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Gen Mike Flynn weighs in

I doubt very much the heads up would be directly from Zelensky to Trump. I expect it would go through the DoD or the DNI. Which means Hegseth or Gabbard and I would not trust either of those two as far as I could throw them. Both were on that unsecured chat regarding the American attacks on Yemen. If they are that sloppyy with American war plans can you imagine how they would handle Ukrainian war plans...probably put it out on Truth Social.
Your points are well taken about Hegseth The Horrible and Gabbard-Putin but an active plan to blow up Putin's nuclear capable bombers would be communicated state to state, leader to leader, president to president. Directly, personally, one on one.

Zelensky to Trump.

Z knows Trump would freak out just on Ukraine blowing up anything Putin, but a bunch of Putin's necessarily by the Treaty out in the open visible and vulnerable nuclear bombers would light a fire against it under Trump's stacked cheesburger arse. Zelensky would know this of course.

And as has been noted extensively at this thread, Z would know too that a flustered Trump would be one on one on the phone to Putin right away.

Whether it's the USA or Russia, things nuclear or with nuclear implications are for the leader and the leader first, foremost and exclusively. And this was Ukraine knocking out 30% to 40% of Putin's "strategic" bomber force as things nuclear are called to avoid using the scary word 'nuclear'. US Strategic Command for instance is where the launch nukes order -- directly from the Potus/C'nC and only -- is done. It's from where they activate the codes that fire up the nuclear tipped ICBMs in their silos -- "on order" of the Potus as it is said.

Indeed, in the armed forces "on order" is usually something you don't want to be hearing. Orders are orders but "on order" is usually out of the ordinary.
 
The Trump II DoJ headed by Pam Bondi shut down the DoJ unit that investigates Russian attacks on the US and our elections. The same happened at the FBI under Kash Patel.

MAGAs have been writing American history since 2015.

Posters say J6 was when the Democrats stole the 2020 election from Trump. That pardoning the J6 rioting insurrectionists is justice.

By November next year -- and likely well before then -- with Trump in power and authority the Democrats will gain nothing because Bondi will declare VOTER FRAUD. Trump will send into the states and purple districts his goons from ATF, FBI, ICE. HSI, US marshals and so on to arrest the VOTER FRAUD.

Liberals are totally inept and unable to stop any of this, since 2015. Hopeless and helpless the liberals are.
 
ATTENTION!​
So, it appears Zelenskyy gave the go ahead to attack parked Russian nuclear capable bombers without informing​
@realDonaldTrump (if true that our President was not consulted nor informed, this isn’t simply a breach of protocol. It’s a geopolitical insult and a warning sign. If Ukraine is willing to conduct strikes with strategic consequences without notifying the White House, we are no longer allies with coordination issues—we are co-belligerents flying blind).​
Also given Senator “warmonger” Lindsey Graham’s and Senator “Da Nang Dick” Blumenthal’s recent visit, this attack could appear as though it was sanctioned. I pray the Russians have better intelligence than that. IMHO, these two don’t have the sense or common sense to pull something like this off (there will have to be denials though).​
FYI, Those bombers that were hit HAVE to be out in full view due to nuclear treaty obligations. Zelenskyy took advantage of that. For instance, they appear to have hidden the drones in containers and were driven on trucks near the airbase. Smart use of deception (see photos below).
However, imagine any one of our big bomber bases having the exact same thing done to them. Very costly U.S. Strategic Bombers can be taken out in the same way by anyone with access to inexpensive drones, delivery trucks, explosives, and a bit of technical knowledge (not good and new tactics will now have to be developed).
People, and especially world leaders, need to realize the global implications to such an operation as Ukraine just pulled off.​
Russia will respond. Action, reaction, counteraction. Those are the shifting tides of warfare.​
This wasn’t a bold action, it was brash. Ukraine’s short-term win could be the world’s long-term loss.​
Despite what is a complete mess right now in Europe, there are still solutions to achieving peace. They are narrowing however and time, as it often does, becomes an enemy instead of a useful friend.​

The treaty obligations that Flynn referred to are SALT and START. As usual, Flynn cuts through the nonsense rhetoric and focuses on the real-world facts and consequences. And, the fact is, Zelensky made a big mistake. He has almost guaranteed that Trump will pull out ALL of the support we've been giving Ukraine, including our on-the-ground CIA support.

Zelensky would be wise to make the best peace deal he can get, and to do it quickly. Otherwise, he will likely find himself in a world of shit without US support.

Of course, NOBODY in the entire world has ever accused Zelensky of being wise.
Putin's Pet. 🌮🌮🌮
 
btw, Trump posted this today...

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One guess what the main topic of discussion was.

You only get one guess, because the answer is so obvious.
Go ahead, tell us what YOU think the main topic of discussion was....besides scraping and bowing to Putin's anger.....
 
Go ahead, tell us what YOU think the main topic of discussion was....besides scraping and bowing to Putin's anger.....
Seriously? You don't have a guess?

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.
 
btw, Trump posted this today...

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One guess what the main topic of discussion was.

You only get one guess, because the answer is so obvious.




The proxy war has crossed into nuclear territory. What are the various possibilities? What to do in each case
 
Zelensky could just inform Putin, and cut out the fat orange middle man.
 
Slava Ukraytheon,
How did you manage to make up that description about him?

Michael Flynn goes local to spread Christian nationalism​



It was all over the news.
 
The proxy war has crossed into nuclear territory. What are the various possibilities? What to do in each case
Zelensky took out these long range bombers because they have been conventional bombing Ukraine cities throughout Putin's barbarian war focused on civilians to then purloin "orphaned" children into Russia. This is while Ukraine severely has lacked air defense systems throughout Putin's Barbarian War.

That the conventional bombers double as nuclear capable is pretty much the rule with such long range "strategic" bombers. The same is true of nuclear capable fighter jets. It comes with the territory to be targeted during conventional bombing operations to include being shot down. Indeed, if one or two got shot down on a bombing run it's not the end of the world for Putin izzit. If Putin the barbarian lost 5 or 6 of these bombers he would feel some pain for sure.

It's just the spectacular and devastating character of the coordinated and simultaneous ten minute unopposed Operation Spiders Web taking out 30-40 of the dual purpose bombers at several air bases in separate areas of Russia that are vast distances from Ukraine that gives Putin and His Always Loyal MagaMericans a case of the arse.
 

Michael Flynn goes local to spread Christian nationalism​



It was all over the news.

This is some scary shit, man. I used to show it my students.

 
Why would Ukraine need to ask for permission before launching strikes?
A lot of reasons. Disturbing the balance among the nuclear powers has profound implications for the world not just Ukraine and could reasonably have been interpreted by Russia as a first strike.
 
A lot of reasons. Disturbing the balance among the nuclear powers has profound implications for the world not just Ukraine and could reasonably have been interpreted by Russia as a first strike.

Bring it. It's the only way this war monger will be stopped.
 
btw, Trump posted this today...

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Oh Great and Glorious Grand Poobah of The Art of the Fraud....

The stockpiling of weapons that cost billions to create, and more billions to maintain and store, not to be used is a form of corporate welfare.

Just saying...
 
A lot of reasons. Disturbing the balance among the nuclear powers has profound implications for the world not just Ukraine and could reasonably have been interpreted by Russia as a first strike.

No way that Zelesnky checks with Trump to avoid Trump immediately alerting Putin. Neither of them can be trusted.
 
First of all, Ukraine doesn't answer to our douche bag felon-in-chief, and Russia richly deserves every attack Zelensky can muster... Putin did, after all start a war out of his own greed to own land and control a people who he had no right to. F*** Russia, and F*** you Flynn!

Candidly, Putin started a war with Ukraine as much because he was facing rising unrest on the home front and needed a "war time Presidency" the way Bush realized he needed a second front in Iraq to stay in power himself [if you recall he was well on his way to a one term Presidency until 9/11].
 
I have yet to see anything productive from President Trump to bring the Ukraine/Russia war to an end.

Since Trump us he was just blowing bs about ending the conflict before taking office and he could end the war if a few days, why would we believe anything Trump says now?
Flynn is way to radical to accept what he says as anything good to follow.
 
I have yet to see anything productive from President Trump to bring the Ukraine/Russia war to an end.

Since Trump us he was just blowing bs about ending the conflict before taking office and he could end the war if a few days, why would we believe anything Trump says now?
Flynn is way to radical to accept what he says as anything good to follow.
Flynn is a CONVICTED traitor.
 
We are bound by the same requirements in the SALT and START treaties, so yes...our nuclear capable bombers are just as vulnerable as Russia's.

It's not likely we'll be attacked by Ukraine, but there are other groups who now know how easy it could be to strike a big blow against the US.

Its funny how quickly you bought, then immediately abandoned, this talking point.
 
Why would Ukraine need to ask for permission before launching strikes?
Nobody suggested asking permission. However, it is protocol to inform those nations you consider allies. Israel for instance always informed the US, the UK, and France just before strikes on Iran, and in the past, Iraq. Same with the raid on Entebbe.
 
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