Gen Mike Flynn weighs in

[iguanaman]

Trump merely called Zelensky down on his lack of protocol and initial unwillingness to agree to the concept of a ceasefire if it could be worked out.

Trump asked Zelensky to agree to Putin's terms for a ceasefire and he refused to give up a million Ukrainians to Russian genocide.

 

[MAGAnificent]

one said that Russia formally was, although for Trump he "had a great relationship" with Putin

Trump asked Zelensky to agree to Putin's terms for a ceasefire

Completely false.

 

[iguanaman]

Completely false.

Sorry but Zelensky was right. Putin will not accept a ceasefire unless Ukraine capitulates first. Trump was made a fool of by Putin and like the TACO he is just sits there and takes it. The weakest President in history by far. All hat and no cowboy describes his every diplomatic pick too. Sending his golfing buddy to talk to Putin was incredibly stupid.

Ukrainians have several reasons for opposing a stand-alone ceasefire.

First, no evidence suggests Moscow is seriously interested in one. While press reports alluded to Vladimir Putin’s possible readiness for a ceasefire in December 2023 and May 2024, the Kremlin never confirmed that. Russian officials instead insist that Moscow wants a settlement—on Russia’s terms. Those terms amount to Kyiv’s capitulation. In addition to provisions requiring neutrality and severe numerical limits on the size of its military, Ukraine would have to cede not only territory currently occupied by the Russian army but also areas of the Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, and Donetsk provinces that remain under Ukrainian control—including parts that have never been occupied by the Russian army.

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/why-a-ceasefire-holds-little-appeal-for-zelenskyy/

 

[MAGAnificent]

Sorry but Zelensky was right.

Where Zelensky was wrong was protocol and initial refusal to accept the concept of a cease fire if one could be worked out. Zelensky's team is at this point in time negotiating with the Russians

Putin will not accept a ceasefire unless Ukraine capitulates first.

The drone attack on the bombers may change that.

 

[Tangmo]

Flynn was once an honored guest at a dinner fete by Putin and sat at Putin's table. Amazing how much traction Putin is getting from just one meal.

Indeed and Flynn received a $45,000 payment for attending that RT anniversary dinner where he sat at the right hand of Putin.

When the 3-star Flynn was Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency at Ft. McNair in DC from 2011-14 he was the first and only NATO general officer to gain access to the GRU building which is Russian military intelligence. Flynn was welcomed, he was praised and he gave a lecture on military intelligence leadership. When Flynn was invited again for a second GRU visit SecDef Chuck Hegel said no.

Flynn was denied approval to bring Russian intel officers to the DIA for a "visit." Flynn was fired as DIA director by Potus Obama for creating chaotic leadership and management at the DIA. SecDef Hegel and the Joint Chiefs did not attend Flynn's retirement ceremony, which for a 3-star is Pentagon SOP to do. DIA was greatly relieved to see Flynn go.

In 2016 after Flynn made his "LOCK HER UP" rant at the Republican National Convention the retired chairman of JCS Admiral Mike Mullen called Flynn to admonish him that it was "conduct unbecoming of a retired general officer." Mullin is regarded as the leading living military authority on USA civil-military relations. Indeed, it takes more than any of this to stop a raging religious maniac.

 

[Juin]

Gee, a disgraced two-bit American General found guilty of lying about his collusion with Russia sides with Russia; quelle surprise.

What in Gen Flynn's article amounts to siding with Russia?

 

[bomberfox]

Traitor and king q-anon mike flynn has nothing to say that i am interested in.

 

[Juin]

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Thanks. Very informative.

 

[bomberfox]

I have not the slightest idea of what you are talking about.

Neither does he.

 

[Juin]

Is this meant to be a serious thread? It shouldn't be.

I dont know how threads are graded for seriousness

Are you even paying attention?

To what?

If you were, you would absolutely understand that Trump renounced the America position as "leader of the free world" including backing away from support for Ukraine, while raising the question if America is actually more a friend of Russia than the west. Of course Zelinksy is not going to share information with the US, they don't trust the US (under Trump.)

Did Zelensky inform Trump before the attack or not? I am not asking for speculations

Please, spare us your outrage. Meanwhile, who gives 2 whatever on what Flynn thinks. The man is a certifiable wack-a-doo.

Gen Mike Flynn is a fine General

 

[Juin]

Why does Zelensky need TACO's permission? I wouldnt trust him not to notify Putin.

Our English friends in the forum are wont to observe: he who pays the piper calls the tune. Zelensky is a good piper. In which case if Zelensky expects Trump to pay him to pipe, then he cannot pipe until Trump calls the tune. Assuming Trump did not call the tune, he is also relieved of any obligations in case a furious bear, bent on vengeance lashes back :0

 

[Lursa]

Our English friends in the forum are wont to observe: he who pays the piper calls the tune. Zelensky is a good piper. In which case if Zelensky expects Trump to pay him to pipe, then he cannot pipe until Trump calls the tune. Assuming Trump did not call the tune, he is also relieved of any obligations in case a furious bear, bent on vengeance lashes back :0

I have no idea what you're trying to say here...that's usually the case when someone's floundering but feels they can make "some" point. I have no idea what yours is, however I do notice that TACO is being left out of the process more and more

 

[Juin]

First of all, Ukraine doesn't answer to our douche bag felon-in-chief, and Russia richly deserves every attack Zelensky can muster... Putin did, after all start a war out of his own greed to own land and control a people who he had no right to. F*** Russia, and F*** you Flynn!

Trump will be more than happy to up and leave; it is actually the Europeans who insist Trump remain in the game. Even at this very moment Zelensky is hassling Trump for a bouquet of patriots.

 

[Juin]

All the while Zelensky was sitting there with 4 aces up his sleeves.

LOL That is too funny.

 

[Juin]

I have no idea what you're trying to say here...that's usually the case when someone's floundering but feels they can make "some" point. I have no idea what yours is, however I do notice that TACO is being left out of the process more and more

Its an acquired taste.

 

[Juin]

Boo hoo.
Zelensky & the SBU didn't want Putzin to know about it...that is why they didn't tell Trump.
After Yemen & SignalGate, can you blame them?

Its a tricky situation for Zelensky. He expects the furious bear to lash back, against which he is frantically asking Trump for a bouquet of patriots. The problem for Zelensky going solos is that in case things go south Trump can also tell him: you went solo, you deal with it

 

[Cosmo]

Our English friends in the forum are wont to observe: he who pays the piper calls the tune. Zelensky is a good piper. In which case if Zelensky expects Trump to pay him to pipe, then he cannot pipe until Trump calls the tune. Assuming Trump did not call the tune, he is also relieved of any obligations in case a furious bear, bent on vengeance lashes back :0

The West is paying Ukraine in metal so they don't have to pay themselves in blood later. Think of it as being like paying Poland in 1939 to hold off the bad guys of World War II (Nazi Germany and their military ally the Soviet Union), except less hopeless since Russia is on its own this time and little more than all of Nazi Germany's belligerence and none of their brains.

As for the bear, it's rabid and in its death throes, so it's going to lash out as much as it can anyway. Rabies can't be cured with kindness, and the bear is unwilling to be painlessly euthanized by the merciful Ukrainian veterinarians, so its death will have to painful and drawn out.

 

[Juin]

To the contrary, although the ego driven in the administration may be offended; by NOT telling the US of its plans and intentions IT makes it clear to Russia that the US didn't approve or participate in the operation.

They did themselves and US a favor by taking sole responsibility.

But hey, I'm sure there are those looking to be offended anyway.

Do we know for sure the administration was not informed? And if informed did the administration give its blessings?

 

[Juin]

The West is paying Ukraine in metal so they don't have to pay themselves in blood later.

The west has in Ukraine a good proxy. Ole "blood and guts" leads me to suggest a "blood for metals" relationship; western metal for Ukrainian blood! Politics is horrible!

Think of it as being like paying Poland in 1939 to hold off the bad guys of World War II (Nazi Germany and their military ally the Soviet Union),...

I consider that a bad example. The fact is France and Britain were never serious about defending Poland. The Soviet Union at that point was a gun for hire. Disliked by both France/Britain and Nazi Germany; and in danger from both. Stalin was available to the highest bidder. The Nazis made a serious offer while France/UK made none.

except less hopeless since Russia is on its own this time and little more than all of Nazi Germany's belligerence and none of their brains.

As for the bear, it's rabid and in its death throes, so it's going to lash out as much as it can anyway. Rabies can't be cured with kindness, and the bear is unwilling to be painlessly euthanized by the merciful Ukrainian veterinarians, so its death will have to painful and drawn out.

Last I looked it is the bear that has a piece of Ukraine

 

[Roadvirus]

Its a tricky situation for Zelensky. He expects the furious bear to lash back, against which he is frantically asking Trump for a bouquet of patriots. The problem for Zelensky going solos is that in case things go south Trump can also tell him: you went solo, you deal with it

Zelensky doesn't expect the White House Putzin Appeaser to back him anyway.

 

[iguanaman]

What in Gen Flynn's article amounts to siding with Russia?

He lied and claimed the SALT treaty made the attacks on strategic bombers illegal. Also he was obviously upset about our sworn enemy losing aircraft that could attack the US with nuclear weapons. That is inexcusable for a former general.

 

[iguanaman]

Its a tricky situation for Zelensky. He expects the furious bear to lash back, against which he is frantically asking Trump for a bouquet of patriots. The problem for Zelensky going solos is that in case things go south Trump can also tell him: you went solo, you deal with it

Ukraine blew up planes already loaded with cruise missiles aimed at Ukrainian civilians. There is nothing tricky about that. The night before this Russia launched over 400 drones at Ukrainian cities. I don't think the "furious bear" has much more to retaliate with than that. Russia is not holding back and haven't been since the start of the war. Ukraine will not be intimidated by Russian lies.

 

[iguanaman]

Last I looked it is the bear that has a piece of Ukraine

But despite heavy losses in men and machines they still control less of Ukraine than in 2022. The Russian military is corrupt and incompetent.

 

[Tangmo]

Trump will be more than happy to up and leave; it is actually the Europeans who insist Trump remain in the game. Even at this very moment Zelensky is hassling Trump for a bouquet of patriots.

The US military presence in Europe of 90,000 forces provides Trump with "deal making" leverage that makes him float on air. USA armed forces in Europe are worth $30bn to local and state economies where they are stationed, namely 40,000 in Germany, Poland 15,000, Italy 13,000, the UK 10,000 and Spain 4,000.

US military personnel pay, housing, retail and fueling purchases and so on support economic infrastructure that mean jobs and income for many Europeans where the US has bases. A recent innovation of rotating US forces in and out of Poland and the Baltic States has boosted their GDP by $5bn more since 2018.

During Trump's training wheels presidency he told the Pentagon to pull 12,000 forces out of Germany because he wanted to sting Merkel economically. This had nothing to do with US national security, NATO stability or force readiness. It was personally spiteful. The Pentagon slow walked it and talked about China till Trump forgot about it so the number of US forces in Germany has remained the same since.

Trump knows he cannot just "up and leave" Europe or anywhere.

 

[Juin]

But despite heavy losses in men and machines they still control less of Ukraine than in 2022.

The west has sunk in hundreds of billions of dollars, what do they have to show for it? Zero. Instead they are begging for ceasefire

The Russian military is corrupt and incompetent.

And they go into battle armed with shovels