Florida breaks single day record for new COVID cases

[ElChupacabra]

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I saw it the first time. So do they have the virus and therefore carriers or not?

 

[Luther]

I saw it the first time. So do they have the virus and therefore carriers or not?

Yeah... so?

 

[ElChupacabra]

Yeah... so?

You're the one who responded. Was that your only point?

 

[holbritter]

Yes, last thing they want is the sort of cluster**** going on in NY, NJ, and Mass.

There is no cluster **** going on in NY. NY, NJ and Mass are slowly opening up in phases. It's been going really well for the most part. AZ, TX and FL are in for a world of hurt.

 

[holbritter]

There is not an increase in infection rates, just more testing.
It’s a nothing burger.

Go on then, mingle. Have a party!

 

[VySky]

Florida breaks record for new coronavirus cases in a single day



Predictable. Also, note that Florida has been suspected of undercounting COVID deaths, kind of how they undercount Democratic votes.

Meanwhile, In other news. Rain is expected in Seattle

 

[Taylor]

There is no cluster **** going on in NY. NY, NJ and Mass are slowly opening up in phases. It's been going really well for the most part. AZ, TX and FL are in for a world of hurt.

NY, NJ and Mass have had five times the rate of infection as Florida.

 

[Indie guy]

Nothing would stop the spread, the whole idea was to slow the spread. As of now, the US has the 5th highest infection rate per capita in the world. What do you think it would have been had these measures not been put in place?

I already answered a similar question. Infection rate might have been higher but maybe not.

Overall infection rates have been roughly 1% of the entire population. Compare that with the double-digit unemployment rate and the number of businesses having to permanently close due to loss of revenue - all because of government-forced mandates.

Loss of jobs, wages, and the effect on the economy have been much more devastating than the number of people who have tested positive. You as a libertarian should understand this.

 

[Indie guy]

There is no cluster **** going on in NY. NY, NJ and Mass are slowly opening up in phases. It's been going really well for the most part. AZ, TX and FL are in for a world of hurt.

I'm really scratching my head in confusion why the sunbelt is being hit so hard.

Usually it stands to reason that higher UV indexes and warmer temperatures would help fend off these viruses, especially Arizona of all places where it's easily 110 degrees now through August.

 

[Airyaman]

I already answered a similar question. Infection rate might have been higher but maybe not.

Overall infection rates have been roughly 1% of the entire population. Compare that with the double-digit unemployment rate and the number of businesses having to permanently close due to loss of revenue - all because of government-forced mandates.

Loss of jobs, wages, and the effect on the economy have been much more devastating than the number of people who have tested positive. You as a libertarian should understand this.

And the 114k deaths in just a few months? It's not so much about who gets it, it's about how many are in mortal danger from it.

The shutdowns became necessary because the US was simply behind in their response, mostly because it was downplayed severely in the beginning.

South Korea did not lock down because they responded properly.

What’s South Korea’s COVID Secret? - The Atlantic

 

[iguanaman]

I'm really scratching my head in confusion why the sunbelt is being hit so hard.

Usually it stands to reason that higher UV indexes and warmer temperatures would help fend off these viruses, especially Arizona of all places where it's easily 110 degrees now through August.

It is becoming obvious that high temps are not a limiting factor for this virus. This is not the flu.

 

[Indie guy]

And the 114k deaths in just a few months? It's not so much about who gets it, it's about how many are in mortal danger from it.

The shutdowns became necessary because the US was simply behind in their response, mostly because it was downplayed severely in the beginning.

South Korea did not lock down because they responded properly.

What’s South Korea’s COVID Secret? - The Atlantic

A more rational middle ground would have been better overall.

Instead of imposing martial law like many states did, people should have been allowed to go about their usual business - but - mask wearing could have been implemented as well as better cleanliness standards for businesses.

In many cases people simply have to pay the consequences for their own actions. All the protesting and gathering in massive crowds at beaches and elsewhere surely is contributing to the recent spikes. If they get sick it's their own fault. We can't force lockdowns to save everyone from themselves.

 

[calamity]

NY, NJ and Mass have had five times the rate of infection as Florida.

You mean three states have had more infection than one? Wow--quick, call 60 Minutes. :roll:

 

[Indie guy]

It is becoming obvious that high temps are not a limiting factor for this virus. This is not the flu.

It is apparent now but why did the southern hemisphere experience very few Corona cases during their summer while the outbreak was happening mostly in colder areas of the northern hemisphere during our winter?

 

[Casper]

It is becoming obvious that high temps are not a limiting factor for this virus. This is not the flu.

True, been hot as hell here in Texas and it is spreading as always.

 

[calamity]

It is apparent now but why did the southern hemisphere experience very few Corona cases during their summer while the outbreak was happening mostly in colder areas of the northern hemisphere during our winter?

It didn't, unless you want to argue Australia isn't in the Southern Hemi.

 

[calamity]

Dallas County, TX also breaking a record today.

Dallas County reports record number of new coronavirus cases for third day in a row

....one set yesterday and the day before.

 

[iguanaman]

A more rational middle ground would have been better overall.

Instead of imposing martial law like many states did, people should have been allowed to go about their usual business - but - mask wearing could have been implemented as well as better cleanliness standards for businesses.

In many cases people simply have to pay the consequences for their own actions. All the protesting and gathering in massive crowds at beaches and elsewhere surely is contributing to the recent spikes. If they get sick it's their own fault. We can't force lockdowns to save everyone from themselves.

Florida was not exactly a hotbed of protests so that cannot be the cause of the spiking in cases here. We opened too early and are far behind in contact tracing is the likely cause. On Friday we had 2400 new cases which is a record.

 

[Indie guy]

Florida was not exactly a hotbed of protests so that cannot be the cause of the spiking in cases here. We opened too early and are far behind in contact tracing is the likely cause. On Friday we had 2400 new cases which is a record.

It's not that Florida opened too early, it's all the nimrods who gathered in large masses at beaches, clubs, and at protests. Florida cities had just as many protests as other places throughout the USA.

Forcing basic businesses to close or restrict their services was unnecessary, as was the shelter-in-place orders. It comes down to taking more of a moderate reasonable approach to these situations. Don't initiate lockdowns but avoid massive crowds if at all possible.

 

[Taylor]

You mean three states have had more infection than one? Wow--quick, call 60 Minutes. :roll:

No, that's not what I mean.

 

[DiAnna]

I've seen plenty of concerns about the protests & riots spiking Covid. If not in their own thread, in posts themselves. Anecdotally, I've even voiced this myself on multiple occasions.

As to the rising rates, the last week seems to be the time of high growth reports. AZ had to place their hospitals under emergency order, something they didn't do at the early pandemic peak 4-5 weeks ago. That's a very big deal.

We all knew, or should have known, that opening parks, beaches, etc. for Memorial day would herald sharp increase in cases over the next couple of weeks... and we did, followed immediately by massive protests all over the country, which are going to shoot case numbers off the chart starting about (looks at calendar) now.

I understand the protesters and why they felt it so important to be heard; I really do. The George Floyd incident was too blatant, too gruesome to ignore. But as a society, we're going to pay for the tenacity and courage of those protesters in lives lost. I feel that by the beginning of next year, we'll have seen numbers that are absolutely staggering.

 

[Chomsky]

We all knew, or should have known, that opening parks, beaches, etc. for Memorial day would herald sharp increase in cases over the next couple of weeks... and we did, followed immediately by massive protests all over the country, which are going to shoot case numbers off the chart starting about (looks at calendar) now.

I understand the protesters and why they felt it so important to be heard; I really do. The George Floyd incident was too blatant, too gruesome to ignore. But as a society, we're going to pay for the tenacity and courage of those protesters in lives lost. I feel that by the beginning of next year, we'll have seen numbers that are absolutely staggering.

I look at the protesters, and vacillate between admiring their courage, and watching the frustrations of pent-up young people who were locked-in for 10 weeks in what's becoming for them a dystopian nightmare. There's a bit of both occurring!

We won't know the protest Covid-effect for another several weeks. It seems to take a good 4-6 weeks to really show growth.

 

[DiAnna]

I look at the protesters, and vacillate between admiring their courage, and watching the frustrations of pent-up young people who were locked-in for 10 weeks in what's becoming for them a dystopian nightmare. There's a bit of both occurring!

We won't know the protest Covid-effect for another several weeks. It seems to take a good 4-6 weeks to really show growth.

I feel the same way as the bolded portion.

But I'm still worried; as a nation, we've dropped from 3,000 deaths per day to 1,000 deaths per day. Even if it stays static, do the math through August... but if it climbs back up to 2-3,000 a day or worse, our medical infrastructure will be strained to the breaking point, and we'll lose another 100,000 lives before Sept.

 

[Bodi]

Florida breaks record for new coronavirus cases in a single day



Predictable. Also, note that Florida has been suspected of undercounting COVID deaths, kind of how they undercount Democratic votes.

Those beach day parties look like they were a good idea after all...

 

[Chomsky]

I feel the same way as the bolded portion.

But I'm still worried; as a nation, we've dropped from 3,000 deaths per day to 1,000 deaths per day. Even if it stays static, do the math through August... but if it climbs back up to 2-3,000 a day or worse, our medical infrastructure will be strained to the breaking point, and we'll lose another 100,000 lives before Sept.

Well, we both know the numbers and the science. Yeah, this is the new normal. And we've lost the will-power & ability to fight hard, so we're acquiescing to living with a certain amount of virus casualties. Which really is to be expected. We couldn't huddle in our houses, much longer. We'll obviously see growth areas, and the responses will be local.

For example, Houston is now contemplating a remain at home order. Maybe I'll start a thread on it. But they are doing it, as you said, to protect the healthcare system which is nearly at a breaking point. They're converting a sports venue into a Covid hospital.

So yeah, this will be the new normal. Shut-down locally, if required to not over-run the health systems.

My city and state were among the hardest hit. We did what we had to, we learned a lot, we're looking better now, and I'm confident we'll handle whatever comes our way in terms of Coronavirus because we've already warded-off hell. We're battle hardened! (unlike some other less-touched rural areas)

It's the economic devastation I worry about.

But we've got to do what we have to do. I thank my lucky stars I've got a Guv that's handling this very conservatively, listening to our universities. And he's pretty good at getting PPE smuggled-n behind Trump's back! And as a city, we've come together reasonably well in working through this. We did O.K. with the demonstrations, too. Not perfect. But not too bad.