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Free Speech Dead In UK? [W:394]

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[h=1]Anti-Ground Zero Mosque campaigners Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer barred from entering Britain to speak at an EDL rally[/h]

[h=3]Theresa May said activists' presence in the UK would 'not be conducive to the public good'


[/h] Two of the people behind a campaign against the building of the “Ground Zero Mosque” in New York have been barred from entering Britain to speak at an English Defence League rally in London this weekend, it has been announced.
The Home Secretary Theresa May has told Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer, both of the anti-Islamic group Stop Islamization of America, that their presence in the UK would “not be conducive to the public good”. The decision, which they cannot appeal, will stand for between three and five years.
According to the Home Office, Mr Spencer and Ms Geller set up organisations “described as anti-Muslim hate groups” and, consequently, they have been told not to travel to Britain.

Anti-Ground Zero Mosque campaigners Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer barred from entering Britain to speak at an EDL rally - Crime - UK - The Independent

Did anyone see this coming??

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Damn..Does that mean no more yelling FIRE in crowded movie theaters too? That's so much fun.
 
Well, ok, lets look at it from 2 ways.

1. Yes, free speech is dead and the govt of the UK is a wimpy, muslim pandering, anti-british bunch of potatoes.

2. If the govt feels that it needs to take actions to prevent people whose presence in the country would be against the public good, then why go only based on preferences? Here's a list of people who should be barred as well, from the lowest in importance to the worst:

-all rappers and most pop artists and rock artists and holywood actors.
-all immigrants with penal record.
-all russian oligarchs that went in the UK to escape Putin's wrath, along with billions upon billions of $ stolen from the Russian people.
-all politicians. Keep all these slimy politicians out of the UK so that they can't harm the public with their stupid speeches and debates.

So add these categories of people along with the hate groups and then you officially protected the UK airwaves from any negative remarks. Or most.
 
This annoyed me only because we have had extremist muslim preachers in our country and we have let that go. Let them over and if they break the law arrest them but not to let them speak is a joke.
 
Grant said:
[h=1]Anti-Ground Zero Mosque campaigners Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer barred from entering Britain to speak at an EDL rally[/h]
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I don't know anything about Spencer, but Geller is vitriolic in the extreme.
Anyway, if the Brits don't want certain people in their country, so be it.
US radio host Michael Savage was banned a few years ago.
Unjustifiably, in my view, but again, Britain can do as they wish.
 
So, with its many, many calls for genocide, mayhem, slaughter, bloodshed and death, how can they allow anyone to proselytize Traditional Islam in the UK at all then?

Oh well, no one should loose their head over -- oh wait, that happened in the street a few weeks ago. So I guess that a behavior code that leads to a British citizen d getting his head hacked off is seen as "conducive to the public good."
 
The English Defence League, is a racist organisation whose main activity is street demonstrations against the Muslim community, and several of whose high profile activists recorded admitting their support for Anders Breivik's actions in killing 77 people in two terror attacks, (many of them teenagers).

The English Defence League | What is the EDL?

Pamela Geller, has been described by Haaretz as "one of America's most extraordinarily successful purveyors of unvarnished prejudice and unapologetic hatred."

Like fellow bigot, Michael Savage, before her, she is likely to disrupt the peace, and the Home Secretary was right, and had every right, to deny her the opportunity to combine with the criminal bigotry of the EDL. The creation of social unrest, and the incitement to hatred and violence, are not conducive to the well-being of any society.

So I would say that free speech is not dead in the UK, and neither is common sense.
 

Has nothing to do with free speech...but security and sovereignty of a nation. Funny how you dont complain about the 10s of thousands of people who are barred from entering the US...
 
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This annoyed me only because we have had extremist muslim preachers in our country and we have let that go. Let them over and if they break the law arrest them but not to let them speak is a joke.
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Extremist Muslim preachers are also banned from the UK. Your problem is those that are already in the country, not those trying to come in

Oh and also extremist Jews are banned.. so it is not a Muslim vs Christian thing

List of people banned from entering the United Kingdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A semi accurate list... there are most likely more. Love that they banned L. Ron Hubbard back in the day.. sadly they did not ban his criminal organisation.
 
I'm generally against banning these proselytisers of hatred from entering the country. I think if you let them speak and ensure they are properly debated their nonsense will be easily exposed. Having said that, I don't see it as the job of the British government to be concerned to protect the right of free speech of foreigners. If these Americans feel their rights are being infringed by being denied entry to the UK they should get their own government to take up their cause.

Those claiming that these right-wing Islamophobes are being given worse treatment than the vitriolic Islamist hate-mongers, then they probably need to ask those Islamist preachers sitting in Belmarsh prison how come they have it so good.
 
I seem to recall EDL Leader Tommy Robinson serving 10 months in prison for entering the US illegally.


I really don't know that much about Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer or if they have any criminal convictions or if the UK Authorities were even advised by the FBI and US Authorities in respect of letting them in to the UK.
 
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extremists all over England from Muslim extremists to the EDL, should of let these 2 in.
 
iguanaman said:
Damn..Does that mean no more yelling FIRE in crowded movie theaters too? That's so much fun.
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The parallel between the UK and a crowded theater may not be far off but of course if there is a fire then alerting others is probably a good idea.
 
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extremists all over England from Muslim extremists to the EDL, should of let these 2 in.
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Well, while I would have let them in, I can see the logic in saying, "we've got enough extremist nutters of our own without importing more". Weren't you complaining some time ago about the influx of 'foreign' Islamist extremists? What makes these two extremists special?
 
I don't think free speech is dead in the U.K. any more than a rock could be described as dead. After all, the rock was never alive to begin with.
 

Those people you mentioned are able to freely put forth their points of view in the US and there have been no negative consequences. But as the Brits are now walking on eggshells I suppose they have to be especially cautious. Even Winston Churchill was able to give his views on Islam and there was no demonstrations at all.
 
If people were not such enormous hypocrites and so afflicted by the politically correct brand of white guilt, perhaps they might show themselves capable of establishing consistant standars for what they consider "extremist". The bar they set is obviously in a far different place in one instance than it is another, for if the two people banned from entering Britain are "extremist" for the views they express, then the majority of Muslims living in Britain are extremist for theirs.
 

That wasn't a matter of free speech.
 
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That wasn't a matter of free speech.
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Neither are some US Bans :shock:

 

Were that the case, which it isn't, then if they were foreigners they wouldn't be allowed in either. If you look at that list of people banned from entering Britain you'll see that the many of them are Moslems. Different standards applying? I dunno. And neither do you.
 
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