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Fox news guest says trump voters should pay for border wall by crowdfunding it

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I like it, I say we also apply that standard to the Left's pet projects as well. Want "free" college and healthcare? Crowd fund it through voluntary transactions rather applying more pressure on the middle class.

Well, if the people vote for the government to use their tax dollars for something that's different from if the people vote for the guy who promised Americans would not have to pay for something and then threatens to shut down the government if Americans don't pay for it after all.
 

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another thing that scared white xenophobes can do is to take the agricultural and service industry jobs that Central Americans are currently doing for a pittance. let's get some of these angry Trumpsters up on ladders so that they can get to fruit picking.
 

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another thing that scared white xenophobes can do is to take the agricultural and service industry jobs that Central Americans are currently doing for a pittance. let's get some of these angry Trumpsters up on ladders so that they can get to fruit picking.

What color are you?
 

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I like it, I say we also apply that standard to the Left's pet projects as well. Want "free" college and healthcare? Crowd fund it through voluntary transactions rather applying more pressure on the middle class.

Or make sure corporations and millionaires pay the same tax rate as the middle class and give back to the society that allows them to thrive.
 

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I like it, I say we also apply that standard to the Left's pet projects as well. Want "free" college and healthcare? Crowd fund it through voluntary transactions rather applying more pressure on the middle class.

!!!!!! THISSSS!!!!

This was an interesting discussion I had with a Friend.

There are 2 schools of Thoughts - (Generically)

Republicans/Rights - Small Government, Capitalism, low taxes.

Democrats/Left - Big Government, Socialism. High Taxes.


Why do we have TO CRAM down political policies when a NEW White House changes..... Here is an example. Right NOW Trump is in office, LOTS of Democrats DONT like his policies. Why dont we "Crowdfund" then, You all Want socialized health care, you are registered democrat or believe in it. THEN YOU pay a separate tax and pay a separate program.

You are Republican, you want small government lower taxes. Pay in, BUT you dont get all the subsidies that like welfare medicade etc.

Why do I have to fight with Democrats over ACA, I dont want it....
Democrats Want to Tax the rich. Well if they are registered Democrats and Celebrities... then they can pay 80% taxes (or whatever) to help fund other socialist programs like medical for all and free colleges.....


this is a TOTAL Dream of course. But Put up or shut up......

We want that wall instead of paying 100 MILLION in a Senate race in Texas, How about you can pay it for socialized Medical for your Democratic Constituents.

All that campaing donations from lobbyist should go to it.... Funny thing though......

things Repubs want is for the greater good of Majorities. (Wall Funding, Military, Lower Taxes) Benefits everyone

ACA benefits preexisting conditions the most at everyone else's expense.

Universal Health..... Its universal, but there are those that take better care of themselves or dont believe in medicine...how does it help them when the have to pay higher taxes?

Free College Tuition, I never went to College and I make more money than most of my college graduated friends...... Yeah how does pay more taxes help me or people similar?


Funny...how the Hypocrisy...is right there in their face?
 

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Or make sure corporations and millionaires pay the same tax rate as the middle class and give back to the society that allows them to thrive.

We have one of the most progressive tax rates in the world, millionaires already pay a higher tax rate than the middle class. You could tax the top 1% at 100% and still not be able to fund everything Democrats want.
 

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Or make sure corporations and millionaires pay the same tax rate as the middle class and give back to the society that allows them to thrive.

It's not the tax rate that's the problem, millionaires have a higher rate. It's all the write-offs, loopholes and deductions. Basically can bring their rates down to zero.
 

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another thing that scared white xenophobes can do is to take the agricultural and service industry jobs that Central Americans are currently doing for a pittance. let's get some of these angry Trumpsters up on ladders so that they can get to fruit picking.

lol... So you like the caste system of illegal immigrants to support our corporate fruit industry...

How... ruthlessly capitalistic you are xD
 

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"U.S. Customs and Border Protection officers at the ports of entry recorded 6,833 inadmissible aliens trying to enter. The Border Patrol, meanwhile, nabbed 18,198 people who had sneaked across the border.

The combined number of 25,031, while the highest under Mr. Trump, is lower than any month under Mr. Obama dating back to December 2011.

When considered on a year-to-year basis, the gains are indeed stunning. In July 2016, the Border Patrol nabbed 33,737 illegal immigrants — 85 percent more than this year’s total."

Illegal immigrants cost taxpayers nearly $750 billion over lifetime: Report

The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers

"This report estimates the annual costs of illegal immigration at the federal, state and local level to be about $113 billion;"

Exclusive - Trump border 'wall' to cost $21.6 billion, take 3.5 years to build: internal report

In a sense the the wall has already been paid for four times over simply by illegal immigration being down by 80%.

And by the lack of money flowing from the US to Mexico by that 80%...they have paid for the wall, enforcement, healthcare. etc. and will continue to do so.

New: A look at the 8 border wall prototypes

Do you have locks on your house, car, windows? Do you bother to lock your phone or PC? If the answer is no to any of these of these then at least consistency is your friend if not basic security and sense. Why should the USA not be able to control their borders?

Do you have children? Do you mind if a drug dealer comes in through a hole in the floor or unlocked window. Do you mind if your children are taken and sold to a human trafficking ring?

Many on the border do mind and prefer a little more security rather than chasing illegals off their land and risk cartel encounters.

Presentation of data from the World Bank and U.S. Census Bureau.

Illegal Border Crossings Are Down, And So Is Business For Smugglers
"One human smuggler, who gives his first name as Orlando, said his business is worse than he's ever seen it. He blames the Trump administration's increased emphasis on border security and enforcement of federal immigration laws.

"There's a lot more security on the river," says the 28-year-old, whose nickname is El Lobo, or the Wolf in Spanish. He doesn't want to give his full name because what he does is unlawful, though he agrees to an interview at a McDonald's in central Matamoros, Mexico, across from Brownsville, Texas. He's wiry with a dark complexion and a habit of constantly checking his cellphone.

"With the change in administration on that side, it's heated up: There are more agents, more dogs, more trucks, more boats. We have to charge more, and fewer people want to cross."

In the Rio Grande Valley of Texas — the nation's hot spot for human smuggling — apprehensions of illegal border crossings have fallen 75 percent since January to less than 4,000 in April, according to the Department of Homeland Security."

Those numbers are ticking up now with democrats funding caravans and party invitations.
 

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I like it, I say we also apply that standard to the Left's pet projects as well. Want "free" college and healthcare? Crowd fund it through voluntary transactions rather applying more pressure on the middle class.


An expensive but useless wall is not comparable to healthcare or public education.

Still, you get 1 point for being the first person I've seen suggest that the provision of healthcare and public education are mere "pet projects". Oy vey...

:doh
 

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Why do I have to fight with Democrats ?

Because they m u s t control you.

"At a time when Republicans are being shot, stabbed, doxxed, beaten, mailed powder, run out of restaurants, and sent death threats, Hillary Clinton urges Democrats to be even more uncivil. "
 
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