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Did GE get bailout money?
Yeah, they don't wanna pay good wages and support the social constructs of the country. However, if they make bad decisions again and tank, they will not think twice to take MORE of our money to bail out their asses. We've given them enough, time to pay the piper.
China just announced their Aircraft carrier...if that isnt a threat to us NOTHING IS....and they just told the USA to stop the spy planes...any one else feel a sense of forboding over china....oh and THANK YOU AMERICAN GREEDY CORPORATIONS for creating our biggest threat..
China refitting aircraft carrier body for research, training
China tells US to halt spy plane flights: report - Yahoo! News
None of you conservative corporatist cheerleaders can convince me corporations havent become a scourge on this country and the working class for GREED...
I used to buy all the bs just like YOU guys for decades...but how in the world cant you see whats going on right under your nose
Did GE get bailout money?
How could it be anything else? Maybe if we paid them to stay here? And provided some slave labor of our own?
If imposing tariffs on companies that outsource to exploit dirt cheap labor and lack of safety and environmental laws so that American companies can actually compete with foreign ones is protectionism then so be it.Other than reworking the trade agreements requiring participating parties to pay their workers what they would pay Americans and adhere to the same worker safety and environmental laws then tariffs is the only other solution. I suppose that if you see nothing wrong with manufacturing jobs leaving the US, the US being at the mercy of these countries that manufacture, unpatriotic, and could care less about the fact we are literally aiding one the largest communist countries in the world then I suppose unrestricted outsourcing is a good thing to you. Our elected officials should not have allowed this to happen and should not be encouraging it.If our elected officials suppose to benifit anyone it should be we Americans.
If imposing tariffs on companies that outsource to exploit dirt cheap labor and lack of safety and environmental laws so that American companies can actually compete with foreign ones is protectionism then so be it.Other than reworking the trade agreements requiring participating parties to pay their workers what they would pay Americans and adhere to the same worker safety and environmental laws then tariffs is the only other solution. I suppose that if you see nothing wrong with manufacturing jobs leaving the US, the US being at the mercy of these countries that manufacture, unpatriotic, and could care less about the fact we are literally aiding one the largest communist countries in the world then I suppose unrestricted outsourcing is a good thing to you. Our elected officials should not have allowed this to happen and should not be encouraging it.If our elected officials suppose to benifit anyone it should be we Americans.
GE is in buisness to make a profit. can you blame them for not wanting to pay unskilled US workers $10-$15 an hour when they can pay unskilled chinese workers pennies a day?
look what happened to the mom & pops and the corner 5 and dimes once wallyworld came along. how many US consumers were willing to keep paying higher prices to keep mom and pop in business when they could get the same goods much cheaper from Sam Walton?
Not picking on you as there many coming up with this arguement, yours just happened to be the one I quoted.
I've covered this many times. Tariff's are not the answer. The way we tax corporations is. Tariff's result in nothing but a trade war. Nobody is going to win.
Let's take two mythical companies making microwaves. Company A makes them in Indiana and company B makes them in China. Company A gets taxed at 23% on their profits and company B gets taxed at 35% on their profits. It's certainly not this simple but it can be worked out.
Tax, tarriff. Tomato, to-mah-to. As long as the gubberment puts measures in place that level the playing field, I'm cool with it, whatever we end up calling it. But I assure you it will never happen until our children ask, one day, "Daddy, what WAS a republican?"
Not picking on you as there many coming up with this arguement, yours just happened to be the one I quoted.
I've covered this many times. Tariff's are not the answer. The way we tax corporations is.
Tariff's result in nothing but a trade war. Nobody is going to win.
Let's take two mythical companies making microwaves. Company A makes them in Indiana and company B makes them in China. Company A gets taxed at 23% on their profits and company B gets taxed at 35% on their profits. It's certainly not this simple but it can be worked out.
Right on Jamesrage. You are full of surprises. I am surprised you have this point of view. It's not "Very Conservative" of you compared to the other "Very Conservative" people here at the forum. Fines, tariff's, or any other measure costing corporations money, is just another way of saying "tax." I'm impressed. But, then again, I have been impressed with other positions you have taken in the past, that seemed somewhat out of character, as well. Just goes to show you, that even the "Very Conservative" have the capability of critical thinking and that Jamesrage is true to his own free thinking and not a slave to the FOXNews crowd. MY kind of conservative!
Rock on brother!
Isn't that a tariff when we impose extra taxes on companies that outsource?
I hate to tell you this but we are already losing the trade war. When we say "The idea that American companies can compete with foreign companies that pay their workers a 120 dollars a month as well as little to no health and environmental regulations is absurd." That applies to American made goods sold over seas too. I do not see china or India imposing extra taxes on Chinese and India made goods so that American made goods sold there can compete fairly over in those countries.
And seeing how they pay their workers a 2-4 bucks a day I seriously doubt they can afford American made goods to begin with. So this Oh if we impose tariffs then we will get in a trade war with China is utterly ridiculous.
Just like all other business expenses that are passed onto the consumer, corporate taxes will be as well.Will a 10% tax increase when spread out amongst their products that consumers are buying actually make a significant price difference?
GE is in buisness to make a profit. can you blame them for not wanting to pay unskilled US workers $10-$15 an hour when they can pay unskilled chinese workers pennies a day?
look what happened to the mom & pops and the corner 5 and dimes once wallyworld came along. how many US consumers were willing to keep paying higher prices to keep mom and pop in business when they could get the same goods much cheaper from Sam Walton?
I was once on that world trade band wagon. Can't really call yourself patriotic if you support the outsourcing of American jobs and leaving us at the mercy of countries that do manufacture especially to communist countries. There is the fact that since companies are outsourcing to China they are building China up, which means china can spend more money on their military and be a bigger thread to us.
Blame? Well, then you have to be willing to accept third world living standards here. You can't have a high standard of living and then say business is right to leave so they can get third worl labor for pennies. Like I said, it's a bit of a moral issue.
And yes, many were short sighted. Many pay for cheap prices but forget they are sliting their own throats. However, that doesn't change that both are still wrong. My friend may be correct in that we are mexicanizng the US, making the division greater between rich and poor and brining back low, low, low wages. But we can't blame anyone.
What you seem to be saying is that the Americans, with an unparalleled history of innovation and invention, cannot now compete in a changing world.
It seems your education system, as well as your leadership of course, really needs an overhaul.
My friend may be correct in that we are mexicanizng the US, making the division greater between rich and poor and brining back low, low, low wages.
A friend of mind here at the school calls it the Mexicization of America, in which we bring workers here to the level of the worker in Mexico. He maintains that only that will ever bring corporations that choose to leave here back.
Like I said, it's a bit of a moral issue.
What you seem to be saying is that the Americans, with an unparalleled history of innovation and invention, cannot now compete in a changing world.
It seems your education system, as well as your leadership of course, really needs an overhaul.
Originally Posted by Boo Radley
A friend of mind here at the school calls it the Mexicization of America, in which we bring workers here to the level of the worker in Mexico.
Compete? If we were speaking of innovation and invention, I would agree with you that we can. But we're not. We're talking about salary for that. To compete in that arena, we must take less, less pay, less benefits, less good living. I'm asking if we really want to compete in that way?
We were warned about this leading up to the passing of the various free trade agreements. When a company like GE is doing business around the world they have to compete with the likes of Germany and Japan for these types of markets. If they leave manufacturing in the United States their equiment will cost much more and eventually their market share will shrink to zero and the X-ray division of GE will no longer exist. So there goes all of your jobs anyway. We have to do something about this but what?
It's not that so much. It's the fact that too many are taking the path of least resistance. But it's not this simple either. Far too complicated than can be covered easily.....LOL
It's far easier to simply move overseas than to do the things necessary to compete. Unfortunately when a company like Boeing attempts to do that, they are met with resistance from the government. Everyone has to give some to compete for awhile. Nobody wants to look at the long term picture.
In the long term picture, China will have to pay higher wage prices. It's simple human nature. Putting this many people to work gives them access to the outside world and they are going to demand a piece of that pie. Damn lot of good that does if all of our manufacturing is over there by then though.
I was once on that world trade band wagon. Can't really call yourself patriotic if you support the outsourcing of American jobs and leaving us at the mercy of countries that do manufacture especially to communist countries. There is the fact that since companies are outsourcing to China they are building China up, which means china can spend more money on their military and be a bigger thread to us.
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