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Florida breaks single day record for new COVID cases

Most people around my area are pretending that the pandemic never even happened now. I doubt that this will end well.
 
Indie guy said:
Who really knows? Maybe more but the point is that we can't keep everything locked down and everyone isolated because of a nasty virus.

When you look at the data based on total population, the number of people testing positive only amounts to 1% or less, even in the hot spot areas.

The number of business owners having to permanently lock their doors and the number of unemployed Americans amount to a far greater number than 1% thanks to the forced lockdowns.
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No, I don't think we can keep things locked down for extended periods of time either. The lockdowns early on made sense because they were about preventing massive spread and overwhelming hospitals. That 1% adds up pretty quickly with a novel virus; especially one where we weren't entirely sure how it would impact those infected. Even without the lockdowns there would likely have been a decline in business; my wife and I are small business owners in the fitness industry and we started seeing a sharp decline in new students in mid-February with members already expressing concerns. We're still waiting to open our doors, but even with the state setting a date, it doesn't mean people will be coming in anywhere near the level they were before.
 
Mongidig said:
"Masks can help, but it's masks plus physical separation," Dr. Anthony Fauci said in an interview on "Good Morning America" Wednesday. "And when you get congregations like we saw with the demonstrations ... that's taking a risk."
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You claimed nobody cared. How do you explain the masks?
 
calamity said:
Florida breaks record for new coronavirus cases in a single day



Predictable. Also, note that Florida has been suspected of undercounting COVID deaths, kind of how they undercount Democratic votes.
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Suspected of undercounting deaths by those wanting to see higher numbers.

Suspected of overcounting deaths, just like pretty much every other jurisdiction in the country, by dozens of whistleblowers in the profession, many or most of whom are censored by social media and MSM.

The censorship means something very important.
 
Mr Person said:
We tried to warn Red staters but were told we were just excited for people to die to make Trump look bad.

The ugliness is the point. Unfortunately it gets people killed, too.
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The "record" isn't what you think. Go read the Phys251's doomed Texas record thread if you want to see what you are in store for in this nonsense thread.
 
calamity said:
Florida breaks record for new coronavirus cases in a single day



Predictable. Also, note that Florida has been suspected of undercounting COVID deaths, kind of how they undercount Democratic votes.
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I find it curious that the states that are now being hammered with CV or that followed Trump's lead by rushing their re-openings are all swing states or states where Democrats are in striking distance, including Florida, Texas, Arizona and North Carolina.
 
Mongidig said:
How many of those who died of Corona would have died of other things?
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Plain stupid rationale.

We're all going to perish some day. That doesn't mean we all live our lives recklessly.
 
Mr Person said:
We tried to warn Red staters but were told we were just excited for people to die to make Trump look bad.

The ugliness is the point. Unfortunately it gets people killed, too.
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Yes, last thing they want is the sort of cluster**** going on in NY, NJ, and Mass.
 
Mongidig said:
How many of those who died of Corona would have died of other things?
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It's hard to tell, but the thing is the disease exploits people with pre-existing conditions. So it's a question of what we find as acceptable loss; especially if it's preventable.

How many people did die or will die because of the restrictions?
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Another unknown, but in a country with the kind of resources we have, our odds of helping those affected are better than those which don't.

Is it better to allow people out knowing there will be more infections now or lock people up and kick the can down the road while destroying our economy and individual businesses? No matter which path you choose there will be many people dying.
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There isn't a scenario which there isn't the risk of people being exposed and dying, but the rationale has been to prevent the initial spread to reduce that impact later on.

I think waiting for a vaccine is wishful thinking. It might be better to start the slow process of achieving herd immunity. I think it is becoming very clear that we are going to have to coexist with this virus for a long time. It would be nice if people were smarter about the safety measures. Unfortunately, many are dumb, ignorant or just don't care.

It's time to face reality.
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I don't think waiting for a vaccine is viable either given the average time it take to create one and release it to the public. The herd immunity factor is still questionable as far as I understand, but I hope that with the safety recommendations in place, we'll reduce the amount of people falling ill and requiring hospitalization. I do agree that our ability to follow them seems to be lacking. I can't speak for others, but I know my behavior as a consumer will be radically different for a good while to come.
 
Indie guy said:
Closing everything down didn't stop the spread. We made a bigger mistake by implementing all these panic-stricken shutdowns that amounted to nothing less than martial law.

California had some of the strictest shelter-in-place laws but the number of confirmed cases are rising here too.
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Cases and deaths fell when these "panic-stricken shutdowns" occurred and are now increasing as these panic-stricken shutdowns are relaxed. Cause and effect.

At this point, there have been enough international success stories in dealing with the coronavirus to leave us with a clear sense of what beating the pandemic takes. First, you have to impose strict social distancing long enough to reduce the number of infected people to a small fraction of the population. Then you have to implement a regime of testing, tracing and isolating: quickly identifying any new outbreak, finding everyone exposed and quarantining them until the danger is past.

This strategy is workable. South Korea has done it. New Zealand has done it.

But you have to be strict and you have to be patient, staying the course until the pandemic is over, not giving in to the temptation to return to normal life while the virus is still widespread. In my of the South of the US, they relaxed as the numbers were rising.
 
Meh, there is more testing being done now, it’s a nothing burger.
 
Mongidig said:
I take it you got bored of protesting? I'm seeing an uptick in Corona threads.
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Why do you think we should ignore the increases in infection rates? Where is the Presidents task force? AWOL?
 
iguanaman said:
Why do you think we should ignore the increases in infection rates? Where is the Presidents task force? AWOL?
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There is not an increase in infection rates, just more testing.
It’s a nothing burger.
 
MTAtech said:
Cases and deaths fell when these "panic-stricken shutdowns" occurred and are now increasing as these panic-stricken shutdowns are relaxed. Cause and effect.

At this point, there have been enough international success stories in dealing with the coronavirus to leave us with a clear sense of what beating the pandemic takes. First, you have to impose strict social distancing long enough to reduce the number of infected people to a small fraction of the population. Then you have to implement a regime of testing, tracing and isolating: quickly identifying any new outbreak, finding everyone exposed and quarantining them until the danger is past.

This strategy is workable. South Korea has done it. New Zealand has done it.

But you have to be strict and you have to be patient, staying the course until the pandemic is over, not giving in to the temptation to return to normal life while the virus is still widespread. In my of the South of the US, they relaxed as the numbers were rising.
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We are doing none of the things that S. Korea and New Zealand are doing. We are just letting it spread here in Florida
 
Aberro said:
Meh, there is more testing being done now, it’s a nothing burger.
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Wrong, here in Texas we lag behind almost every every other state and not on infections are rising, hospitalizations and deaths are also setting records. The Nation had a good set of guidelines for every State to reopen, two weeks straight of falling numbers, I can tell you Texas had met no such milestone and as such we are going to pay a harsh price.
So go eat your burger and don't try talking about that which you don't grasp.
 
Aberro said:
Meh, there is more testing being done now, it’s a nothing burger.
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More than what -- more than the impossible to get tests back in February? Back then, Trump said, "anyone who wants a test can get one," which was a lie.

Also, there is a difference between tests sent out and tests conducted.

During the briefing [in late April], Trump said that 200,000 people were tested on Saturday alone and that more than 5.4 million tests have now been conducted across the United States.

Pence then stepped in when a reporter asked why it took longer than expected to test that many people. The reporter noted that Pence had touted weeks earlier that the country would be at the 4 million-test mark by mid-March.

"I appreciate the question," Pence said, "but it represents a misunderstanding on your part and frankly the — a lot of people in the public's part — about the difference between having a test versus the ability to actually process the test."

The reporter followed up: "So when you said 4 million tests, seven weeks ago, you were just talking about tests being sent out, not actually being — being completed?"

Pence said that was "precisely correct."
 
Indie guy said:
Closing everything down didn't stop the spread. We made a bigger mistake by implementing all these panic-stricken shutdowns that amounted to nothing less than martial law.

California had some of the strictest shelter-in-place laws but the number of confirmed cases are rising here too.
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Nothing would stop the spread, the whole idea was to slow the spread. As of now, the US has the 5th highest infection rate per capita in the world. What do you think it would have been had these measures not been put in place?
 
ElChupacabra said:
How many more infections and deaths do you think there would be without the restrictions?
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Did you forget that the MAJORITY of people who get the virus show NO symptoms at all?

Oh you did!
 
Luther said:
Did you forget that the MAJORITY of people who get the virus show NO symptoms at all?

Oh you did!
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Are you referring to the asymptomatic? They're still infected with the virus, so I'm not sure how you can claim I forgot about them.
 
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