Fox news guest says trump voters should pay for border wall by crowdfunding it

[Praxas]

A lot of Trump supporters do get on a ladder every day, all these illegals hurt us but you don’t seam to care about fellow Americans


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Likewise Obamacare helps millions of people, but you don't care about your fellow Americans that need Obamacare. Cons, and especially Trump supporters, can go choke on their soapboxes.

 

[tres borrachos]

Obama paid dearly for breaking that promise.

May Trump pay as dearly for breaking his.

I don't think that Obama paid dearly for the promise of keeping the doctor. First off, no President should ever make that promise. Doctors come and go. I lost our family doctor 6 years ago - because she moved to another area.

According to what was released and analyzed back in 2012-2014 timeframe, 2.6 million people were forced off their old policies (which were deemed substandard) and forced onto new ones. Some of them came with a change in doctor. But not all - and probably pretty few.

Two changes I did note because of the ACA - my mammograms are now covered and not $$$$$ like they were, and our increases per year grew at a far lesser extent than in the decade prior to it. I wish the ACA did a lot more to contain costs, but I don't fault the Dems for it. The Republicans had a chance and they didn't do it either.

The ACA was a flawed law, and still is. But I personally don't think it was harmful to most Americans, and I think it actually helped most Americans. JMO.

 

[SLC]

Ummm - I got to keep my own doctor and my family has saved well over $2500 a year thanks to Obamacare. Who are these people who didn't get what President Obama promised? I am sure more people benefited from Obamacare than those who claim they didn't.

If Obamacare is so bad then why have so many politicians - including republicans - signed up for it?

You are very lucky then. A lot of people had their premiums go up. Here are the averages for each state for 2016-2017.

Here?s How Much Obamacare Premiums Are Rising in All 50 States | The Fiscal Times

 

[tres borrachos]

You are very lucky then. A lot of people had their premiums go up. Here are the averages for each state for 2016-2017.

Here?s How Much Obamacare Premiums Are Rising in All 50 States | The Fiscal Times

Premiums were going up every year before the ACA was passed. Can you post the years where everyone's insurance premiums decreased? Because I've had insurance since I was a young married adult, and they never went down. Ever. But they did go up less after the ACA was passed than in the year prior.

 

[Amelia]

I don't think that Obama paid dearly for the promise of keeping the doctor. ....

Obama lost the House in 2010.

Lost the Senate in 2014.

Handed the keys of the White House over to Trump in 2017.

That's a pretty steep price. Fueled by Obamacare.

 

[tres borrachos]

Obama lost the House in 2010.

Lost the Senate in 2014.

Handed the keys of the White House over to Trump in 2017.

That's a pretty steep price. Fueled by Obamacare.

Not sure why you truncated my post like that.

I know what the election results were. I wasn't arguing that he didn't lose the House in 2010 or the Senate in 2014. The rest of my post was relevant.

 

[Amelia]

Not sure why you truncated my post like that.

I know what the election results were. I wasn't arguing that he didn't lose the House in 2010 or the Senate in 2014. The rest of my post was relevant.

The rest of your post is about how Obamacare wasn't such a bad thing.

It was not relevant to the point I was making. That is why I truncated the post.



Obama and Democrats paid a HUGE price.

I hope Trump and Republicans pay as big of a price.

That is my point. My only point. I'm not going to argue about how good Obamacare was. Good or bad, Democrats paid for it bigtime. Trump and Republicans are acting like they're not going to pay for being worse by far than Democrats were in the Obama years. I hope they get pounded again and again for the horrific things they are doing, most of which are violations of promises.

 

[RAMOSS]

Those numbers are ticking up now with democrats funding caravans and party invitations.

You know that 'investor.com' is not a good site for accurate information when it comes to you know, news??

 

[Jaygodmedia]

Oh silly GOP will your un-american party ever recover from the fk job Trump has put in your brains...
SMH so sad.
https://www.debatepolitics.com/bias...ws-reports-post1069425078.html#post1069425078

 

[Helix]

A lot of Trump supporters do get on a ladder every day, all these illegals hurt us but you don’t seam to care about fellow Americans


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False.

 

[Helix]

I don't think he knows what a xenophobe is.

Apparently not.

 

[CMPancake]

Then I take it your one of these. white xenophobes

I'm not at all surprised you know the definition of xenophobia.

 

[tres borrachos]

The rest of your post is about how Obamacare wasn't such a bad thing.

It was not relevant to the point I was making. That is why I truncated the post.



Obama and Democrats paid a HUGE price.

I hope Trump and Republicans pay as big of a price.

That is my point. My only point. I'm not going to argue about how good Obamacare was. Good or bad, Democrats paid for it bigtime. Trump and Republicans are acting like they're not going to pay for being worse by far than Democrats were in the Obama years. I hope they get pounded again and again for the horrific things they are doing, most of which are violations of promises.

I don't know a single person who lost his or her doctor because of the ACA passage. You say you did - and I'm sorry for that. But the reality is, with the exception of a few Americans, most didn't. So again, my point was clear as well. They didn't pay a price or lose the Senate because of the "you can keep your doctor" promise, which I hope most people were smart enough to know that the POTUS shouldn't be promising anyway. It is not something that is controlled by anyone except the doctor. They lost the House and the Senate for many reasons, but I've never heard anyone say it was because of the doctor thing. And since most Americans didn't lose their doctor, it would be a stupid reason to vote against the party.

I voted for the Republicans in 2010, 2012 and 2014, and it had nothing to do with that promise.

 

[Amelia]

I don't know a single person who lost his or her doctor because of the ACA passage. You say you did - and I'm sorry for that. But the reality is, with the exception of a few Americans, most didn't. So again, my point was clear as well. They didn't pay a price or lose the Senate because of the "you can keep your doctor" promise, which I hope most people were smart enough to know that the POTUS shouldn't be promising anyway. It is not something that is controlled by anyone except the doctor. They lost the House and the Senate for many reasons, but I've never heard anyone say it was because of the doctor thing. And since most Americans didn't lose their doctor, it would be a stupid reason to vote against the party.

I voted for the Republicans in 2010, 2012 and 2014, and it had nothing to do with that promise.

You're being tedious. No, I didn't say I lost my doctor. I didn't even have a doctor. But some people did lose their doctors.

And when someone like the person that I was talking to brings up "if you like your doctor" that is shorthand for the bundle of lies which were wrapped into Obamacare.

If you say you haven't heard that Democratic losses were spurred on by one or more aspects of Obamacare then you haven't been listening.

Obama said typical families would save a lot on their premiums. My husband's premiums went up. This still influences him at the polls.




But Republicans' recent lies and abuses of power have been bigger than Democrats' lies were during the Obama years, so ... one last time ... I hope they suffer at least as big of consequences as Democrats did. They act like they don't think they're going to. I hope they're wrong.

 

[Amelia]

Schumer in 2014 attributing Democratic losses to Obamacare:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...the_change_we_were_hired_to_make_in_2008.html

Not framed how I framed it -- it would have been too much to have him cop to lies -- but even he, a Democrat, knew that Obamacare was a lead weight around Democrats' necks.

May Trump's lies and Republicans' destructive actions be a lead weight around their necks.

 

[Mr Person]

My only real beef with the wall, other than the imminent domain issues, is I don’t believe it makes economic sense as it will cost a ton of money to build and upkeep and still won’t stop the majority of illegals. But if somebody else wants to pay for it then be my guest.

That's the thing that kills me about this immigration issue.

Apart from a very few farrrrrr left people, nobody is for open uncontrolled borders. If we really cared about this - that is "politicians" instead of "we" - policies would aim at the employers of illegals; mandated e-verify, far stiffer penalties, far more resources devoted to prosecution, and the like. If nobody had a realistic prospect of actually getting a job as an illegal, the vast majority of what I will term Legitimate Illegals would not come here. And by "legitimate", I mean they come here simply because they want a better job.

We'd still get plenty seeking asylum, but that shouldn't be a surprise. There are a ton of places in the world where your life is genuinely in danger for any number of reasons.

(Of course, I'd also want to see our legal immigration processes streamlined and expanded. A few years back, I was shocked to learn that we'd recruited the help of locals in Afghanistan and Iraq, promised them citizenship, and just left them to die horrible deaths while they waited through 2-3 years of bureaucratic tape. And those were the ones I'd really want us to help. What about a normal person who just wants to immigrate because it's better to be here than in many other places?)

I'm entirely convinced that both parties likes the status quo. If they cared, they would do something that has a chance of working. They don't. At least I can credit Obama for taking those resources he was given and devoting them to getting rid of the worst.


But do we have a focus on sensible measures that will actually work and be affordable? Nope. Trump stops Obama's policy of focusing deportation resources on violent criminals and switches to a deport-anyone-we-find policy, which results in less violent illegals being deported and more otherwise law-abiding illegals being deported given the simple fact of finite resources. And....

...yes....

...he wants a big, expensive, and quite ****ingly stupid wall.

 

[Nickyjo]

I like it, I say we also apply that standard to the Left's pet projects as well. Want "free" college and healthcare? Crowd fund it through voluntary transactions rather applying more pressure on the middle class.

Why stop at free college? Let all local schools be crowd funded. Ridiculous. School and healthcare are not pet projects of the left.

But there might be some appeal for this. One could have their name on a brick or panel in return for a donation. If the name was etched into the concrete, it could be useful as footholds for climbers.

 

[ecofarm]

Why stop at free college? Let all local schools be crowd funded. Ridiculous. School and healthcare are not pet projects of the left.

But there might be some appeal for this. One could have their name on a brick or panel in return for a donation. If the name was etched into the concrete, it could be useful as footholds for climbers.

Not just name. Anything one wants. And one can buy the Mexico-facing side.

 

[celticwar17]

well, if you are too good to chip in, then enjoy migrant agricultural labor.

Your comment makes no sense. And you've been ignoring all the content in my posts... You shouldn't even reply if you got nothing to contribute.

I don't find fruit picking any more or less of a job I don't want than working at mcdonalds.

 

[SLC]

Or make sure corporations and millionaires pay the same tax rate as the middle class and give back to the society that allows them to thrive.

When the US government taxes GM how do you think GM recoups that business expense? You do realize that millionaires on average pay 30% of their income. And households making $100,000 pay 19% .

The CRS report, by Thomas L. Hungerford, a specialist in public finance, found that to be true: Millionaires, on average, paid about 30 percent of their income in federal taxes, while households earning less than $100,000 paid closer to 19 percent.

 

[tres borrachos]

You're being tedious. No, I didn't say I lost my doctor. I didn't even have a doctor. But some people did lose their doctors.

And when someone like the person that I was talking to brings up "if you like your doctor" that is shorthand for the bundle of lies which were wrapped into Obamacare.

If you say you haven't heard that Democratic losses were spurred on by one or more aspects of Obamacare then you haven't been listening.

Obama said typical families would save a lot on their premiums. My husband's premiums went up. This still influences him at the polls.




But Republicans' recent lies and abuses of power have been bigger than Democrats' lies were during the Obama years, so ... one last time ... I hope they suffer at least as big of consequences as Democrats did. They act like they don't think they're going to. I hope they're wrong.

And you keep ignoring what I posted. That part of my post you truncated only had to deal with the promise of keeping the doctor. Nothing about increased premiums. Nothing at all. One more time. And I also never said the losses had to do with the passage of the ACA. I said - quite clearly - that the losses had nothing to do with the doctor promise.

And are you going to say your husband's insurance premiums didn't increase before the ACA was passed? Because that would make him pretty much the only person in the entire country who didn't see his premiums increase before the passage of the ACA.

 

[SLC]

It's not the tax rate that's the problem, millionaires have a higher rate. It's all the write-offs, loopholes and deductions. Basically can bring their rates down to zero.

Millionaires AVERAGE 30% taxes.

 

[Nickyjo]

When the US government taxes GM how do you think GM recoups that business expense? You do realize that millionaires on average pay 30% of their income. And households making $100,000 pay 19% .

Gee, in that case I’d rather pay 30% than 19%.

 

[Atomic Kid]

Not the worst idea. it would certainly show just how popular the wall is. If they can raise the tens of billions to build and maintain it.

https://www.newsweek.com/crowdfunding-should-pay-trumps-border-wall-fox-news-guest-1261650

Great! Then they would have themselves a whole new Trump rally chant. Who's going to pay for the wall? We are!!

 

[SLC]

And you keep ignoring what I posted. That part of my post you truncated only had to deal with the promise of keeping the doctor. Nothing about increased premiums. Nothing at all. One more time. And I also never said the losses had to do with the passage of the ACA. I said - quite clearly - that the losses had nothing to do with the doctor promise.

And are you going to say your husband's insurance premiums didn't increase before the ACA was passed? Because that would make him pretty much the only person in the entire country who didn't see his premiums increase before the passage of the ACA.

But Obama said the ACA would make premiums go down he also said if you like your insurance you could keep your insurance. The you can keep your doctor, you can keep your insurance and your premiums will go down are three lies that Obama told the public to sell them on the ACA.