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Fox News: A 24/7 Political Operation

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Fox News: A 24/7 Political Operation


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Washington, D.C. - Today, after Fox News responded to White House criticism with the demonstrably false defense that, unlike the network's "editorial" programs, its "news" programs are straight and objective, Media Matters for America released a video demonstrating that Fox News' dayside programming unquestionably echoes the tones, themes, and content of its evening opinion programming. In fact, the parallels are so clear that the network's daytime anchors often seem to be taking direct marching orders from their colleagues like Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity.
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Media matters? Really? What next are you going to go to iran to ask about how biased jews are next? :lol:
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Media matters? Really? What next are you going to go to iran to ask about how biased jews are next? :lol:
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That is in no way substantive, and addresses nothing in the video. I am left wondering the point? That you don't approve of the source? Isn't that the criticism of Fox viewers, that they only take news and information if it's served up with the correct spin?


Unless you can point to something false - like they cut the snips to eliminate phrases in the middle of sentences, or they clipped together non-contiguous phrases, so that it sounds like a person made a statement they did not, then a valid criticism is not, Really? Media Matters?


The answer is no - it is FOX NEWS VIDEO. Look how the 'news' bots serve up what the 'opinion' hosts dished out the night before. There is no line b/w one and the other. The opinion people generate talking points for the rest of the crowd.
 
j-mac said:
I am sure that Media Matters says the same of MSNBC no?


j-mac
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I am sure that they don't; however whether or not they do has nothing to do with the FOX NEWS VIDEO CLIPS above.
 
jackalope said:
I am sure that they don't; however whether or not they do has nothing to do with the FOX NEWS VIDEO CLIPS above.
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:rofl yeah, I am sure they don't either, which is the point isn't it? :rofl


j-mac
 
hazlnut said:
Fox News: A 24/7 Political Operation


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This is going to be fun... Your claim is that the news programs on Fox are not objective, and insert opinion in with the facts.

First up in the video, was the issue with Safe School czar Kevin Jennings. What the news shows said was what was believed at the time, to be the facts, with absolutely no opinion added.

They believed the boy to be 15, because that is what Jennings said in this audio tape of a speech he gave. When it was discovered that the boy was 16, Fox issued a correction in their story concerning his age, and also did an entire story on that former students defense of Jennings.
FAIL

Next up, the infamous "Death book". The first 2 news clips were of a female news anchor and of Chris Wallace hosting Fox News Sunday. I don't see any blurring of news and opinion in either one of those clips. The third clip is also of Chris Wallace, but this time he wasn't anchoring Special Report, or hosting Fox News Sunday. He was being interviewed on Fox News Across America about the contents of the book, based on what he had read. This is a situation where he was asked as a guest, his understanding of the contents of the book, which is entirely appropriate. Every morning news program in America invites guests to interpret and opine on subjects all the time. It would be the same as the today show interviewing Brian Williams, and Williams discussing that book. Media Matters tried to make their readers falsely believe that Wallace was commenting on that book when anchoring the news or hosting his Sunday morning political show.
FAIL

The rest of the video doesn't address specific issues where opinion comes into play. If you object to any of what I didn't address, just point out the problem you see, and I'll address it tomorrow.

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All I know is that without my Fox News I would MISS those gripping high speed car chases.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Media matters? Really? What next are you going to go to iran to ask about how biased jews are next? :lol:
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Appeal to Ridicule... I'm surprised Rev. I know you're smart enough to actually address the point made by the video which is although FNC claims its mid-day 'News' programming is fair and balanced, too often the editorial and opinion content from the other FNC shows spills over to the so-called news shows.

This technique of Fox repeating talking points throughout the day is well documented.

My position is not that any one talking point is valid or not, but that a news network has to be disciplined about separating the new and editorial content. FNC continues to blur the line in way that makes them less credible overall.

I like Bret Baier and usually turn him own right when I get home. However, when I see his time being used by the network to interject something that is obviously Hannity/Beck far-right propaganda, I am disappointed. Shepard Smith is much better at side-stepping this and doing a straight news show.

I will continue to tune into specific FNC shows to hear a different perspective. But I do so, knowing full well what I'm watching.
 
hazlnut said:
but that a news network has to be disciplined about separating the new and editorial content. FNC continues to blur the line in way that makes them less credible overall.
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Do you find MSNBC meets your expectations with respect to separating news and editorials?.. functioning minds want to know!
 
j-mac said:
:rofl yeah, I am sure they don't either, which is the point isn't it? :rofl


j-mac
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No, j-mac, it seems like the point is you refuse to address the topic of the thread. In the video, clips of FNC mid-day so-called straight news hosts are show interjecting partisan propaganda content from the FNC 'opinion' shows. They present these stories as news--journalistic integrity be damned.

Do you agree that it is important for a news organization to not blur or blatantly cross the line between editorial and news?

And to all the partisan hacks who would throw out MSNBC -- get up early and watch Morning Joe.
 
ConservaBill said:
Do you find MSNBC meets your expectations with respect to separating news and editorials?.. functioning minds want to know!
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Haha

All these views, though, about blurring lines and so forth - can only be drawn in the sand once someone's watched an entire day (at least one) worth of Fox and other news.

And I just don't have time for that. Holy poo! If I had an entire day to sit in front of the TV I definitely wouldn't be tuning into the news - I'd be fixated on Mel Gibson's heavenly ass in Braveheart - fantasizing about what's under that kilt!

*fans self*
OOOOOOOH!

Brad Pitt in Fightclub, Mel Gibson in We Were Soldiers, even Ron Perlman in Hellboy, Woody Harrelson in Natural Born Killers. . . I can go on as long as that carchase last week.
 
ConservaBill said:
Do you find MSNBC meets your expectations with respect to separating news and editorials?.. functioning minds want to know!
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Okay, functioning mind. You're on.

Show me examples of Olbermann/Maddow opinion content leaking into the MSNBC mid-day shows--that is, where a straight new host presents opinion as news.

Overall, MSNBC is left-leaning. Sure. No argument. The blatant line-crossing that goes on at FNC, I don't see it.

Sure, Chris Mathews is an Obama-phile. But the point you and other FNC apologists are missing, is that when you tune into the Hannity/Beck or Maddow/Olbermann -- you know what you're getting.

When that opinion/editorial content finds its way into straight news content throughout the day... It's crap.

If Bret Baire had Beck on as a guest and interviewed him about some asinine comment he made, that would be one thing. But when Baier and others just repeat editorial and opinion content--regurgitate really, then it's NOT NEWS.

You want come up with an intelligent way to score the integrity of a network then do a week long comparison of FNC and MSNBC... Let's go!
 
Oftencold said:
Jack, look at the ratings for Fox and accept defeat and repudiation with good grace.
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The Beverly Hillbillies is an American television sitcom. It ranked among the top 12 most watched series on television for seven of its nine seasons, twice ranking as the #1 series of the year, with a number of episodes that remain among the most-watched television episodes of all time.

great company you guys keep.
 
hazlnut said:
Appeal to Ridicule... I'm surprised Rev. I know you're smart enough to actually address the point made by the video which is although FNC claims its mid-day 'News' programming is fair and balanced, too often the editorial and opinion content from the other FNC shows spills over to the so-called news shows.

This technique of Fox repeating talking points throughout the day is well documented.

My position is not that any one talking point is valid or not, but that a news network has to be disciplined about separating the new and editorial content. FNC continues to blur the line in way that makes them less credible overall.

I like Bret Baier and usually turn him own right when I get home. However, when I see his time being used by the network to interject something that is obviously Hannity/Beck far-right propaganda, I am disappointed. Shepard Smith is much better at side-stepping this and doing a straight news show.

I will continue to tune into specific FNC shows to hear a different perspective. But I do so, knowing full well what I'm watching.
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Obama and MSNBC Media Bias: Coverage Positive towards Democrats, Negative towards Republicans | Suite101.com


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MSNBC



Cleanup on aisle three, seems to be some spillover. :lol:
 
Oftencold said:
Jack, look at the ratings for Fox and accept defeat and repudiation with good grace.
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???

WTF are you talking about? Have you followed the thread at all? Or do you see Fox and MSNBC and just scream "We win!"

Besides, if the far-right lunatic conspiracy theory about ALL other news outlets having a liberal bias is true... Then you're getting your ass handed to you. Add up the numbers of all the other networks combined.

Choke on it, Sparky.

Even with the expansion of cable television--CNN, FOX are still just blips on the screen compared to ABC/NBC/CBS...
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Obama and MSNBC Media Bias: Coverage Positive towards Democrats, Negative towards Republicans | Suite101.com


:lol:





MSNBC



Cleanup on aisle three, seems to be some spillover. :lol:
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You have got to be kidding. Really... that is your proof? :lol:

Show me visible evidence that opinion shows on CNN and MSNBC spill out into their news. Not some article in which the "Pew You" organization got 4 zit faced teennagers to decipher what is bias and what is not for a one month time period. Please, Rev! :doh
 
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Middleground said:
You have got to be kidding. Really... that is your proof? :lol:

Show me visible evidence that opinion shows on CNN and MSNBC spill out into their news. Not some article in which the "Pew You" organization got 4 zit faced teennagers to decipher what is bias and what is not for a one month time period. Pease, Rev! :doh
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as soon as you all show me the same for fox that didn't come from a media matters hack.


Jeesh, :doh
 
hazlnut said:
???

WTF are you talking about? Have you followed the thread at all? Or do you see Fox and MSNBC and just scream "We win!"

Besides, if the far-right lunatic conspiracy theory about ALL other news outlets having a liberal bias is true... Then you're getting your ass handed to you. Add up the numbers of all the other networks combined.

Choke on it, Sparky.

Even with the expansion of cable television--CNN, FOX are still just blips on the screen compared to ABC/NBC/CBS...
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Hey, Hazelnut... did you know that Michael Moore is the most successful documentary maker of all time? Yup, he is. It must be because his message is 100% truth, that he's soooo popular and that he speaks to "the people."
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
as soon as you all show me the same for fox that didn't come from a media matters hack.


Jeesh, :doh
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Watch the video. Whether it comes from Media Matters or some punk-assed blog, there's nothing photoshopped or hacked about it. It's 100% pure unadulterated Fox, baby!
 
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