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Britain and France will launch a broad defense partnership on Tuesday that includes setting up a joint force and sharing equipment and nuclear missile research centers, a French government source said.
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France and Britain will agree to set up a joint brigade-sized army contingent with air and sea support, which could assemble as needed to take part in NATO, European Union, United Nations or bilateral operations, the French source said.
British Defense Secretary Liam Fox confirmed the outlines of the agreement.
"We're talking about joint expeditionary forces with our forces in all three services working together to develop common practices, better inter-operability, and to look to see where we get better common equipment," Fox told BBC television.
Source: Reuters
This seems like it could serve as a potential step towards a single European military force. With the two major European military powers effectively operating as a single military force it will create incentives for other countries to join.
The French and Germans have had a brigade size unit for decades and it has not lead to a single European military force.
Plus the details are a bit iffy still on the overall agreement. The Brits and Frenchies are going to share Air Craft carriers.. but the Brits dont have any planes any more..
That was basically some land forces and nothing else significant. We're talking something far more comprehensive here.
"The Brits don't have any planes"? Do you even know what you are talking about?
Is this a bad thing?This seems like it could serve as a potential step towards a single European military force. With the two major European military powers effectively operating as a single military force it will create incentives for other countries to join.
And this will be "something" naval thing and the same as the Franco-German brigade.
All Harrier jump-jets have been scraped along with the Ark Royal. So yes, they dont have any jets (yet) for an aircraft carrier. They should get some new Eurofighters that can take off from French air-craft carriers, but not from (as far as I know) the ones the Brits are building.. yes it is a mess.
Is this a bad thing?
Source: Reuters
This seems like it could serve as a potential step towards a single European military force. With the two major European military powers effectively operating as a single military force it will create incentives for other countries to join.
PeteEU said:All Harrier jump-jets have been scraped along with the Ark Royal. So yes, they dont have any jets (yet) for an aircraft carrier. They should get some new Eurofighters that can take off from French air-craft carriers, but not from (as far as I know) the ones the Brits are building.. yes it is a mess.
Source: Reuters
This seems like it could serve as a potential step towards a single European military force. With the two major European military powers effectively operating as a single military force it will create incentives for other countries to join.
All Harrier Jets? By the way, how about our royal air force? What do you mean we "have no planes"? Will France be supplying our ownly aircraft carriers? Do we have none, even in reserve?
A united European military force .... ?
Anyone else suddenly feeling iffy about this joint military plan ... :doh
A united European military force .... ?
Anyone else suddenly feeling iffy about this joint military plan ... :doh
Rather have that, than Yanks and Canadians being stationed here. And technically we already have a "united European military force".. it is called NATO.
yes all Harrier jets according to what I have read and seen on the news. And we were discussing air craft carriers and the navy... Royal Navy jets cant land on them. And you have two air craft carriers being built atm, but no planes ordered for them (for now at least).
All Harrier Jets? By the way, how about our royal air force? What do you mean we "have no planes"? Will France be supplying our ownly aircraft carriers? Do we have none, even in reserve?
NATO does not impose restrictions on individual armies to act independantly outside the interests of the organization.
How many air craft carriers do we have in total now? And do we have no jets that can land on them?
UK scraps carrier aircraft for 10 years | The AustralianBRITAIN will lose the ability to fly jets from its aircraft carriers for 10 years, Prime Minister David Cameron announced last night.
The move was part of a push to slash the deficit.
The 80-strong fleet of Harriers will be decommissioned immediately, raising questions about Britain's ability to project force in overseas operations.
HMS Ark Royal, one of two ageing carriers from which the Harriers are the only jets that can operate, will also go out of service.
Two new carriers are to be built at a cost of pound stg. 5.2 billion ($3.2bn), but it is highly unlikely both will ever be at sea at the same time.
The defence review will mean no British jets will fly from their decks before 2020, although a last-minute modification means that French and US planes can use them from 2019.
Not the entire air force, it will have no naval fighters for around 4-7 years once the first new carrier is built. Only when the F35 naval version is delivered in the early 2020's will the UK have effectively an operational aircraft carrier. ( unless it buys some used F18, or F14s from the US)
Rather have that, than Yanks and Canadians being stationed here. And technically we already have a "united European military force".. it is called NATO.
How many air craft carriers do we currently have?
NATO does not impose restrictions on individual armies to act independantly outside the interests of the organization.
Talking about a European Army is putting the carriage before the horse. Who would control a multi-national European Army, and how would it be structured? Once those questions are answered and their answers actually put into effect, there's no reason to fear an EU Army.
First no one said an EU army..
As for control.. who controls NATO? If anything is going to be done, then it will be "NATOlike" organisation, since we dont have a "European State".
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