Gen Mike Flynn weighs in

[Callen]

Nobody suggested asking permission. However, it is protocol to inform those nations you consider allies. Israel for instance always informed the US, the UK, and France just before strikes on Iran, and in the past, Iraq. Same with the raid on Entebbe.

Although the US didn't inform Israel about the deal they made with Yemen and the Houthis.

"Israeli Foreign Minister Gideon Sa'ar stated that the United States failed to inform the Israeli government of the agreement with the Houthi terrorists announced on May 6 by President Donald Trump, under which Washington ceased airstrikes in Yemen.

"We didn't receive any advance notice. That's all you can say," Saar said, when asked about the US announcement in an interview published

 

[Mycroft]

Its funny how quickly you bought, then immediately abandoned, this talking point.

yawn...

Here you go again. Making this about me. And spouting bullshit, too.

Bye.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Although the US didn't inform Israel about the deal they made with Yemen and the Houthis.

"Israeli Foreign Minister Gideon Sa'ar stated that the United States failed to inform the Israeli government of the agreement with the Houthi terrorists announced on May 6 by President Donald Trump, under which Washington ceased airstrikes in Yemen.

"We didn't receive any advance notice. That's all you can say," Saar said, when asked about the US announcement in an interview published

That's a nice attempt at distraction; however we were talking about advance notice of military strikes, not deals to stop an ongoing strike. The Houthis said "uncle" and the strike ended.

 

[Callen]

That's a nice attempt at distraction; however we were talking about advance notice of military strikes, not deals to stop an ongoing strike. The Houthis said "uncle" and the strike ended.

The point is that it's untrue to say that countries always inform allies of military matters...they don't

 

[maxparrish]

To the contrary, although the ego driven in the administration may be offended; by NOT telling the US of its plans and intentions IT makes it clear to Russia that the US didn't approve or participate in the operation.

They did themselves and US a favor by taking sole responsibility.

But hey, I'm sure there are those looking to be offended anyway.

 

[MAGAnificent]

The point is that it's untrue to say that countries always inform allies of military matters...they don't

You are winging it and not doing well.

 

[iguanaman]

This breakthrough hit was both a surprise and a shock for which there was no defensive awareness and counter armament.

For instance, the drones overcame jamming functions at the Russian airbases that run continuously. Now the Pentagon and Congress know this about these drones and jamming functions. The US can find out from Ukraine whether the drones overcame jamming by being manually controlled, and if so, whether that was the sole reason or a reason. The point is of course the US will know what to expect.


We know that typically in each attack the truck with the drones was parked well outside the ground security zone of the air base. While the air security zone is much greater the drones avoided or defeated being intercepted. We know this now and only because this unanticipated breakthrough attack has occurred. This now can be addressed by consulting with Ukraine and perhaps by the invention and application of US specific counter technology and operational personnel competency.

Which means your post just isn't scary.

Jamming did not work because they drones were autonomous and powered by AI. The AI in them was "trained" at a Ukrainian air museum where they had examples of the soviet aircraft that were targeted.

 

[iguanaman]

To the contrary, although the ego driven in the administration may be offended; by NOT telling the US of its plans and intentions IT makes it clear to Russia that the US didn't approve or participate in the operation.

They did themselves and US a favor by taking sole responsibility.

But hey, I'm sure there are those looking to be offended anyway.

The targets were legitimate military ones and Russia was using those airplanes to launch cruise missiles that kill Ukrainian civilians. Flynn's criticisms only reveal where his allegiances are. He should be in jail and would be if Trump had not pardoned him. The fact that Ukraine pulled this off without any help from the west shows how quickly Ukraine has embraced innovations that will revolutionize warfare. We need them on our side for sure.

 

[maxparrish]

The targets were legitimate military ones and Russia was using those airplanes to launch cruise missiles that kill Ukrainian civilians. Flynn's criticisms only reveal where his allegiances are. He should be in jail and would be if Trump had not pardoned him.

Yes, unlike a huge portion of the Russian strikes on Ukrainian targets over the past three years, these are military, not civilian. Had the US been given notice then the pro-Russian lobby would be complained that the US was behind this plot and it would justify retaliation by Russia on the US.

The ONLY thing anyone needs to remember is that the pro-Russia lobby here, and elsewhere, really don't care about the rules of warfare or that they be applied equally. All they want, at every turn, is to undermine Ukraine and elevate Russia.

 

[watsup]

The targets were legitimate military ones and Russia was using those airplanes to launch cruise missiles that kill Ukrainian civilians. Flynn's criticisms only reveal where his allegiances are. He should be in jail and would be if Trump had not pardoned him. The fact that Ukraine pulled this off without any help from the west shows how quickly Ukraine has embraced innovations that will revolutionize warfare. We need them on our side for sure.

Flynn was once an honored guest at a dinner fete by Putin and sat at Putin's table. Amazing how much traction Putin is getting from just one meal.

 

[sanman]

This is some scary shit, man. I used to show it my students.

You have students? Now that's scary shit.

 

[sanman]

Michael Flynn goes local to spread Christian nationalism​

How Michael Flynn goes local to spread Christian nationalism

VENICE, Fla. (AP) — It was less than three weeks before the Sarasota County, Florida, school board election when the former White House national security adviser weighed in on the local political race.

apnews.com

It was all over the news.

I wonder how many Christian Nationalists are at Ukraytheon?
A whole lot more than are at the Hollow, that's for damn sure.
So you're fiercely supporting one set of Christian Nationalists over another?
Slava Ukraytheon.

 

[soap box]

That's a nice attempt at distraction; however we were talking about advance notice of military strikes, not deals to stop an ongoing strike. The Houthis said "uncle" and the strike ended.

So you mean... The Ukrainians didn't post it on a Signal chat?

 

[Jredbaron96]

yawn...

Here you go again. Making this about me. And spouting bullshit, too.

Bye.

What bullshit? You thought SALT applied, and you were wrong.

 

[Roadvirus]

Why would Ukraine need to ask for permission before launching strikes?

Trump would need to warn his Gremlin master.

 

[Roadvirus]

Of course, NOBODY in the entire world has ever accused Zelensky of being wise.

Wrong as always ↓

Trump is a dwarf compared to Zelensky.

Trump hates Zelensky because Z is 100x more the man Trump is.
Zelensky is this century's Churchill. Trump is this century's Chamberlain.

 

[Roadvirus]

Of course, because Mike Flynn cares more about Russia being stung than Ukraine defending itself.

"Breech of protocol," what a joke. Was it a breech of protocol when Trump concluded it was wise to try to negotiate with Putin while claiming Zelenskyy was responsible for the whole thing?

And let's not forget the Haggis/SignalGate screw up

 

[Roadvirus]

Nobody suggested asking permission. However, it is protocol to inform those nations you consider allies

Trump hasn't been treating Ukraine as an ally since he got into office.

 

[maxparrish]

Nobody suggested asking permission. However, it is protocol to inform those nations you consider allies. Israel for instance always informed the US, the UK, and France just before strikes on Iran, and in the past, Iraq. Same with the raid on Entebbe.

First, that presumes the US and Ukraine are bilateral allies, a role rather clouded since Trump took office and put the US into the role of a mediator, not as an ally. What is true of some relationships, such as historically with NATO, is different in other relationships.

Second, Israel, even as a close ally, has often not informed the US prior to its military actions. Here is a table, provided by Grok, of some of those instances:



Finally, the US has not always provided Russia, EVEN UNDER TRUMP, with prior notification of its military actions:



So no, protocol for notification is dependent on circumstances and the closeness of an alliance. And smaller countries who are, or will be, in a war for its survival are especially prone not to take a risk and inform its "allies" or anyone else when a major operation is afoot.

The stragetic need for surprise often takes precedence over the niceties of so-called protocol.

 

[watsup]

I wonder how many Christian Nationalists are at Ukraytheon?
A whole lot more than are at the Hollow, that's for damn sure.
So you're fiercely supporting one set of Christian Nationalists over another?
Slava Ukraytheon.

I have not the slightest idea of what you are talking about.

 

[watsup]

Trump hasn't been treating Ukraine as an ally since he got into office.

Lies are obvious.

 

[MAGAnificent]

First, that presumes the US and Ukraine are bilateral allies, a role rather clouded since Trump took office and

So Zelensky trolling the White House for weapons during two US presidents is not seeking to be allied?

Finally, the US has not always provided Russia, EVEN UNDER TRUMP, with prior notification of its military actions:

Last I checked, Russia has not been a US Allie since WW2.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Trump hasn't been treating Ukraine as an ally since he got into office.

Trump merely called Zelensky down on his lack of protocol and initial unwillingness to agree to the concept of a ceasefire if it could be worked out.

 

[maxparrish]

So Zelensky trolling the White House for weapons during two US presidents is not seeking to be allied?

Last I checked, Russia has not been a US Allie since WW2.

None said that Russia formally was, although for Trump he "had a great relationship" with Putin wherein he often treated him like he was on most occasions, save for the instances I cited.

Again, it shows that it is only protocol "to inform those nations you consider" close "allies" but is still dependent on circumstance; for example, Israel, although a close ally, still has not always informed the US, the UK, and France before taking military action.

What more regarding you mistaken point of view needs be said?

 

[iguanaman]

Mike Flynn agreed to a plea deal with the DOJ for "willfully and knowingly" making false statements to the FBI about the his communications with Russian Ambassador Kislyak. Two weeks before sentencing, Flynn withdrew his guilty plea. At AG Bill Barr's direction, the Justice Department filed a court motion to drop all charges against Flynn. Donald Trump pardoned Flynn on 25 November 2020.

The Trump II DoJ headed by Pam Bondi shut down the DoJ unit that investigates Russian attacks on the US and our elections. The same happened at the FBI under Kash Patel.

And MAGAts wonder why Zelenskyy elected to not share info about Operation Spiderweb with TACO.

And then we have this.....

Report on Russia's 2016 US election meddling disappears from Senate website

"No results found" was the message on the intelligence.senate.gov webpage.

www.newsweek.com

Trump thinks he can rewrite history because he won the election. History does not change and Russia did interfere in the 2016 election to help Trump. The only Russian hoax is that they didn't interfere and Manafort didn't give internal polling information to a Russian agent.