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Say what you will, but not many people do nearly as much for their country as he has.
Say what you will, but not many people do nearly as much for their country as he has.
Yes, support the dude for Civillian leadership that dissed the civillian leadership
He is now available for speaking engagements at $10,000 a pop. His website is under construction. You may contribute to his campaign by check, credit card, or Paypal.
That he exercised bad judgment in what resulted in the Rolling Stone piece and failed to establish strong working relationships with key members of the team responsible for Afghanistan does not in any way take away from his considerable accomplishments during his lengthy career in the Army. One should not lose sight of what he did achieve nor the sacrifices he made on behalf of his country.
That he exercised bad judgment in what resulted in the Rolling Stone piece and failed to establish strong working relationships with key members of the team responsible for Afghanistan does not in any way take away from his considerable accomplishments during his lengthy career in the Army. One should not lose sight of what he did achieve nor the sacrifices he made on behalf of his country.
That he exercised bad judgment in what resulted in the Rolling Stone piece and failed to establish strong working relationships with key members of the team responsible for Afghanistan does not in any way take away from his considerable accomplishments during his lengthy career in the Army. One should not lose sight of what he did achieve nor the sacrifices he made on behalf of his country.
hopefully this line of thought will be remembered when he pulls a Shinseki (sp?) and starts the talk show circuit revealing all about the Obama administration......
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It absolutely takes away from his career, because he ends it in disgrace. You can rationalize his "bad judgment" however you like, but to ignore the fact that his legacy in history will be one of "bad judgment" is disingenuous. Political concerns may be allowing him to save face and retire honorably, but he failed to live up to his duty as an officer, period.
It is quite amazing the vitriol some have for an honorable American who served his country, simply because he was around people who dissed thier guy. :roll:
It absolutely takes away from his career, because he ends it in disgrace. You can rationalize his "bad judgment" however you like, but to ignore the fact that his legacy in history will be one of "bad judgment" is disingenuous. Political concerns may be allowing him to save face and retire honorably, but he failed to live up to his duty as an officer, period.
There are some calling for Obama to clean house, but jerking the ambassador and others that couldn't work with McChrystal back to Washington and firing them. That although McChrystal made a mistake, blame and accountability needs to be spread around to those who were really incompetent over there.
Maybe it's the other way around. Maybe generals that denigrate their civilian leaders are the incompetent ones. Competent generals don't denigrate their superiors, if they have serious disagreements or grievances, they voice them properly, just like Shinseki did during the Bush administration. Do you think Petraeus would pull a stunt like this? I doubt it. And besides, he pretty much got what he wanted, he got the troops and had pretty much free reign over Afghanistan, don't know what he was complaining about.He insulted their god. Shame on him.
now...thinking folk might consider that even though it WAS WRONG for them to air their opinions in RS, MAYBE JUST MAYBE they denigrated the civilian leaders because they were weak, incometent assholes...and might recognize that there should be some change needed there as well...
He has already earned himself a reputation as an individual who can't keep his mouth shut, to the detriment of himself and our troops.
Something that is primarily a media driven thing.
I've still, to this day, yet to have anyone provide an actual damning or obviously over the line comment directly quoted to him.
Every statement made directly by him in the magazine article were extremely light at most and completely benign for the majority of them. The only comments arguably made that he needed to "keep his mouth shut" in regards to stating were nothing but heresay reported by unnamed sources and aides to a reporter who had a definitive and obvious bias and agenda.
His only seeming mistake in any of this was the idiocy of allowing the magazine into his inner circle in the first place and assuming it was going to take a fair and neutral position in the story rather than have an obvious agenda of searching out deterimental comments and situations from those around him.
You make the mistake of thinking that those of us that served and retired give a flying **** about civilian leaderships opinion of us. Disgrace? in whose eyes? Certainly not the eyes of the military. Speaking only for myself...I disagree with his actions but certainly understand the sentiment.
I can completely understand his sentiments, but he buggered himself professionally for good.
When I worked for a local police force, we often made scathing comments about the Mayor, and had little nicknames for the city councilmen behind closed doors in the department. Would we have been so arrogant and stupid as to make those comments in front of a member of the media? hell no. And would we have been fired if we had? Hell yes. I was interviewed almost every week on something related to my job, and somehow managed not to step on anyone's dick.
I knew the rules, and so did McCrystal. I chalk it up to utter arrogance. He majorly stepped on his own dick, and has only himself to blame for it.
Ive never argued the point. As a military man i agree that he had to expect the repercussions. Im actually OK with the results.I can completely understand his sentiments, but he buggered himself professionally for good.
When I worked for a local police force, we often made scathing comments about the Mayor, and had little nicknames for the city councilmen behind closed doors in the department. Would we have been so arrogant and stupid as to make those comments in front of a member of the media? hell no. And would we have been fired if we had? Hell yes. I was interviewed almost every week on something related to my job, and somehow managed not to step on anyone's dick.
I knew the rules, and so did McCrystal. I chalk it up to utter arrogance. He majorly stepped on his own dick, and has only himself to blame for it.
Yeah, I do fault Obama for putting McChrystal in charge. He did hire him, no one else did. I'm not a "Obama is always the best" kind or person, sometimes I have disagreements. He should have put Petraeus in charge from the beginning, I always wondered why he went to CENTCOM as an administrative position, maybe it was just to reward him for service. At least Obama made the good move to put Petraeus in charge now, that's not such a bad thing.Ive never argued the point. As a military man i agree that he had to expect the repercussions. Im actually OK with the results.
Problem is...this is a real no win situation for BO and his supporters.
If McChrystal was a good and effective leader...what is it about this administration that caused he and his staff to be so dismissive of the adminsitration?
And if as some are now saying McChrystal was a bad leader, then why on earth did BO hire him? Or keep him? If the war policy is bad, then what kind of a leader tolerates that?
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