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Gender Pronouns

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There aren't any scientific advances which say a person born a biological male is actually a female or vice versa.
No science says that. Humans born with male sex organs are biologically male, just as humans born with with female sex organs are biologically female. That's the easy part. Once the brain gets involved, the easy part goes out the window.
 
This will be the second time I'm asking.
 
If that person has a female psychological gender identity then you just described someone who is trans female......

You're describing a mental disorder. If one is born a biological male, but believes that he's actually a female, that person would be suffering from delusions. A detachment from reality.
 
You're asking a question which isn't relative to the actual subject here. That's why it's being ignored
The subject is gender pronouns. You think we should refer to people by their birth sex and not their gender identity, and that's there's no valid reason to do otherwise. I disagree. I am asking you what evidence would change your view on this topic. My question seems very relevant to the discussion.
 
You're describing a mental disorder. If one is born a biological male, but believes that he's actually a female, that person would be suffering from delusions. A detachment from reality.
No, it isn't a mental disorder and trans people aren't delusional. The APA rejected those ideas almost 50 years ago. Gender dysphoria is a mental order but that is the adverse effects of the body dysphoria and not the dysphoria itself.

There are gender differences in the brain,


APA, Trans is not a mental disorder,
 
Your question pertaining to what I think of "trans people" and what would change my view is irrelevant
 
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No, it isn't a mental disorder and trans people aren't delusional....

Obviously if someone is born a male, but honestly believes he's a female, he is indeed delusional and detached from reality. Now, why does he think this and how it should be handled is are different issues.


They should be treated differently if one is a child and another suffering from this condition is an adult.
 
Your question pertaining to what I think of "trans people" and what would change my view is irrelevant
It's irrelevant for me, on one side of the debate, to ask you, on the other, after you have dismissed many arguments and evidence, what evidence would convince you that GD is real, there is a distinction between sex and gender, and transitioning is the treatment for GD?

You're being silly. My question very much pertains to the topic at hand.

Here's what I think: You are avoiding the question because nothing could convince you. I could cite a million sources proving you wrong and you'd ignore them: because your position isn't based on facts; it's based on your opinions and feelings.

It's either that, or you're afraid that if you do say what would be sufficient evidence, I would present it to you. But you don't want to have to stick to your guns, you want to weasel your way around providing actual evidence for anything you say.

Are you ready to answer my question? Third time's a charm, right?
 
Again, your question is irrelevant. It's only intended to divert from the actual subject. You can ask it 50 times as far as I'm concerned
 
Repeating that line doesn't mean that it is true. Where is the evidence the trans people are delusional?

Where did you do your formal study of human sexuality?
 
Still, no one has been able to define these new gender pronouns. I'd still like to know the different gender identities they apply to.
 
Repeating that line doesn't mean that it is true. Where is the evidence the trans people are delusional?

Where did you do your formal study of human sexuality?
Continually denying that fact doesn't make you correct either.

Does one need to be an educated expert in human sexuality to know a male is born with a penis and a female is born with a vagina?
 
Continually denying that fact doesn't make you correct either.

Does one need to be an educated expert in human sexuality to know a male is born with a penis and a female is born with a vagina?
Your simplistic idea was bypassed as a medical fact 50 years ago but still, you cling to it. A person's biology is only one part of their sexuality.
 
Your simplistic idea was bypassed as a medical fact 50 years ago but still, you cling to it. A person's biology is only one part of their sexuality.
So, it's your position that it's not a fact that males are born with a penis and females are born with a vagina?
 
So, it's your position that it's not a fact that males are born with a penis and females are born with a vagina?
That is not absolutely true 100% of the time. Trans and binary people exist and might be as much as 5% of the population. There is as much variation in human gender as there is in sexual orientation.
 
That is not absolutely true 100% of the time. Trans and binary people exist and might be as much as 5% of the population. There is as much variation in human gender as there is in sexual orientation.
Ok. You can go on believing a male is not born with a penis and a female is not born with a vagina.
 
That is not absolutely true 100% of the time. Trans and binary people exist and might be as much as 5% of the population. There is as much variation in human gender as there is in sexual orientation.
Wait, what? This can't be a serious response.
 
It's very serious. Why wouldn't it be a serious reply?

Is that a problem for you?
Because your post factually is incorrect and defies basic education learned in elementary school. Males have penises and females have vaginas. Being trans doesn't change your biological sex.

Also, this statement makes absolutely no sense: "Trans and binary people exist and might be as much as 5% of the population."

Trans and binary people make far more than 5% of the population. They account for virtually 100% of the population. But that's irrelevant to your statement that males don't have a penis. That's kind of a defining characteristic of being a human male. You are talking about humans, right? Cause your post is hilariously wrong to the point where this needs to be asked...
 

I never mentioned sexuality. Sexuality is who you attracted to and is irrelevant to the trans debate.

Sex is determined by gametes which is obviously linked to sexual organs.

An animal that produces sperm is male, an animal that produces ova is female. That is literally the scientific definition.

A transwoman may have a different gender identity or feel different, but that does not change their sex.

A transwoman is a male who has a different gender identity than a cis male.
 
Both factually wrong

If male and female isn't based on gametes, how do animal breeders know which animals to pair up? Look up the scientific definition of male and female.
 
If male and female isn't based on gametes, how do animal breeders know which animals to pair up? Look up the scientific definition of male and female.

LIke I said YOUR post, this one below
Again. What makes a person a person is between their ears.
What makes a person male or female is between their legs.

BOTH statements are factually wrong
if you need evidence of that face you are free to read through post 378 based on facts and science
 
LIke I said YOUR post, this one below


BOTH statements are factually wrong
if you need evidence of that face you are free to read through post 378 based on facts and science

Male or female is based on gametes, which are produced between your legs (euphamistically speaking at least), so my statement is not factually wrong.
 
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