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Florida OKs school materials aimed at making students conservatives

I haven't had a child in a public school for 60 years.
And my grand daughter went to a Catholic school for 12 years because my daughter and I paid her tuition.
Get this: Money for public schools comes from taxpayers!!
And I am still paying tax dollars to support public education. Fortunately, the schools in our districts are doing a fairly good job.

I am all for parents lobbying to take those tax dollars and put them into private or religious schools.
Screw the teachers unions!
Yes. And that money should be for what it should be for, public education, not any education. Just as public funding for law enforcement should go to public law enforcement, not private security.
 
Those 31 states have Republicans in enough power that are all getting funding from those like the DeVos's.

It is a conspiracy. This is actually being pushed heavily on/by the right, ignoring all the problems that come with it.

Those private and religious schools are taking money from public schools but have advantages like being able to discriminate.
Your paranoia over freedom to take school taxes and give them to parents is really showing.
Tell us, what is your stake in this fight over where to send school tax dollars to where they will do the most good?
I believe private schools are better managed than public schools.
What do you believe besides thinking a failed public school system should be supported?
 
Yes. And that money should be for what it should be for, public education, not any education. Just as public funding for law enforcement should go to public law enforcement, not private security.
So what exactly is your dog in this fight?
You believe public school is doing a good job educating kids.
Yes, I know there are good public school districts. We have a couple in our town.
Big cities are failing our children in public schools. You cannot deny that.

I want to see parents given more choices.
Why are so many tens of thousands of parents anxious to get their kids out of public schools? Are they demented or misinformed?
 
Your paranoia over freedom to take school taxes and give them to parents is really showing.
Tell us, what is your stake in this fight over where to send school tax dollars to where they will do the most good?
I believe private schools are better managed than public schools.
What do you believe besides thinking a failed public school system should be supported?
It's not paranoia. It's facts. School taxes are for public schools, not to fund individual education wherever a family wants.

My stake is the fact that my sons' schools will lose necessary funding that should be for them to go to schools that can deny them entry, that are based in religion especially, can restrict entry based on religious beliefs. So my kids' education suffers for the unconstitutional preference of religious schools.
 
So what exactly is your dog in this fight?
You believe public school is doing a good job educating kids.
Yes, I know there are good public school districts. We have a couple in our town.
Big cities are failing our children in public schools. You cannot deny that.

I want to see parents given more choices.
Why are so many tens of thousands of parents anxious to get their kids out of public schools? Are they demented or misinformed?
Yes, public schools are doing a good job educating kids. They should not have their funding taken by those who are want religion taught using public school funding, want to save money on private school tuition, can't understand how being able to discriminate against some students benefits a select few at the detriment at the majority, especially those less fortunate.

Parents aren't being given more choices. That is a lie.
 
Yes, public schools are doing a good job educating kids. They should not have their funding taken by those who are want religion taught using public school funding, want to save money on private school tuition, can't understand how being able to discriminate against some students benefits a select few at the detriment at the majority, especially those less fortunate.

Parents aren't being given more choices. That is a lie.

Obviously, you have your eyes shut when it comes to the growth of private/charter schools in this country.
There's nothing discriminatory in parents wanting to give their kids the best education possible. And why bring in the racial component?

African-Americans parents are the ones who most want to get their kids out of shitty public schools. Or haven't you read that?

3 Reasons Why Parents Continue to Enroll Their Children in Private Schools​

 
It's not paranoia. It's facts. School taxes are for public schools, not to fund individual education wherever a family wants.

My stake is the fact that my sons' schools will lose necessary funding that should be for them to go to schools that can deny them entry, that are based in religion especially, can restrict entry based on religious beliefs. So my kids' education suffers for the unconstitutional preference of religious schools.
Your loss is someone's else's educational gain.
And I don't believe religious schools can exclude a student because he/she is not of particular religion. Unless the kid is a Muslim terrorist or a witch.
 
Obviously, you have your eyes shut when it comes to the growth of private/charter schools in this country.
There's nothing discriminatory in parents wanting to give their kids the best education possible. And why bring in the racial component?

African-Americans parents are the ones who most want to get their kids out of shitty public schools. Or haven't you read that?

3 Reasons Why Parents Continue to Enroll Their Children in Private Schools​

First, most of those schools are in larger cities and a good number of them, at least the best of them, don't accept vouchers. That leaves those in poorer areas out in the cold.

Second, where did I bring in race? Please point to it.
 
Your loss is someone's else's educational gain.
And I don't believe religious schools can exclude a student because he/she is not of particular religion. Unless the kid is a Muslim terrorist or a witch.
So my kids should lose education simply because we aren't willing to compromise our integrity or because my son wouldn't be able to get IEP considerations within many schools?
 
So my kids should lose education simply because we aren't willing to compromise our integrity or because my son wouldn't be able to get IEP considerations within many schools?


You made me look up IEP. Now I know. If that is a burden you must deal with, then best of luck.
I do not care to delve into how private school are able to cope with IEP requirements.



 
First, most of those schools are in larger cities and a good number of them, at least the best of them, don't accept vouchers. That leaves those in poorer areas out in the cold.

Second, where did I bring in race? Please point to it.
I saw the word 'discriminate' and thought you were talking about people of color. You weren't. I retract my statement.
I have grown tired of this exchange.
Apparently you favor public schools. I no longer have a dog in this fight.
 
You made me look up IEP. Now I know. If that is a burden you must deal with, then best of luck.
I do not care to delve into how private school are able to cope with IEP requirements.



Most are not.

I've done the research some for my state. We have 100 counties. Most of those are rural counties. One such county is Haywood. Haywood has over 68k public school students. Haywood county has ~5 private schools, w/ less than 200 enrollment in those schools, and most of those spots are taken. Where are those other 68k public school students in just that county going to go? But they have a chance that some of those 200 might take funding from those public schools.
 
Most are not.

I've done the research some for my state. We have 100 counties. Most of those are rural counties. One such county is Haywood. Haywood has over 68k public school students. Haywood county has ~5 private schools, w/ less than 200 enrollment in those schools, and most of those spots are taken. Where are those other 68k public school students in just that county going to go? But they have a chance that some of those 200 might take funding from those public schools.
You make a good point where public schools are needed in rural areas.
Many are called; but few are chosen.
 
You make a good point where public schools are needed in rural areas.
Many are called; but few are chosen.
They are also needed in urban/suburban areas too though. My own experience is that the school was not comfortable w/ my son riding the bus because the driver wouldn't be comfortable if he had a seizure. They offered special transportation (and it is paid for by the system). We are well enough off, have jobs that allow us flexibility to drop him off and pick him up while we work from home. That is not something most could do though. Many don't have jobs that allow that and many households, all adults work. Many private schools don't have such accommodations available, even if they provided basic transportation. That's just one small thing.
 
Yes. And that money should be for what it should be for, public education, not any education. Just as public funding for law enforcement should go to public law enforcement, not private security.
That can't be emphasized enough.
 

Florida is moving to brainwash the youth, force feeding partisan political propaganda to children. It seems the CRT scare was more projection.

Anyone going to defend this?
Of coooooooourse....

The whole point, and I said this early on, was to make kids con.
 
I am going to start a separate thread on the New College takeover, but this is relevant to this discussion:

A semester inside the siege: New College professor is trapped in the takeover

The idiocy doesn't stop at the elementary schools or high schools. This is not education, this is miseducation, and it is both deliberate and bound to be both divisive (since it is racist, misogynistic, and ahistorical) and result in academic damage that will last a generation. Ron DeNazi is trying to make Florida a backwater.
 
Nope. Use your own money. The money for public schools is for public schools. If you don't want to learn facts, actual history, what is taught in public schools, use your own money to teach your children BS.
Here's a little more to educate you on the teachers unions stranglehold over the public school system.
Why are public schools losing students to charter schools?


From today's Wall St Journal.

The Inequity of Public School Funding​

Charters get about 30% less than their union-run counterparts.​




By
The Editorial Board

Aug. 16, 2023 6:28 pm ET
Few things illustrate the mixed-up priorities of public education more than funding. Traditional public schools continue to get increases in tax dollars even as people are fleeing them. But charter schools continue to get less even though their enrollment is increasing.

That’s the finding of a new study by the Department of Education Reform at the University of Arkansas, “Charter School Funding: Little Progress Towards Equity in the City.” The team has studied charter funding since 2002-2003. This study, based on 18 cities, found that on average charter schools “receive about 30 percent or $7,147 less funding per pupil” than traditional public schools, in 2020 dollars.
This gap has been remarkably persistent for 20 years. In 2002-2003 the average per-pupil funding gap was 27%. It rose to 31.4% in 2010-2011, dropped to 20.7% in 2013-2014 before hitting 33% in 2017-2018. The dollar gap was greatest in Camden, N.J. ($19,711) and smallest in Houston, where charters receive about ($417) more than the traditional public schools.
The report also explodes some common myths. Notwithstanding the belief that charters are flush with cash from supporters, traditional public schools have an average advantage of $16 per pupil in private funding. Student demographics don’t explain the funding gap. Detroit’s charters, for example, receive an average 35.3% less than their traditional counterparts—though the charter students have a higher poverty rate and nearly identical proportion of special-ed and English-as-a-second-language learners.
What makes this so frustrating is that the funding gap remained constant despite striking gains in charter performance. A report in June from Stanford’s Center for Research on Education Outcomes found that most charters “produce superior student gains despite enrolling a more challenging student population.” Parents know this, which is why charters are attracting more children while traditional public schools are losing them.
The funding formulas haven’t kept up with this reality. The reason is political power. Teachers unions have it, while charter schools don’t. Progressives like to invoke “equity.” Given that charters are public schools every bit as much as union schools, isn’t it time public education brought some equity to its funding?



 
Here's a little more to educate you on the teachers unions stranglehold over the public school system.
Why are public schools losing students to charter schools?


From today's Wall St Journal.

The Inequity of Public School Funding​

Charters get about 30% less than their union-run counterparts.​




By
The Editorial Board

Aug. 16, 2023 6:28 pm ET
Few things illustrate the mixed-up priorities of public education more than funding. Traditional public schools continue to get increases in tax dollars even as people are fleeing them. But charter schools continue to get less even though their enrollment is increasing.

That’s the finding of a new study by the Department of Education Reform at the University of Arkansas, “Charter School Funding: Little Progress Towards Equity in the City.” The team has studied charter funding since 2002-2003. This study, based on 18 cities, found that on average charter schools “receive about 30 percent or $7,147 less funding per pupil” than traditional public schools, in 2020 dollars.
This gap has been remarkably persistent for 20 years. In 2002-2003 the average per-pupil funding gap was 27%. It rose to 31.4% in 2010-2011, dropped to 20.7% in 2013-2014 before hitting 33% in 2017-2018. The dollar gap was greatest in Camden, N.J. ($19,711) and smallest in Houston, where charters receive about ($417) more than the traditional public schools.
The report also explodes some common myths. Notwithstanding the belief that charters are flush with cash from supporters, traditional public schools have an average advantage of $16 per pupil in private funding. Student demographics don’t explain the funding gap. Detroit’s charters, for example, receive an average 35.3% less than their traditional counterparts—though the charter students have a higher poverty rate and nearly identical proportion of special-ed and English-as-a-second-language learners.
What makes this so frustrating is that the funding gap remained constant despite striking gains in charter performance. A report in June from Stanford’s Center for Research on Education Outcomes found that most charters “produce superior student gains despite enrolling a more challenging student population.” Parents know this, which is why charters are attracting more children while traditional public schools are losing them.
The funding formulas haven’t kept up with this reality. The reason is political power. Teachers unions have it, while charter schools don’t. Progressives like to invoke “equity.” Given that charters are public schools every bit as much as union schools, isn’t it time public education brought some equity to its funding?



An opinion piece from the editorial board.

But while Charter schools still have a lot of issues, those aren't the same as private school funding, school vouchers.

There are still a lot of issues that arrive when discussing charter schools and how they work, how they can easily have advantages. Charter schools should not be religious schools, so then would not be rejecting anyone based on religion, could not refuse to teach an LGBT+ student.


One of the huge advantages of charter schools though is that just to be in one, the student, child, has to have a family that actually cares and is able/capable of doing research, or even just cares about the student/child. Parents apply for charter schools. They can refuse to accept certain applicants.
 
There are still a lot of issues that arrive when discussing charter schools and how they work, how they can easily have advantages. Charter schools should not be religious schools, so then would not be rejecting anyone based on religion, could not refuse to teach an LGBT+ student.
The real difference between charter and other public schools is the idea of elitism. Public schools are intended to provide education to everyone. Charter schools are intended to create distinctions. They're based upon the conceit of superiority - that they and their students are "better" - even if that is more often an illusion.

Having said that, I think there is merit in promoting merit. I'm a huge proponent of AP, International Baccalaureate, and "running start" programs within public schools. I even support speciality schools within districts - for music, theater, science, even sports - so long as basic education isn't neglected. Otoh, I adamantly oppose vouchers. They're a false notion, intended to corrupt public education and a drain the public fisc.
 
The real difference between charter and other public schools is the idea of elitism. Public schools are intended to provide education to everyone. Charter schools are intended to create distinctions. They're based upon the conceit of superiority - that they and their students are "better" - even if that is more often an illusion.

Having said that, I think there is merit in promoting merit. I'm a huge proponent of AP, International Baccalaureate, and "running start" programs within public schools. I even support speciality schools within districts - for music, theater, science, even sports - so long as basic education isn't neglected. Otoh, I adamantly oppose vouchers. They're a false notion, intended to corrupt public education and a drain the public fisc.
I think we need more diversity in programs, schooling. I think one size fits all in education is just stupid. But that will take more public school funding, not giving public school funding to private schools, private interests. I could possibly support some limited charter schools, if they have to meet a given set of criteria and be held to it. Overall though, I'd prefer public school funding, money go to public schools, period.
 
I think we need more diversity in programs, schooling. I think one size fits all in education is just stupid. But that will take more public school funding, not giving public school funding to private schools, private interests. I could possibly support some limited charter schools, if they have to meet a given set of criteria and be held to it. Overall though, I'd prefer public school funding, money go to public schools, period.
I'm with you entirely. There are really two flavors of "charter schools" - homegrown innovation and outside intervention. The former works, the latter doesn't.

My objection has been the idea that "outsiders can do a better job" - which is routinely not the case. Bringing in "contractor" charter schools is inherently risky and grossly inefficient. "Magnet" schools, on the other hand, are both organic to the district and have been very effective.
 

Florida is moving to brainwash the youth, force feeding partisan political propaganda to children. It seems the CRT scare was more projection.

Anyone going to defend this?

How about if you all listen to a concerned mother telling a school board what the real purpose is for sending children to public schools.
Maybe those on the Left/Progressive/Democrats will begin to understand that FIVE PERCENT of the population, i.e. LGBTQ, should not be influencing what children are learning in school today.
Look at the video cited below and tell me if this mother is wrong about what is being taught in public schools today.

MOM DROPS NUKE ON SCHOOL BOARD​

 
How about if you all listen to a concerned mother telling a school board what the real purpose is for sending children to public schools.
Maybe those on the Left/Progressive/Democrats will begin to understand that FIVE PERCENT of the population, i.e. LGBTQ, should not be influencing what children are learning in school today.
Look at the video cited below and tell me if this mother is wrong about what is being taught in public schools today.

MOM DROPS NUKE ON SCHOOL BOARD​



This Christian nationalist extremist has no clue as to the purposes of education.
 
This Christian nationalist extremist has no clue as to the purposes of education.
But you forget she is also a concerned mother who doesn't want her child indoctrinated with bullshit WOKE LGBTQ ideology when the purpose of an education is to prepare children for adulthood.

And just what is the purpose of an education directed at young people?
Learning about proper personal pronouns?
Discussing sexual identity and transgender options for children in grade school?
 
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