Gallup: Americans Rate Public School As The Worst Place To Get An Education

[The Prof]

Gallup: Americans Rate Public Schools the Worst Place to Educate Children | CNSNews.com

where can kids get an excellent education, gallup asks

31% say private school

21% name parochials, 17% name charters, 13% cite home schooling (LOL!

and only 5% name public school as the best place for kids to get excellently learned up

gallup surveyed 1000 adults, 83% of whom use or are trapped in the public schools they don't like

surveys of adults are always several points left of registered voter polls, which are also a few degrees left of likely's

Calculating 'House Effects' of Polling Firms - NYTimes.com

while republicans are rallying a nation to turn around our economy and fix our fiscal crises, obama (according to msnbc's print partner politico) is "shredding the final remnants of a venerable tradition in presidential politics: each party takes a break from campaigning during the other party’s convention"

"such a high-profile campaign swing---the first by a sitting president during his opponent’s convention in recent history---marks a counter-programming offensive that ends what traditionalists consider a last vestige of civility in an age of nonstop partisan combat"

R.I.P. convention truce - Byron Tau - POLITICO.com

obama is barnstorming with bunting in iowa, colorado and virginia this week, talking to students about his education policies

when it comes to breaking the failed public school monopoly over 83% of our kids, obama is simply more of the same

chris christie, who pushed teacher tenure reform thru his dark blue legislature in trenton, pronounced last nite---"they believe in teachers' unions, we believe in teachers"

americans' overwhelming displeasure with our public schools once more, as always, puts barack hussein obama on the wrong side of the electorate

and more, it demonstrates that the american people are wise to what's going on

obama depends on uninformed voters defeating their more linked in neighbors at the polls in november---good luck with that

bottom line---we can't afford it: STUDY: States over $4 trillion in debt | WashingtonExaminer.com

 

[samsmart]

Gallup: Americans Rate Public Schools the Worst Place to Educate Children | CNSNews.com

where can kids get an excellent education, gallup asks

31% say private school

21% name parochials, 17% name charters, 13% cite home schooling (LOL!

and only 5% name public school as the best place for kids to get excellently learned up

gallup surveyed 1000 adults, 83% of whom use or are trapped in the public schools they don't like

surveys of adults are always several points left of registered voter polls, which are also a few degrees left of likely's

Calculating 'House Effects' of Polling Firms - NYTimes.com

while republicans are rallying a nation to turn around our economy and fix our fiscal crises, obama (according to msnbc's print partner politico) is "shredding the final remnants of a venerable tradition in presidential politics: each party takes a break from campaigning during the other party’s convention"

"such a high-profile campaign swing---the first by a sitting president during his opponent’s convention in recent history---marks a counter-programming offensive that ends what traditionalists consider a last vestige of civility in an age of nonstop partisan combat"

R.I.P. convention truce - Byron Tau - POLITICO.com

obama is barnstorming with bunting in iowa, colorado and virginia this week, talking to students about his education policies

when it comes to breaking the failed public school monopoly over 83% of our kids, obama is simply more of the same

chris christie, who pushed teacher tenure reform thru his dark blue legislature in trenton, pronounced last nite---"they believe in teachers' unions, we believe in teachers"

americans' overwhelming displeasure with our public schools once more, as always, puts barack hussein obama on the wrong side of the electorate

and more, it demonstrates that the american people are wise to what's going on

obama depends on uninformed voters defeating their more linked in neighbors at the polls in november---good luck with that

bottom line---we can't afford it: STUDY: States over $4 trillion in debt | WashingtonExaminer.com

Except the reason why public schools are so crappy is because the degree of influence Texas conservatives have on textbooks used nationwide.

 

[lizzie]

Except the reason why public schools are so crappy is because the degree of influence Texas conservatives have on textbooks used nationwide.

Ummm, no. Public schools aren't crappy- they just don't have the authority to educate and disclipine kids anywhere near the degree that they used to. It's not the schools, not the teachers, and not the school boards. It's a societal and family structure problem. Wild and defiant children do not make good students. Inadequate parenting and apathy are the root problems.

 

[samsmart]

Ummm, no. Public schools aren't crappy- they just don't have the authority to educate and disclipine kids anywhere near the degree that they used to. It's not the schools, not the teachers, and not the school boards. It's a societal and family structure problem. Wild and defiant children do not make good students. Inadequate parenting and apathy are the root problems.

No, the reason why public schools are, indeed, crappy, is because the curriculum we teach them has been so politicized, and because high school textbooks is a for-profit industry.

 

[beerftw]

No, the reason why public schools are, indeed, crappy, is because the curriculum we teach them has been so politicized, and because high school textbooks is a for-profit industry.

wrong,when i went through school i had textbooks and science,history etc books from the 40s-50s when america had the best schools in the wold.

it has nothing to do with textbooks,it has to do with the doe forcing standardized tests and teaching for them instead of teaching kids to learn.we spend alot more than many countries per student yet we rank near the bottom of the civilized world.in the 90's i saw some fexibility with teachers,by the time i hit highschool i saw flexibility end and teaching what the book says.


i used to teach soldiers classes on automotive,and ill tell ya this,textbooks just teach you knowledge,but no one learns it unless you have a way to deliver it to them in a way they can learn.the method of teaching used to be at the schools and teachers discretion,now more than ever its by a book.this makes adaptive learning impossible and only caters to those who can learn from a book and ignores those who require interactive teaching.

 

[Carjosse]

Like the poster above said it's about teaching students how to learn, which is exactly what my English teacher said aswell. I would also like to know why in the U.S. public schools have become so terrible that no on wants to send their child to one but here almost everyone sends their kids to public schools even the prime minster does.

 

[lpast]

What this doesnt address is WHY...I dont disagree with the people that voted in this poll nor how they voted...the way the vote turned out is to be expected...First of all Parochial and Private schools have much smaller class size. The Parochial and Private schools are not under the same rules as public schools...and lastly they dont get the "PROBLEM" students...they get the students whose parents can afford it...if you ended public education and made it all private...then everyone would be voting that private schools suck..

 

[samsmart]

wrong,when i went through school i had textbooks and science,history etc books from the 40s-50s when america had the best schools in the wold.

it has nothing to do with textbooks,it has to do with the doe forcing standardized tests and teaching for them instead of teaching kids to learn.we spend alot more than many countries per student yet we rank near the bottom of the civilized world.in the 90's i saw some fexibility with teachers,by the time i hit highschool i saw flexibility end and teaching what the book says.


i used to teach soldiers classes on automotive,and ill tell ya this,textbooks just teach you knowledge,but no one learns it unless you have a way to deliver it to them in a way they can learn.the method of teaching used to be at the schools and teachers discretion,now more than ever its by a book.this makes adaptive learning impossible and only caters to those who can learn from a book and ignores those who require interactive teaching.

No, it has very much to do with the textbooks.

"Lies My Teachers Told Me" chronicles very well how badly textbooks for elementary schools and high schools educate our youth, and points out very good examples. I suggest reading it to get an idea of not just how poorly educated our youth are getting because of badly written textbooks but how miseducated they are getting as well.

 

[The Prof]

hs textbooks?

texas?

could the reference be to romeo and juliet?

to kill a mockingbird?

the odyssey, lord of the flies, fahrenheit 451?

the king james or the koran?

not reinhart and winston's lit and language arts

prentice hall's american govt?

glencoe's economics?

certainly not the prentice hall math texts i've been teaching out of for 10 years

nor those horrible cpm (college prep math) texts we were compelled to use the decade before, how the kids and half the math teachers hated em

i am still astonished how completely uninformed so many americans are, yet they still keep flapping those empty gums

more power to em, of course

stay up

either way, americans are fed up with their exorbitantly expensive and wasteful public schools and all those bloated teacher retirements (mine included)

and obama is stumping on double down, republicans demand real reform

seeya at the polls, pals

 

[Douglas_Smith]

The constitution guarantees that we have the right to an education but not necessarily a good one. You have to pay for the good education. The public schools are being used to turn out the many restaurant, grocery store and convenience store level employees required to serve the needs of the wealthy. The first thing you do when you hope to control the masses is controlling who can benefit from quality educations. The second is to divide the country so no true majority can ever be achieved. The third is to distract the people by emphasizing information and issues that don't really matter. How many households in this country still get their kids to treat news about the government as something that matters? A sizable portion of this country is so distracted by what Brittney Spears and Simon Cowell are doing that the government can almost do anything they want without worrying about want the people want.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

The constitution guarantees that we have the right to an education…

Really? Where, in the Constitution, does it say anything about education?

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

21% name parochials, 17% name charters, 13% cite home schooling (LOL!)

Not sure why 'LOL'. Smaller class size, personalized curriculum and methodology, and guaranteed motivation on the part of the teaching staff. I'd say homeschooling is the best possible option for families that have at least one functionally competent stay-at-home parent.

People need to learn that the public schools are welfare schools. We need them, to provide educations for those children whose parents can't provide educations for them... but like all welfare programs they should be options of last resort.

 

[Dragonfly]

What's the purpose of our schools in America? Is it to increase general intelligence? Is it to prepare our kids for higher education? Is it to provide a foundation for those who will be entering the work force? Is it to build mental skills?

I think our "system" of education has changed very little over the last few decades, while the rest of the world has changed dramatically.

We continue to teach as if a high school education will provide a skill set that can actually be used in the "real world".
We teach like a diploma from high school means the same thing that it did 50 years ago.

We are all painfully aware that such thinking is counter-productive to society.

The schools that excel are the schools that have radically altered how and what they teach to be more in line with current world and future world thinking.

This isn't the 1950's anymore. We need to stop basing our educational system on 1950's style ideology.

Today's high school graduates (not all - but the majority I feel) are about as "real world ready" as kids just finishing elementary school.

It's a shame. Something is broken.

 

[zstep18]

No, it has very much to do with the textbooks.

"Lies My Teachers Told Me" chronicles very well how badly textbooks for elementary schools and high schools educate our youth, and points out very good examples. I suggest reading it to get an idea of not just how poorly educated our youth are getting because of badly written textbooks but how miseducated they are getting as well.

You're right. I've read that book, and it is very interesting. And yes, many textbooks are poorly written.

But, I wouldn't say that textbooks are solely responsible for the problems of our problem school system.

 

[waas]

What's the purpose of our schools in America? Is it to increase general intelligence? Is it to prepare our kids for higher education? Is it to provide a foundation for those who will be entering the work force? Is it to build mental skills?

I think our "system" of education has changed very little over the last few decades, while the rest of the world has changed dramatically.

We continue to teach as if a high school education will provide a skill set that can actually be used in the "real world".
We teach like a diploma from high school means the same thing that it did 50 years ago.

We are all painfully aware that such thinking is counter-productive to society.

The schools that excel are the schools that have radically altered how and what they teach to be more in line with current world and future world thinking.

This isn't the 1950's anymore. We need to stop basing our educational system on 1950's style ideology.

Today's high school graduates (not all - but the majority I feel) are about as "real world ready" as kids just finishing elementary school.

It's a shame. Something is broken.

So you're saying it isn't public schools specifically that are the problem, it's the whole model?

 

[tessaesque]

I can't take any survey seriously that assumes homeschooling is better than public school in a general sense.

 

[tessaesque]

Except the reason why public schools are so crappy is because the degree of influence Texas conservatives have on textbooks used nationwide.

That's so far from reality it isn't even funny. Texas decisions affect education but they aren't to blame for systemic declines in every measurable aptitude. Texas changed the history text and the biology book. That's maybe 15% of the whole picture.

 

[LowDown]

Ummm, no. Public schools aren't crappy- they just don't have the authority to educate and disclipine kids anywhere near the degree that they used to. It's not the schools, not the teachers, and not the school boards. It's a societal and family structure problem. Wild and defiant children do not make good students. Inadequate parenting and apathy are the root problems.

Yes, and that situation does not lend itself to a recommendation to pour more and more money into public schools.

 

[LowDown]

The schools that excel are the schools that have radically altered how and what they teach to be more in line with current world and future world thinking.

There's not even a scintilla of truth there. The schools that excel are the ones that emphasize the basics: a basic curriculum and good discipline and order. And private schools have a very big advantage, which is that they can get rid of disruptive students.

 

[tessaesque]

There's not even a scintilla of truth there. The schools that excel are the ones that emphasize the basics: a basic curriculum and good discipline and order. And private schools have a very big advantage, which is that they can get rid of disruptive students.

I don't think Dragonfly's statement is that far off the mark. Schools that innovate tend to show higher student participation, better grades, and higher graduation rates than schools that rely on older methods or "teaching to the test". Schools that introduce new technologies in an appropriate manner can advance the development of critical thinking, technological acumen, and can play to a variety of learning styles that traditional teaching neglects.

I'm not advocating for departure from basic, fairly constant subject matter. But science changes, written word changes, history is reanalyzed (sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse). We have to adapt and readjust. And when educators are at a deficit because of familial decline and lack of support from parents, they have to respond by changing what they can control to get students interested again.

So no. It isn't enough to just "emphasize the basics". We have to adapt.

 

[LowDown]

I'm not advocating for departure from basic, fairly constant subject matter. But science changes, written word changes, history is reanalyzed (sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse).

Why on earth would a basic curriculum not include the most recent, updated material?

And when educators are at a deficit because of familial decline and lack of support from parents, they have to respond by changing what they can control to get students interested again.

I see no way to save the public schools. The teacher's incentives are so wrong there. They are prevented from enforcing good order in class and assessing student progress truthfully, and that, far beyond any issue of the curriculum and school books, makes education impossible. We should either give teachers and administrators enough authority to deal appropriately with disruptive students and report truthful grades or just give up on the whole project.

 

[zstep18]

We should either give teachers and administrators enough authority to deal appropriately with disruptive students and report truthful grades or just give up on the whole project.

So corporal punishment is going to solve the problem?

 

[jambalaya]

I say what is wrong is all of the above, textbooks, tenure, curriculum, parents, discipline. We ought to stop forcing kids to go to school and let the parents beg to have their kids accepted in school. Then make them sign an agreement for keeping their kids in school. Imagine how motivated parents might get if they didn't have the school to babysit their disrespectful, errant kids during the day.

 

[Carleen]

Gallup: Americans Rate Public Schools the Worst Place to Educate Children | CNSNews.com

where can kids get an excellent education, gallup asks

31% say private school

21% name parochials, 17% name charters, 13% cite home schooling (LOL!

and only 5% name public school as the best place for kids to get excellently learned up

gallup surveyed 1000 adults, 83% of whom use or are trapped in the public schools they don't like

surveys of adults are always several points left of registered voter polls, which are also a few degrees left of likely's

Calculating 'House Effects' of Polling Firms - NYTimes.com

while republicans are rallying a nation to turn around our economy and fix our fiscal crises, obama (according to msnbc's print partner politico) is "shredding the final remnants of a venerable tradition in presidential politics: each party takes a break from campaigning during the other party’s convention"

"such a high-profile campaign swing---the first by a sitting president during his opponent’s convention in recent history---marks a counter-programming offensive that ends what traditionalists consider a last vestige of civility in an age of nonstop partisan combat"

R.I.P. convention truce - Byron Tau - POLITICO.com

obama is barnstorming with bunting in iowa, colorado and virginia this week, talking to students about his education policies

when it comes to breaking the failed public school monopoly over 83% of our kids, obama is simply more of the same

chris christie, who pushed teacher tenure reform thru his dark blue legislature in trenton, pronounced last nite---"they believe in teachers' unions, we believe in teachers"

americans' overwhelming displeasure with our public schools once more, as always, puts barack hussein obama on the wrong side of the electorate

and more, it demonstrates that the american people are wise to what's going on

obama depends on uninformed voters defeating their more linked in neighbors at the polls in november---good luck with that

bottom line---we can't afford it: STUDY: States over $4 trillion in debt | WashingtonExaminer.com

Getting a good education in this country depends on where you live. The inequality in our school systems is the main reason that we keep slipping behind other countries. I live in NJ and we pay the highest real estate taxes in the country. But the areas where the schools are the best are in wealthier communities who pay the highest taxes and have the most students going on to college.
I don't pretend to know how to fix our education problems, but making funding more equal imo would help.

 

[zstep18]

There needs to be a way to reduce the concentration of high-need students at schools.