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What do you mean by "their ilk"? Please give me an answer without quoting scripture. Not everyone believes in that fantasy.leejosepho said:I at least know their ilk seems to be mentioned in Scripture:
“And the sovereigns of the earth, and the great ones, and the rich ones, and the commanders, and the mighty, and every slave and every *free man*, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, and said to the mountains and rocks, ‘Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him sitting on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb, because the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?’” (Revelation [of The Messiah] 6:15-17, emphasis added)
According to Webster, "ilk" is a Scottish term meaning something like "sameness".MiamiFlorida said:What do you mean by "their ilk"? Please give me an answer without quoting scripture. Not everyone believes in that fantasy.
For most Masons, that is essentially so. However, members who have advanced to higher degrees, and depending a bit upon what is here meant by "faith-based" would say quite differently if they were to break their oath of secrecy and even talk about things such as blood covenants. Yes, it is likely that "98% of the conspiracies you hear about Masons is pure bullshit", but the remaining percentage is not ... and the idea of a 'secret-society' is truly more than "just intriguing to people."FiremanRyan said:Freemasonry ... isnt very faith-based ... its kind of a social club that does a lot of community service and charity while giving strong support to their members.
I'm glad to see a brother Mason on the forum.gdalton said:As a mason I figured I should chime in here. I was very curious for a long time about Freemasons and wondered if all of these stories I had heard growing up where true, so I decided to find out for myself. I contacted my local lodge and petitioned to become a member. I was accepted and went through their initiations and I made it to the status of master mason. Yep it was that easy and any male above the age of 21 can petition to become a member at any lodge. They are not a "secret society", they have published lists of all their members so how can they be secret. The only secrets we have are our means of telling if a person is a mason through our symbols, handshakes, etc. We hold open lodges all the time so anyone who wants to come in and check us out can. Basically what Firemanryan said in his post best describes masons. We don't worship satan, we are not the NWO and I have yet to hear any political conspiracies being hatched. What we have done is raise money for various charities and help the community when ever possible. If you want a good example of what we do look no further then the Children’s Hospital which is run by the Shriners (you know the guys in tiny cars and funny hats) those are upper level masons and as you can see they are not worshiping satan either, they are helping sick children.
Oh yah and Leejosepho's bible quote has nothing to do with masons, notice the words "free men" came after words slave.
So, please excuse my ignorance, but what is the difference between the illuminati and the masons??gdalton said:As a mason I figured I should chime in here. ... ... If you want a good example of what we do look no further then the Children’s Hospital which is run by the Shriners (you know the guys in tiny cars and funny hats) those are upper level masons and as you can see they are not worshiping satan either, they are helping sick children.
Oh yah and Leejosepho's bible quote has nothing to do with masons, notice the words "free men" came after words slave.
I guess your question is rhetorical but I will try to answer anyways. At the core of all conspiracy theories lies the belief that everyone involved is either brainwashed, ignorant or in on the whole thing. There in lies the rub, any arguments posed by these individuals can not be believed. So even though I can sit here and tell you how good masons really are and all the good things they do you will still believe in your conspiracy. Just because some guy comes up with the idea that the world is controlled by some elite group doesn’t make it true. Hell I can say that the gays are purposely destroying the soil, so you can’t farm it or build on it, in an attempt to create giant landing strips for gay aliens. No one knows it could be true, but somehow I doubt it. My only suggestion is to find your local lodge and pay them a visit, see for yourself who these people are and then make up your mind.ban.the.electoral.college said:So, please excuse my ignorance, but what is the difference between the illuminati and the masons??
Honestly, I do not doubt that even most Masons know FreeMasonry as it appears from the outside. However, there are reasons those "funny hats" worn by the "upper level masons" are shaped and colored as they are ... and that kind of thing is just the tip of the iceberg:gdalton said:As a mason I figured I should chime in here ...
Uh, actually, the black helicopters concern me a bit more ...gdalton said:Holy crap, I hope your foil hat has two layers cause with all that info I'm sure they have a satelite beaming right at your house.:roll:
I do not necessarily believe *all* of that, for that article almost undoubtedly contains at least a bit of spin. But having read and heard and observed and experienced and come to see through many such kinds of things previously believed by me to be either harmless or even good (or accurate), I do know there is at least *some* substance there ... and I would gladly continue to consider anything anyone at all has to say either way on the matter of FreeMasonry.gdalton said:Actualy I'm sorry you read all of that stuff and believe it to be true, but since I can make no argument you will believe I'm afraid I don't know what else I can tell you.
Well, I know that there are 33 degrees of knowledge in the Masonic structure. The 33rd is reserved for only the most ambitious and accomplished. Quite a few world leaders historically have attained the 33rd, including exectives in the WHO, World Bank, and EU. So, how can any Mason really say beyond a doubt that the Mason's do not have an ambition to control the world. As it's appears they already do! Here's the conspiracy: The lower members are a front who do lots of the grunt charity work to promote the wholesome Mason image. While the few elite who are actually privilaged (i.e. illuminati) are the only ones who know the true ambition of the Mason's. Since you are not amongst this rank, there is no way you could possibly have the knowledge to argue against this point. George Bush's father, I believe was in the 33rd degree. And look where we are today.gdalton said:I guess your question is rhetorical but I will try to answer anyways. At the core of all conspiracy theories lies the belief that everyone involved is either brainwashed, ignorant or in on the whole thing. There in lies the rub, any arguments posed by these individuals can not be believed. So even though I can sit here and tell you how good masons really are and all the good things they do you will still believe in your conspiracy. Just because some guy comes up with the idea that the world is controlled by some elite group doesn’t make it true. Hell I can say that the gays are purposely destroying the soil, so you can’t farm it or build on it, in an attempt to create giant landing strips for gay aliens. No one knows it could be true, but somehow I doubt it. My only suggestion is to find your local lodge and pay them a visit, see for yourself who these people are and then make up your mind.
The lower members are a front who do lots of the grunt charity work to promote the wholesome Mason image. While the few elite who are actually privilaged (i.e. illuminati) are the only ones who know the true ambition of the Mason's. Since you are not amongst this rank, there is no way you could possibly have the knowledge to argue against this point.
Quite an omnipresent group wouldn't you say? Let's reiterate a few of those:MiamiFlorida said:... Some of the better known Masons:
Pres. William Taft, Sir Walter Scott, Anwar Sadat, Pres, Franklin Roosevelt, George Washington, Paul Revere, Pres. James Monroe, Thurgood Marshall, Gen. Douglas McArthur, Rudyard Kipling, Sam Houston, President Andrew Jackson, Winston Churchill, John Hancock, Samuel Gompers, Alexander Fleming, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, David Crockett, William "Buffalo Bill" Cody, Admiral Byrd, Walter Chrysler, John Wayne, President James Buchanan, James Audubon, Irving Berlin, Hugo Black, Mark Twain, Patrick Henry, Daniel Boone, James Doolittle, Mozart, Jim Bowie, Omar Bradley, Robert Burns, Napoleon Bonaparte, Kit Carson, Andre Citroen,Nat King Cole, William Douglas, President Gerald Ford, Henry Ford, Benjamin Franklin, John Paul Jones, Presiden James Garfield, President Warren Harding, Benito Juarez,Marquis de Lafayette, President William McKinley, Simon Bolivar, Pres. James Polk, Will Rogers, Pres. Theodore Roosevelt, John Phillip Sousa, Pres. Harry Truman, Booket T. Washington....
There are of course many, many more household names who belong to this august institution.
Completely different intentions.ban.the.electoral.college said:So, please excuse my ignorance, but what is the difference between the illuminati and the masons??
Well said.:2wave:guns_God_glory said:Completely different intentions.
As best I can recall, I have only ever personally known two Masons, and although I have seen neither for some time, I would not have hesitated to let either of those men borrow my lawnmower or take my children along with theirs for an afternoon at the park.gdalton said:... most of the masons I have met have been very good people and I have yet to see any crazy satanic rituals or plots to over throw the government ...
Your not a verry good mason telling people that you are run so it leaves me to believe you are not.gdalton said:As a mason I figured I should chime in here. I was very curious for a long time about Freemasons and wondered if all of these stories I had heard growing up where true, so I decided to find out for myself. I contacted my local lodge and petitioned to become a member. I was accepted and went through their initiations and I made it to the status of master mason. Yep it was that easy and any male above the age of 21 can petition to become a member at any lodge. They are not a "secret society", they have published lists of all their members so how can they be secret. The only secrets we have are our means of telling if a person is a mason through our symbols, handshakes, etc. We hold open lodges all the time so anyone who wants to come in and check us out can. Basically what Firemanryan said in his post best describes masons. We don't worship satan, we are not the NWO and I have yet to hear any political conspiracies being hatched. What we have done is raise money for various charities and help the community when ever possible. If you want a good example of what we do look no further then the Children’s Hospital which is run by the Shriners (you know the guys in tiny cars and funny hats) those are upper level masons and as you can see they are not worshiping satan either, they are helping sick children.
Oh yah and Leejosepho's bible quote has nothing to do with masons, notice the words "free men" came after words slave.
Plot to overthrow the government ??? They are the government.leejosepho said:As best I can recall, I have only ever personally known two Masons, and although I have seen neither for some time, I would not have hesitated to let either of those men borrow my lawnmower or take my children along with theirs for an afternoon at the park.
Dr. Stanley Monteith -- http://www.radioliberty.com/ -- is probably one of the most sane speakers I have ever heard on the matter of conspiracy. In so many words, he points out the foolishness of believing any one group is responsible for "everything" and/or of insisting all "secret societies" are in perpetual (if actually even any) communication with each other.
Bottom line? Dylan sang it: "Ya gotta serve *somebody* ..."
Personally, and "just to be safe", if nothing more, I have no affiliation with *any* organization of men.
Belonging to an organization, a fraternity or a religion does not immunize you from human frailties. Ask any Christian or Muslim.ban.the.electoral.college said:Quite an omnipresent group wouldn't you say? Let's reiterate a few of those:
Napoleon Bonaparte, Winston Churchill, Henry Ford, President Gerald Ford, Simon Bolivar, Harry Truman. It's safe to say one of these guy's wanted to own the world!