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Flynn charged with one count of making false statement[W:253]

Re: Flynn charged with one count of making false statement

cuban smokes said:
well goddamn it, it sure as **** should be ................
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You would personally be amazed at who gets arrested then.
 
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Chomsky said:
Throughout this, I've tried to keep an open mind.

But now that the instigation has not just found, but convicted crimes by the administration, for the first time there are distinct possibilities this could go to Trump's family and even Trump himself.

We shall see.
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Indeed:

Mr Person said:
As part of a plea deal, former national security adviser Michael Flynn has admitted that a senior member of the Trump transition team directed him to make contact with Russian officials in December 2016.

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Flynn is the fourth former Trump associate to face charges in the investigation, the first who actually served in Trump’s White House. He has been under investigation for a wide range of allegations, including lobbying work on behalf of Turkey, but the fact that he was charged only with a single count of false statements suggests he is cooperating with Mueller in exchange for leniency.


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"White House lawyer Ty Cobb sought to distance the plea from Trump himself, saying, ‘‘Nothing about the guilty plea or the charge implicates anyone other than Mr. Flynn.’’"

Former Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn charged in Russia investigation - The Boston Globe
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I'd be rather surprised if the President-elect, though not in office yet, would have no knowledge of such a major action by a senior transition team member. It may not be a necessary inference that he knew, but it's a pretty reasonable one.

Still, my increasingly cynical outlook tells me that Trump supporters will insist that it is our duty to treat it as a necessarily false inference unless and until Trump tweets a video of himself ordering the senior transition team member to order Flynn to do it; that, short of that, they will simply say there's no "proof" that Trump knew.
 
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Absentglare said:
No, Flynn has testified that it was President Trump who asked him to contact the Russians.

This is not like Scooter Libby.
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He has??
 
Trump really dodged a bullet when he fired Comey for not letting Flynn off the hook, eh?

*phew*
 
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Right, and not "blanket immunity," but "use immunity." One lie, and you go in for the all day...
 
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Chomsky said:
But don't conflate this current technicality with future possibility.
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But it's more than that. Brian Ross makes a dubious claim, it's picked up by reuters, cnn, the media, et al. people now thing flynn will say trump directed him directly. thats what they will ride even as they quietly change the story to "Senior official", mark my words even if it's found out who it actually was you will have a core group here who will always repeat now, that flynn was ordered by trump directly.



edit: now it's kushner.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/arti...-said-to-have-ordered-flynn-to-contact-russia
 
Chomsky said:
Good assessment.

It will be interesting seeing if Trump will go even more loosie-goosie, or he'll clam up. I sensed his recent several days of tweets seemed even more erratic than usual, and I attributed it to the news last week that Flynn had severed legal ties with Trump.

Should he be dirty, Trump's only workable defense here will be political. He will need to hold the GOP Congress hostage via his base. I expect his pandering to the base to not just continue, but escalate.
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On January 23, 2016, Trump caused a bit of controversy with “sane folks” when he stated the following during a campaign rally in Iowa:

I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters.
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I totally believe that’s true. Trump’s base, they don’t care. They really don’t.
 
Re: Flynn charged with one count of making false statement

A maximum sentence of 5 years

Just a slap on the wrist...

IMHO, anyone working in the high levels of gov't should be held to a higher standard.
 
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poweRob said:
Pence. Head of the transition team. Being that a high official of the transition team ordered flynn according to flynn. Could be Pence.
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That could be problematic in the long run.

How likely is it the GOP Congress will not just remove the President, but also the VP?

It would destroy them as a party, killing them in the next elections. I don't think they'll do it. If Mueller really pushes to the absolute end, and I think he might, despite it sounding hyperbolic we may be heading to Constitutional crisis. I hope not.
 
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Fraggle Rock said:
:lamo Conservatives don't get it Flynn plead to a lessor charge. These last 4 have been the appetizers. The side dishes are next...Kushner and Don Jr. are next. Why do you think Mueller grilled Kushner for several hours prior to charging Flynn. Another spider caught in the trap. O, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive! Keep believing it is nothing.8 years of Barry and how many took a perp walk from his admin....
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. 10 months in this guy has two and another two in the oven :lamo:lamo You Conservatives kill me
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How come not one of the four have been charged with, nor threatened to be charged with being in cahoots with the Russians?
 
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apdst said:
Irrelevant. You said that contact is illegal. If it's illegal, Obama broke the law. Yes?

So did Clinton...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...ary-clinton-united-nations-meeting/index.html
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First of all, no, that is not what I said. Second, even if I did say that, it wouldn't matter because it would be wrong.

Facts (like the letter of the law) matter more than opinions and incorrect citations posted on the internet by members of the general public.
 
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poweRob said:
This **** is getting as goofy as a monty python skit.
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Just like I told MovingPictures, there's one helluva' movie here!
 
Removable Mind said:
On January 23, 2016, Trump caused a bit of controversy with “sane folks” when he stated the following during a campaign rally in Iowa:



I totally believe that’s true. Trump’s base, they don’t care. They really don’t.
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Do you really, really believe this?
 
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Absentglare said:
No, Flynn has testified that it was President Trump who asked him to contact the Russians.

This is not like Scooter Libby.
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Where's that coming from? The most I've seen is that a senior transition team member asked him to contact the Russians. Which supports that an incriminating inference but isn't quite as strong as direct testimony that Trump gave the order.
 
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RAMOSS said:
You would personally be amazed at who gets arrested then.
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no, I would not; there are so many dumber than dirt Americans it boggles the mind ...............
 
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jmotivator said:
There are varying levels of felony, you realize? Some get you a year in jail, some get you executed... pretty wide range of severity, I'd say. ;)
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A felony by definition is not a minor crime. And the consequences, besides jail time alone, are severe. Serious enough, and severe enough, that one loses their Constitutional Rights.

Minor crimes are called "misdemeanors".
 
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Right, and more than likely, 6-12 months at Maxwell, which is Day Camp compared to real the Real Federal Lockups, like Terre Haute and Leavenworth. Man, he must be signing some kind of song...
The man did say last winter that he "had a story to tell." A story indeed...
 
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ABC and Breitbart have both named that senior official in their reports. Guess who?
 
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apdst said:
The false narrative is the Russian Connection.

Flynn was charged with a process crime, not a criminal conspiracy.
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You mean like Bill Clinton who was investigated for White Water travel gate and everything under the sun and he was found to lie about an affair with Lewinsky. Somehow Conservatives had no problem with that reach. :lamo The process crime you talk about dealt with the Russian Government....also Popodopolous said the Trump team were aware of the Hillary emails way before the public was ...:lamo You Conservatives kill me.
 
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