Freeing Workers from Union Bosses

[misterman]

in a supply/demand curve, when you raise the price of an item, what happens to demand?

What happens to demand when you decrease wages?

 

[Meathead]

What happens to demand when you decrease wages?

Demand for labor increases. Duh. This is not an opinion (what I think) btw.

 

[misterman]

Demand for labor increases. Duh. This is not an opinion (what I think) btw.

Well, no, because demand for the products they make has decreased because they don't have as much disposable income to spend on it.

 

[Meathead]

Well, no, because demand for the products they make has decreased because they don't have as much disposable income to spend on it.

No, because more people will have money with the increase of waged employees. Demand would decrease for high-end products but increase for others.

 

[sawyerloggingon]

Unions had there place in history as did the buggy wheel. Try putting a buggy wheel on a new F-250, see how that works. Unions have become an impediment to workers and the US economy. They are corrupt leeches on the working man and are more concerned with their jobs as highly paid union execs than they are with the working people they supposedly represent.

 

[misterman]

No, because more people will have money with the increase of waged employees. Demand would decrease for high-end products but increase for others.

So we need lots and lots of poor people and that will lead us to a better economy?

 

[misterman]

Unions had there place in history as did the buggy wheel. Try putting a buggy wheel on a new F-250, see how that works. Unions have become an impediment to workers and the US economy. They are corrupt leeches on the working man and are more concerned with their jobs as highly paid union execs than they are with the working people they supposedly represent.

How much have wages increased for the bottom 90% - which likely includes you and me and most people on this forum - in the last 30 years, after inflation? Do you know?

 

[Meathead]

So we need lots and lots of poor people and that will lead us to a better economy?

We need people to be productive. I would take any safe job to avoid getting on welfare or food stamps, and consistently try to improve my lot in life. Liberals have endowed America with an increasing dependance on entitlements which will ultimately leave everyone more impoverished. It pretty much started with LBJ's Great Society program. Look where it's gotten us.

 

[misterman]

We need people to be productive.

I know you mean full employment, but look at the larger picture: people are productive. Our economy is producing more.

But what do workers have to show for it? If they don't get a share of the growth in production, the growth won't be sustainable because they won't be buying the stuff they produce. The unemployed won't get jobs anyway, and wages will just fall even more.

I would take any safe job to avoid getting on welfare or food stamps, and consistently try to improve my lot in life. Liberals have endowed America with an increasing dependance on entitlements which will ultimately leave everyone more impoverished. It pretty much started with LBJ's Great Society program. Look where it's gotten us.

WTF does this have to do with entitlements?

 

[Meathead]

I know you mean full employment, but look at the larger picture: people are productive. Our economy is producing more.

But what do workers have to show for it? If they don't get a share of the growth in production, the growth won't be sustainable because they won't be buying the stuff they produce. The unemployed won't get jobs anyway, and wages will just fall even more.



WTF does this have to do with entitlements?

Ok, you asked me a question about spending power of the labor force and I answered it. That was economics 101. Now, as to what do food stamps and welfare have to do with entitlements, I'm not even going to bother.

 

[misterman]

Ok, you asked me a question about spending power of the labor force and I answered it. That was economics 101.

And I gave a better answer.

Now, as to what do food stamps and welfare have to do with entitlements, I'm not even going to bother.

What do food stamps and welfare and entitlements have to do with this thread?

 

[Meathead]

And I gave a better answer.



What do food stamps and welfare and entitlements have to do with this thread?

Ok MM, you gave a better answer.

I'll even concede that the government owes us a cushy living if we can leave it at that.

 

[misterman]

I'll even concede that the government owes us a cushy living if we can leave it at that.

This thread has nothing to do with the government owing us anything. Please get back on topic.

 

[haymarket]

Unions had there place in history as did the buggy wheel. Try putting a buggy wheel on a new F-250, see how that works. Unions have become an impediment to workers and the US economy. They are corrupt leeches on the working man and are more concerned with their jobs as highly paid union execs than they are with the working people they supposedly represent.

Human nature and basic greed manifested in the willingness to exploit the weak and powerless has not changed since the Gilded Age. The same reasons why we needed union then are still here with us today.

 

[Boo Radley]

Yeah, one TINY detail you missed. We're NOT China. We have worker's rights. Heck, we have HUMAN rights. Nice story, though.

True, but slave labor is much cheaper. You reduce the price significantly. So in the market place, to compete with China and the like, to keep it cost effective, maximize profits, meet the bottom line, slave labor would work better.

:coffeepap

 

[misterman]

Yeah, one TINY detail you missed. We're NOT China. We have worker's rights. Heck, we have HUMAN rights. Nice story, though.

And the reason we're not China, and have workers' rights, is...unions.

And we need to try not to turn back into China.

 

[Gary]

You have to look at those wages in comparison to the cost of living. 13 bucks an hour in CT isn't ****...but it's pretty good in SC, where you can buy a pretty nice house, on an acre or MORE, for under 80K.

South Carolina SC - Fast Facts

I showed you with links exactly how to compare wages from one state to another and even provided a breakdown of the cost of living index and a link to the housing index. I gave you links for all state taxes.

Now, if you read that, why do you go on with quoting me and pretending what I said isn't true. Use the data and prove it! A person with the same money can live better in my state, than they can in places like Mississippi or the deep South, whether they are renting or own a home. There isn't a sales tax or a regressive income tax in my state and it's developed here. The South is a perfect example of how not to manage the local economy and how to limit economic potential.

 

[Goshin]

I live in SC. I'mma tell you.... there are days I WISH I was a Union worker in a Union shop! Employers here can jerk you around like you would not believe.


Yeah, unions can be bad too, I know that. Lots of unions have been guilty of ridiculous excesses and killing the golden goose... but being ****ed with at will by your employers isn't any fun either.

Is there no "happy medium"??

 

[KevinKohler]

I live in SC. I'mma tell you.... there are days I WISH I was a Union worker in a Union shop! Employers here can jerk you around like you would not believe.


Yeah, unions can be bad too, I know that. Lots of unions have been guilty of ridiculous excesses and killing the golden goose... but being ****ed with at will by your employers isn't any fun either.

Is there no "happy medium"??

Yes.



A union who's power rests in the collective of the people IN said union...not who's powers are PROVIDED by the federal government.

 

[KevinKohler]

True, but slave labor is much cheaper. You reduce the price significantly. So in the market place, to compete with China and the like, to keep it cost effective, maximize profits, meet the bottom line, slave labor would work better.

:coffeepap

It would indeed. But the US, no matter our other faults, is not about to go back to slave labor, or even a reduction in safety or other labor laws, unions or not.

 

[NGNM85]

How about freeing workers from regular bosses?

 

[KevinKohler]

Those are what the GOP likes to call the "over-regulation" they want to destroy.

I don't know about, or speak for the GOP...I'm certainly not a republican...


But I CAN assure you that there is QUITE a lot of over regulation in our economy, that makes it VERY hard to new comers, IE, people who want to start a business. If you'd like, go ahead and start a new thread, and I can lay some of it on you...that have NOTHING to do with labor laws.

 

[KevinKohler]

Newt Gingrich has, and so have many others.

And you believe that Newt Gingrich is a shining example of your typical republican?

 

[misterman]

Yes.



A union who's power rests in the collective of the people IN said union...not who's powers are PROVIDED by the federal government.

Okay, wtf does that mean?

Unions are democratic. They elect their leaders.

 

[KevinKohler]

No. That is totally cart before the horse. Demand forces supply to happen. Supply is a reaction to demand. Demand is the boss.

It depends on the product...controlling supply can CERTAINLY up the demand for a product...but usually, ONLY if there is already SOME level of demand for said product present.