of Trayvon, and another says Zimmerman was holding Trayvon down after she heard the shot. For all we know, the gun could have been fired at a greater distance than Trayvon's arm length. The bullet could have went through the back of his head, through the front, through his heart.

We simply don't have all the evidence, and the people taking Zimmerman's side and making racial comments are just as bad as the people saying this is just a hate crime.

I approve this message.

 

[Excon]

We don't have all the evidence and the autopsy hasn't been released yet. One eye witness says Zimmerman was ontop of Trayvon, and another says Zimmerman was holding Trayvon down after she heard the shot. For all we know, the gun could have been fired at a greater distance than Trayvon's arm length. The bullet could have went through the back of his head, through the front, through his heart.

We simply don't have all the evidence, and the people taking Zimmerman's side and making racial comments are just as bad as the people saying this is just a hate crime.

lol
No... we know he was shot in the chest. That was reported.
The ladies stated that his hand was on Trayvon's back. Holding him down was obviously an inaccurate description if it was even said.


You might be checking to see if the guy you shot is still alive, but there is no reason to hold a guy down who isn't moving.

 

[Excon]

None of them are reliable. One eye witness account conflicts with the other, and the 13 year old boy already recanted his statement because his mother said the police influenced his account.

That is not true. They do not conflict.
Link to the boy recanting please.
Because the mother can not recant for him.
What he said is still evidence.

Eyewitnesses are not reliable in any courtroom, and that's a pretty well know fact among people working in law.

lol
Yes. The unreliable ones are the ones claiming something they didn't see. That should be evidently clear.
You know - the ear-witnesses.

The eye-witnesses saw the color of the clothing. If they had been unreliable they wouldn't have gotten that right.

 

[SheWolf]

lol
No... we know he was shot in the chest. That was reported.
The ladies stated that his hand was on Trayvon's back. Holding him down was obviously an inaccurate description if it was even said.


You might be checking to see if the guy you shot is still alive, but there is no reason to hold a guy down who isn't moving.

I have heard some people speculating that he was shot in back of head, and I didn't see the report on him being shot in the chest.

Anyways, how do you the lady's description of Zimmerman holding Martin down is an inaccurate description?

You do know that forensics can look at the gunshot and the gun, and determine how each person was position and where they were when the shot was fired, right?

I'll trust that report before I just trust Zimmerman's account without question or hesitation.

 

[jgarden47]

George Zimmerman’s attorneys withdraw as his legal representatives

..... These revelations make the case even more of a circus, and may cause prosecutors to seek an arrest warrant more quickly to keep Zimmerman from leaving the country.

If Zimmerman disappears or skips the country, the Florida authorities had better have their letters of resignation filled out in triplicate!