Florida may soon ban asphalt shingles

[EdwinWillers]

I can tell you've been around this for a while, because you still use the term GFI. I do as well, I can't get used to the GFCI. But yeah, GFI for the range? C'mon man, lol.

I do some light electrical. I'm not going to switch out a panel or anything, but I can run some circuits and install breakers and such. Tile guys are very familiar with devices on kitchen backsplashes, lol. I learned the hard way to tape them up while you have them out, wet sponges are extremely conductive.

LOL - yeah, I always say GFI too, except in venues where not everyone may be as savvy as you as to what I'm talking about. My bad.

 

[Grogu]

Somewhat related, I received a personal telephone call from my insurance agent about six weeks ago. He said they’re calling all of their insureds to talk about a change in the coverage for their home owners insurance. I’ve got my house and vehicles insured with this agent’s company.

I live in Iowa, susceptible to hail and high wind damage. They are restricting and reducing the payment of claims on roof damage for dwellings with asphalt shingles. Basically, they’re covering shingle and roof damage for a period of ten years. Any homes where the asphalt shingles are older than ten years old get a severely reduced pro rated payment on any claims.

I had to send him proof of my June 2022 complete re-shingle job on my roof with architectural asphalt shingles. I also had two 4x8 plywood panels replaced, too. My agent said my coverage wouldn’t change until 2032 if nothing else changes with my roof or shingles.

With the insurance nightmares in Florida, I’m glad I don’t live there. It’s no surprise they’re swinging for the fences, wanting to ban asphalt shingles going forward.

 

[BitterPill]

Plus, asphalt shingles are made from eeeeeeee-vil fossil fuel.

With DeSantis sleeping at the wheel, it's up to Trump to stop this abomination, and he will.

Trump=Freedom

MAGA.

 

[The Mark]

With insurance reaching ruinous levels in Florida, the State is looking at banning asphalt shingles, both for new construction and as a replacement for existing construction. All roofs would be required to be metal if the changes are made.

For Florida, I would agree with this. Metal is far more resilient, not to mention that metal roofs far outlast asphalt.

Yes, they are more expensive, but a one time expense of a metal roof would equate to decades of relief from increased insurance costs.

I thought the insurance prices were due to weather and rising sea levels,

 

[ataraxia]

Raised ocean temperatures is a hoax? You sure?

Yeah I know it’s hard to tell sarcasm from actual MAGA positions these days, but I should have had a /s after that to make it clear.

 

[Safiel]

Not saying it's all bad, because there can be, and has been some good come of it - however, you also get a lot of nonsense coming out of it too.

One example is GFCI (ground fault circuit interrupters) outlets and breakers. Good thing, generally. But originally they were required only in certain areas, typically around kitchen and bathroom sinks/showers, etc. However, they're now required in lots of other places as well - and for other things - like now we have to GFI protect electric ranges. Huge added expense. How many people do you know are shocked by their kitchen range?

But another newbie is the AFCI outlet/breaker - arc fault circuit interrupters - designed to sense a loose connection, frayed lamp cord, etc. - been around for years now but the technology STILL doesn't work. The first few generations of AFCI devices would trip whenever you turned on or off a light switch. Just nasty, stupid, worthless devices that only add - like every regulation adds - more and more cost to an installation.

My mom.

Sears (this was years ago) delivered a new range to her house. The guy had just plugged it in and she lightly touched it. She got a pretty good jolt, just painful, not enough to injure. Needless to say it was grossly defective and he removed it immediately. They delivered another one the same day, with a very substantial amount refunded back to her on the price.

 

[Safiel]

With DeSantis sleeping at the wheel, it's up to Trump to stop this abomination, and he will.

Trump=Freedom

MAGA.

Actually, DeSantis's own man is pushing this and Trump has no say in the matter.

That thing called federalism that certain people like to mention until it becomes inconvenient.

The Federal Government has no say in State building codes.

Florida can do whatever the **** they please and the Federal Government can get bent.

 

[Helix]

I'd be fine with a metal roof. I helped my dad paint one when I was a kid. It was my Grandma's. It was a moment in my life in which I felt like I was growing up. Turns out, I was.

 

[dseag2]

Based on your first sentence, why would anyone listen to anything afterword?

Based on his past posts, he was being sarcastic.

 

[phoenix2020]

Thoughts and prayers to Florida MAGA who are forced by government regulation to use woke mind virus roofing materials.

 

[dmpi]

The more restrictive building codes are the less affordable homes will be built. Also a 40-50 year roof makes no sense if it gets damaged in a hurricane and need to be replaced anyway. The next time I'll replace my roof I'll probably go for a metal roof. But it needs to make sense from a economic pragmatic aspect before you should do it.

 

[Stealers Wheel]

Not saying it's all bad, because there can be, and has been some good come of it - however, you also get a lot of nonsense coming out of it too.

One example is GFCI (ground fault circuit interrupters) outlets and breakers. Good thing, generally. But originally they were required only in certain areas, typically around kitchen and bathroom sinks/showers, etc. However, they're now required in lots of other places as well - and for other things - like now we have to GFI protect electric ranges. Huge added expense. How many people do you know are shocked by their kitchen range?

But another newbie is the AFCI outlet/breaker - arc fault circuit interrupters - designed to sense a loose connection, frayed lamp cord, etc. - been around for years now but the technology STILL doesn't work. The first few generations of AFCI devices would trip whenever you turned on or off a light switch. Just nasty, stupid, worthless devices that only add - like every regulation adds - more and more cost to an installation.

So, it is your contention that the ONLY reason that GFI is required on electric ranges is because a manufacturer of GFI devices decided it would put more money in his pocket and the entire electrical installing industry and regulators went along with that?

Or . . . is it possible that someone with industrial knowledge presented a logical and cogent argument as to why GFI on electric ranges was a sound idea and ought to be adopted as a standard, and that's why the regulators adopted it?

 

[Stealers Wheel]

The more restrictive building codes are the less affordable homes will be built. Also a 40-50 year roof makes no sense if it gets damaged in a hurricane and need to be replaced anyway. The next time I'll replace my roof I'll probably go for a metal roof. But it needs to make sense from a economic pragmatic aspect before you should do it.

Why not just thatch? Been around for thousands of years, holds up well, relatively cheap to replace.

 

[BirdinHand]

take a look in any NEC Code book and see the list of individuals who are on the various code boards that make code decisions. I guarantee you'd be surprised to find out how many are in the manufacturing sector

Engineers, etc who know how to build products and specialize in designing and building products do tend to work in the manufacturing sector.

due to weather

You mean like hurricanes?

 

[bongsaway]

With insurance reaching ruinous levels in Florida, the State is looking at banning asphalt shingles, both for new construction and as a replacement for existing construction. All roofs would be required to be metal if the changes are made.

For Florida, I would agree with this. Metal is far more resilient, not to mention that metal roofs far outlast asphalt.

Yes, they are more expensive, but a one time expense of a metal roof would equate to decades of relief from increased insurance costs.

I'll get one, if the state pays for it. I live in the center of the state and have not had one hurricane has done any major damage to my home and yet I have to pay higher rates because of all the people who live on the coasts. Not everyone can afford a metal roof. Our politicians in this state are brilliant.

 

[bongsaway]

Good. But discounts isnt the same as $$ for replacements. At this point, they'll be denying people insurance that do not replace with metal, for ex.

In other words the government getting more deeply involved into our lives. Is this the Republican version of smaller government?

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Not sure how much of a difference this would make.

I was a roofer for years, did a lot of architectural shingles and metal including flat seem and standing seem.

Metal is a great product if done correctly. Often times it isn't.

Not sure if it really matters if your shingles blow off when you have a 10' storm surge that ruins everything from the ground up. They should go with clay tiles or something similar. I wonder if that is acceptable? It probably is.
Probably even more expensive than metal, but makes for a bullet proof roof.

 

[Paradoxical]

Based on your first sentence, why would anyone listen to anything afterword?

Because the first sentence is the truth.

 

[EdwinWillers]

My mom.

Sears (this was years ago) delivered a new range to her house. The guy had just plugged it in and she lightly touched it. She got a pretty good jolt, just painful, not enough to injure. Needless to say it was grossly defective and he removed it immediately. They delivered another one the same day, with a very substantial amount refunded back to her on the price.

Ah, well, I'm sorry to hear that and very glad she wasn't seriously hurt.

It sounds like that was more a defect within the machine though than a shock due to the presence of moisture - which is the original purpose of GFI devices and why they're required in places where water is present (e.g. kitchens, baths, outdoors, etc.). Code requires them on any receptacle within 6' of the edge of a sink. The Code was modified for ranges only recently and has been met with a significant amount of pushback from the trade, given the technology for such purposes is at once quite immature and expensive to do - more than doubling the cost of every range outlet.

We suspect the change was due to the rising popularity of range, or pot-filler faucets more than anything, which, by themselves would require GFCI protection for the range, being within the 6' requirement.

 

[EdwinWillers]

So, it is your contention that the ONLY reason that GFI is required on electric ranges is because a manufacturer of GFI devices decided it would put more money in his pocket and the entire electrical installing industry and regulators went along with that?

No, I never said that. See my post above - #44.

Or . . . is it possible that someone with industrial knowledge presented a logical and cogent argument as to why GFI on electric ranges was a sound idea and ought to be adopted as a standard, and that's why the regulators adopted it?

Sure, and doubtless probable. Not sure what's prompting the need to be argumentative about it though. Have you read the thread, or are you just picking at one post of mine in the middle of it?

The point is, and has been, that there are a lot of people involved in most regulatory processes - and often those involved have an economic interest in them, and that sometimes contrary to the overall purpose of the regulation. E.g. and to the specific point of this thread - manufacturers of metal roofing. I merely interjected my experience in the electrical trade.

 

[ttwtt78640]

With insurance reaching ruinous levels in Florida, the State is looking at banning asphalt shingles, both for new construction and as a replacement for existing construction. All roofs would be required to be metal if the changes are made.

For Florida, I would agree with this. Metal is far more resilient, not to mention that metal roofs far outlast asphalt.

Yes, they are more expensive, but a one time expense of a metal roof would equate to decades of relief from increased insurance costs.

The cost difference varies based on the type of metal/shingle roof material being compared. Asphalt shingle choices are 3-tab, architectural and luxury, while metal roofing choices are exposed fastener and standing seam.

The sq. ft. cost for an architectural asphalt shingle and exposed fastener metal roofing job are (typically) similar, but the metal roofing job cost can be (significantly) higher when more roof penetrations and/or valleys are present.

 

[Grand Mal]

Yeah I know it’s hard to tell sarcasm from actual MAGA positions these days, but I should have had a /s after that to make it clear.

Sorry, sometimes I don't pay close enough attention.

 

[Carjosse]

The more restrictive building codes are the less affordable homes will be built. Also a 40-50 year roof makes no sense if it gets damaged in a hurricane and need to be replaced anyway. The next time I'll replace my roof I'll probably go for a metal roof. But it needs to make sense from an economic pragmatic aspect before you should do it.

Literally the whole point is because metal roofs will better resist hurricane damage.

 

[Stealers Wheel]

I'll get one, if the state pays for it. I live in the center of the state and have not had one hurricane has done any major damage to my home and yet I have to pay higher rates because of all the people who live on the coasts. Not everyone can afford a metal roof. Our politicians in this state are brilliant.

And if you've never had cancer, your healthcare premiums still reflect the fact that you're paying for others that do get cancer. It's just not fair.

I recall following Katrina an insurance company was refusing to pay claims, saying "most of your damage was due to flooding, and you're not covered for floods." Of course, their houses were flooded by rain AFTER Katrina blew off their roofs! Like a good neighbor . . . my ass!

 

[LouC]

Florida may soon ban asphalt shingles​

I can't believe that would ever happen with a Republican Gov. and a Republican controlled Legislature.