Gay Trauma [W:212]

[Cabin John]

Homosexuals are victims of two extreme view points, (1) anti-gay bullies and (2) pro-gay evangelicals.

Gay teens go through years of confusion and mixed messages as they come to grips with their sexual preference. One side of society espouse anti-gay messages, while another segment of society sends pro-gay messages. Signals come from extreme, misinformed sources such as bullies on the playground sending messages of hate, while others promote a positive picture of gay lifestyle as a civil rights issue and a birth right. Both extreme points of view fail to recognize that homosexuals are victims of a traumatic environment sending abominable messages about gender roles and personal identity.

As a society, we should approach homosexuality as a health issue and an issue of education. Helpful points of education are:
- Homosexual preference is not genetic;
- Homosexual preference is learned behavior;
- People who have a preference toward homosexuality usually have some type of gender related trauma in their development, such as an over-bearing parent and a distant parent;
- All sexual behavior has consequences, such as disease, emotional attachment, procreation, thus the best relationship model to manage these consequences is a monogamous marriage between a man and a woman.

 

[X Factor]

Re: Gay Trauma

This looks like an anti-gay message that's just a little sugar coated. I have a gay friend. She lived in a home that expected her to be heterosexual, it tore her apart, initially, to finally admit to herself, her family and her friends that she was gay. If she had the choice, I think she would have chosen not to have to go through all that.

 

[TheGirlNextDoor]

Re: Gay Trauma

Homosexuals are victims of two extreme view points, (1) anti-gay bullies and (2) pro-gay evangelicals.

Gay teens go through years of confusion and mixed messages as they come to grips with their sexual preference. One side of society espouse anti-gay messages, while another segment of society sends pro-gay messages. Signals come from extreme, misinformed sources such as bullies on the playground sending messages of hate, while others promote a positive picture of gay lifestyle as a civil rights issue and a birth right. Both extreme points of view fail to recognize that homosexuals are victims of a traumatic environment sending abominable messages about gender roles and personal identity.

As a society, we should approach homosexuality as a health issue and an issue of education. Helpful points of education are:
- Homosexual preference is not genetic;
- Homosexual preference is learned behavior;
- People who have a preference toward homosexuality usually have some type of gender related trauma in their development, such as an over-bearing parent and a distant parent;
- All sexual behavior has consequences, such as disease, emotional attachment, procreation, thus the best relationship model to manage these consequences is a monogamous marriage between a man and a woman.

Source for your "educational" bullets?

 

[X Factor]

Re: Gay Trauma

Source for your "educational" bullets?

My suspicion is that that was drive by and we won't see the OP again.

 

[TheGirlNextDoor]

Re: Gay Trauma

My suspicion is that that was drive by and we won't see the OP again.

Mine too.. but we'll see what this person has to say. My curiosity is piqued and my radar is humming...

 

[Cabin John]

Re: Gay Trauma

Source for your "educational" bullets?

The entire human genome has been mapped. Millions of genetic links have been found from everything from race, gender, thickness of hair, to diseases such as heart condition, etc., yet no link to sexual preference has been found, because it does not exist. Homosexuality is not genetic. We cannot prove a negative, so someone will have to show a genetic link, which so far, has not happened.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Re: Gay Trauma

The entire human genome has been mapped. Millions of genetic links have been found from everything from race, gender, thickness of hair, to diseases such as heart condition, etc., yet no link to sexual preference has been found, because it does not exist. Homosexuality is not genetic. We cannot prove a negative, so someone will have to show a genetic link, which so far, has not happened.

If such a link is found, then I too would consider the case for this biological "need" as a civil right, since members of that class can be identified, just as with race/gender, until then it is simply a "strong personal preference", just as polygamy is.

 

[tessaesque]

Re: Gay Trauma

The entire human genome has been mapped. Millions of genetic links have been found from everything from race, gender, thickness of hair, to diseases such as heart condition, etc., yet no link to sexual preference has been found, because it does not exist. Homosexuality is not genetic. We cannot prove a negative, so someone will have to show a genetic link, which so far, has not happened.

The genome has been mapped, but scientists are still discovering how certain gene combinations and variants affect individuals. There is no evidence to support the claim that sexuality is not, at least in part, the product of genetics in tandem with other environmental factors (hormone exposure in the womb, for example).

And even if sexuality is not genetic, that doesn't mean it isn't based on exposure to environmental (nature) factors instead of nurture issues, as you've outlined.

 

[wolfie]

Re: Gay Trauma

If such a link is found, then I too would consider the case for this biological "need" as a civil right, since members of that class can be identified, just as with race/gender, until then it is simply a "strong personal preference", just as polygamy is.

Mmmm..I don't know!

Can animals be gay? - Telegraph

 

[ttwtt78640]

Re: Gay Trauma

Mmmm..I don't know!

Can animals be gay? - Telegraph

WOW! A life of "commitment" to out of wedlock sexual activity; a wonderful support argument for the "homosexual" married lifestyle. Hmm...

 

[TheNextEra]

Re: Gay Trauma

If such a link is found, then I too would consider the case for this biological "need" as a civil right, since members of that class can be identified, just as with race/gender, until then it is simply a "strong personal preference", just as polygamy is.

Please show us the heterosexual gene then that is faulty with homosexuals.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Re: Gay Trauma

Please show us the heterosexual gene then that is faulty with homosexuals.

No need to, as marriage is now based "equally" upon opposite genders, gender has an entire chormosome 23 as its genetic marker, ask the IOC since they use it for gender identification.

 

[digsbe]

Re: Gay Trauma

There is no known gay gene, anyone who claims as such is ignorant and is typically trying to rationalize homosexuality in some way.

Likewise, we don't fully understand genetics role in human sexuality, there may be a possibility that there are genes or gene combinations that may predispose someone to homosexual attractions.

 

[Cabin John]

Re: Gay Trauma

Please show us the heterosexual gene then that is faulty with homosexuals.

There is no gene for sexual preference. That's my point. If there was a hetero gene, then ipso facto, the missing gene would prove biological causes for homosexuality. There is no sexual preference gene, therefore I cannot produce it. There is no genetic cause for homosexuality.

I assume that since you cannot produce evidence of genetic causes for homosxuality, then you concede the point?

 

[TheNextEra]

Re: Gay Trauma

No need to, as marriage is now based "equally" upon opposite genders, gender has an entire chormosome 23 as its genetic marker, ask the IOC since they use it for gender identification.

That is PHYSICAL gender and not preference. So again I'll ask, where is the HETEROSEXUAL gene that is faulty with homosexuals?

The fact is the anti-gay crowd cannot answer that one.

 

[CLAX1911]

Re: Gay Trauma

I don't automatically jump to the conclusion that homosexuality is genetic, it is developed very early, if it is developed. My lover who is gay said he was aware of his attraction to men at 7 years old. He grew up in a very Christian household with both parents.

Other gay men I have spoken to identified their onset very early in life. I asked of they were sexually attracted to men at prepubesent ages, they tend to say that it want sexual until they began to mature. Perhaps it is a very early childhood learned behavior.

But this business about some proof of genetic origins being the only way that someone would support liberties is really strange, we have the liberty to own AR 15s even though we don't have a genetic predisposition to do so.

 

[tessaesque]

Re: Gay Trauma

There is no gene for sexual preference. That's my point. If there was a hetero gene, then ipso facto, the missing gene would prove biological causes for homosexuality. There is no sexual preference gene, therefore I cannot produce it. There is no genetic cause for homosexuality.

I assume that since you cannot produce evidence of genetic causes for homosxuality, then you concede the point?

There wouldn't be a "missing gene". There would be a gene variant. I find it ironic that one would cite genetics in their argument and then express such ignorance in that regard.

 

[TheNextEra]

Re: Gay Trauma

I assume that since you cannot produce evidence of genetic causes for homosxuality, then you concede the point?

Before gravity was evidenced, people did not know the reason why they fell. Some felt it was God that kept us firmly on the Earth. Does that mean gravity never existed until it was evidedenced?

 

[CLAX1911]

Re: Gay Trauma

There is no gene for sexual preference. That's my point. If there was a hetero gene, then ipso facto, the missing gene would prove biological causes for homosexuality. There is no sexual preference gene, therefore I cannot produce it. There is no genetic cause for homosexuality.

I assume that since you cannot produce evidence of genetic causes for homosxuality, then you concede the point?

Nobody must concede to your point. Some people think they are born that way. You are not athority on this subject. Your "point" is manipulation of no information to support your point of view.

 

[Paschendale]

Re: Gay Trauma

The OP's concept is basically that sexuality is a "one size fits all" model, and that everyone's sexual and emotional desires are the same. Or at least should be the same. That's a huge assumption with nothing to back it up.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Re: Gay Trauma

That is PHYSICAL gender and not preference. So again I'll ask, where is the HETEROSEXUAL gene that is faulty with homosexuals?

The fact is the anti-gay crowd cannot answer that one.

That is the entire point, "preference" is a state of mind, not a physical trait like gender or race. Polygamy is a preference, bigamy is a preference, SSM is a preference, drinking beer is a preference, using heroin is a preference and smoking marijuana is a preference. Simply because some preferences are legal does not mean that all must be. The anti-preference crowd all seem to agree on that.

 

[TheNextEra]

Re: Gay Trauma

That is the entire point, "preference" is a state of mind, not a physical trait like gender or race. Polygamy is a preference, bigamy is a preference, using heroin is a preference and smoking marijuana is a preference. Simply because some preferences are legal does not mean that all must be. The anti-preference crowd all seem to agree on that.

And do you believe heterosexuality is a choice? Do you think you could CHOOSE to be homosexual and have the same feelings towards homosexuality as you do heterosexuality? If not, then it really isn't a choice is it?

 

[tessaesque]

Re: Gay Trauma

That is the entire point, "preference" is a state of mind, not a physical trait like gender or race. Polygamy is a preference, bigamy is a preference, SSM is a preference, drinking beer is a preference, using heroin is a preference and smoking marijuana is a preference. Simply because some preferences are legal does not mean that all must be. The anti-preference crowd all seem to agree on that.

So is heterosexual behavior a "preference" and, if so, at what point did you consciously weigh one against the other during pre-pubescence?

 

[Redress]

Re: Gay Trauma

There is no gene for sexual preference. That's my point. If there was a hetero gene, then ipso facto, the missing gene would prove biological causes for homosexuality. There is no sexual preference gene, therefore I cannot produce it. There is no genetic cause for homosexuality.

I assume that since you cannot produce evidence of genetic causes for homosxuality, then you concede the point?

There is no known gene for sexual preference, this is true. However, there is strong, though not g definitive, evidence of a genetic factor in orientation. Saying that there is no gene for sexual preference is simply speculation based on your hopes. Further, even if orientation is not genetic does not mean it is learned or a choice, nor does it remove the possibility of biological factors.

You are speaking from significant ignorance. Please fix that.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Re: Gay Trauma

And do you believe heterosexuality is a choice? Do you think you could CHOOSE to be homosexual and have the same feelings towards homosexuality as you do heterosexuality? If not, then it really isn't a choice is it?

I may prefer (choose) beer over marijuana, or the reverse, but that is not a "mandate" that my preferences (choices) must be accepted as my rights.