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Florida teacher called a student by their preferred name without parental permission. teaching contract on hold

j brown's body said:
The question is a rhetorical one to put you in the shoes of this poor kid. You guys never think of the children.
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I do. so does Florida. in the immortal words of Pink Floyd " hey teacher leave them kids alone"
j brown's body said:
I understand you are confused by our understanding that gender is more fluid than it was in our patriarchal past and youre confused. But its no excuse for taking it out on others.
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your "understanding" is a junk pile of confused wokism backed by the equally PC of today's social psychologists
 
anatta said:
I do. so does Florida. in the immortal words of Pink Floyd " hey teacher leave them kids alone"

your "understanding" is a junk pile of confused wokism backed by the equally PC of today's social psychologists
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You feel teachers treating students with common decency is detrimental to their education because it doesn't meet their parents needs.

You have expressed no support for this child whose parents are dictating his identity to them.

And you rationalize it all with clichés.
 
So what's the problem? The rules are the rules.
Do teachers want to become martyrs for a losing cause?
Does that teacher wish to commit employment suicide and defy a state law?
That would be like one of Trump's cabinet members publicly stating a disagreement with one of Trump's policies.
Not a good career move.
 

Another right-winger ignoring the needs of children in education.

I'd hate to know where you all would have come down on protecting runaway slaves.
 
j brown's body said:
You feel teachers treating students with common decency is detrimental to their education because it doesn't meet their parents needs.

You have expressed no support for this child whose parents are dictating his identity to them.
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oh the horror! my parents did all kinds of "dictating"
 
anatta said:
completely disagree. these are minor children. If parents agree, then fine. but parents raise the kids -not the state
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Gotta love right wing drama. Addressing a child by their preferred name is hardlly raising their kid. In some circles it's called good manners.
 
j brown's body said:
Another right-winger ignoring the needs of children in education.

I'd hate to know where you all would have come down on protecting runaway slaves.
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Let's see. Runaway slaves from the 19th century.
Is that relevant in the 21st century? Should I worry about that now?
I'm more concerned with the SF Forty-niners rebuilding their team to get back to the NFL playoffs.
 
jaypatriot said:
Let's see. Runaway slaves from the 19th century.
Is that relevant in the 21st century? Should I worry about that now?
I'm more concerned with the SF Forty-niners rebuilding their team to get back to the NFL playoffs.
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It reveals the lame argument of "following the law."
 
anatta said:
oh the horror! my parents did all kinds of "dictating"
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Hopefully they didn't try to impose your identity on you. For one thing its basically child abuse, and for another, it never works.

But you're fine with it here.
 
In reading the entire article by CNN, there is a whole lot to probably talk about.

But ultimately whoever this teacher is decided to not follow Florida State Law on this matter, by principled actions the result was pitting their career against the State. We may have all kinds of reactions to this, the reaction from those signing the petition and students protesting notwithstanding, not a bit of that is a bulletproof stance against law. Even if we disagree with that law, but given that this is Florida we are talking about here no one should be surprised.

Teacher gambled with their job and lost, sort of martyred themselves and becoming another in a long chain of those willing to die on that political hill.

Will this generate enough outrage in Florida to change the law? Or, see this teacher get their job back? Unlikely on both.

Does this teacher have a good shot at teaching in a more liberal ran State? Very likely.
 
That teacher would have to leave the South and go to a place like Illinois, New York, or California.
That teacher is not very bright and that teacher is supposed to be teaching young students? I am still surprised I survived three years of public high school.
 
anatta said:
go for it. nothing wrong with that-she just cant teach under contract unless the law changes
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Why do you support these laws at all? Why do you feel it is so important that parents decide something like that rather than the child, especially a teenager? What harm comes to a child from making that one decision for themself?
 

She would be smart to go somewhere else to teach, where they put the kids first.

My heart goes out to the kid.
 
anatta said:
completely disagree. these are minor children. If parents agree, then fine. but parents raise the kids -not the state
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Students, kids need to have some rights, some choices they are allowed to make even if their parents disagree. Kids are people too, not property of their parents.
 

It'll look great on her resume somewhere else. She suicide. to help prevent a possible suicide.
 

It is not about intellect, it is about the wisdom of a decision the teacher made on the assumption of their principles keeping them safe from response. The teacher was wrong, and their career will take a hit.

Moving may be the only option.
 
roguenuke said:
Students, kids need to have some rights, some choices they are allowed to make even if their parents disagree. Kids are people too, not property of their parents.
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Kids owe their parents NOTHING. Parents are responsible for feeding, clothing and housing their children. It's not a reciprocal contract.
 
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anatta said:
I do. so does Florida. in the immortal words of Pink Floyd " hey teacher leave them kids alone"

your "understanding" is a junk pile of confused wokism backed by the equally PC of today's social psychologists
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Why is that not being said to the state or to parents who are complete idiots, abusive, unsupportive?
 
j brown's body said:
Kids owe their parents NOTHING.
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This is not an all or nothing debate.

Kids do not owe very much, we would likely agree on that. But there is respect for who is providing, raising and guiding, protecting and legally responsible for them is not a big ask of kids.

Saying "NOTHING" in bold is a political statement about this subject, but little else.
 
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This is clearly a national priority.

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OrphanSlug said:
It is not about intellect, it is about the wisdom of a decision the teacher made on the assumption of their principles keeping them safe from response. The teacher was wrong, and their career will take a hit.

Moving may be the only option.
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Principles are a wonderful thing to uphold as long as the martyr is willing to die on a hill for those principles. Sort of like a Hamas fighter deciding he can take on a squad of IDF soldiers in a firefight.

Fortunately, no public school teacher is a slave to a particular job in a public school. How many school districts are willing to hire a teacher who knowingly defied a state law?
 
j brown's body said:
Hopefully they didn't try to impose your identity on you. For one thing its basically child abuse, and for another, it never works.

But you're fine with it here.
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Didn't one of those backward-ass states just bring back conversion therapy, aka suicide camps?
 
So authoriarian.
 
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