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Feminist Glaciology

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A climate science journal bit down hard on this ridiculous hoax.


A feminist glaciology

Posted on 03 Mar 16 by Paul Matthews8 Comments
Many readers will be familiar with the famous Sokal hoax paper, in which physicist Alan Sokal wrote a nonsensical article on the “hermeneutics of quantum gravity” and got it published in a sociology journal. Other more recent examples of accepted papers include a completely computer-generated mathematics paper and a repeated request to be removed from a mailing list.
Now it seems that climate science has fallen for a similar joke paper. The journal Progress in Human Geography (impact factor 5, which is quite high) has published an article Glaciers, gender, and science: A feminist glaciology framework for global environmental change research.
Excerpts below are taken from just the first 3 pages of this 24-page masterpiece, plus a final quote from the conclusions. . . .

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maybe not a hoax?

M Jackson says:
03 Mar 16 at 8:12 pm

Hey crazies. The paper is real- the product of great research and a great research team. Thanks for checking it out and engaging with it in a thoughtful manner.

one of the authors is supposedly M Jackson. not sure which group are the crazies though
 

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A climate science journal bit down hard on this ridiculous hoax.


A feminist glaciology

Posted on 03 Mar 16 by Paul Matthews8 Comments
Many readers will be familiar with the famous Sokal hoax paper, in which physicist Alan Sokal wrote a nonsensical article on the “hermeneutics of quantum gravity” and got it published in a sociology journal. Other more recent examples of accepted papers include a completely computer-generated mathematics paper and a repeated request to be removed from a mailing list.
Now it seems that climate science has fallen for a similar joke paper. The journal Progress in Human Geography (impact factor 5, which is quite high) has published an article Glaciers, gender, and science: A feminist glaciology framework for global environmental change research.
Excerpts below are taken from just the first 3 pages of this 24-page masterpiece, plus a final quote from the conclusions. . . .

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Just pointing out,that is saying 'Published online before print January 10, 2016,' .. on a web site that has gotten into trouble for publishing purposely fake articles before.
 

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Just pointing out,that is saying 'Published online before print January 10, 2016,' .. on a web site that has gotten into trouble for publishing purposely fake articles before.

January 10, 2016 has come and gone.
 

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“Merging feminist postcolonial science studies and feminist political ecology, the feminist glaciology framework generates robust analysis of gender, power, and epistemologies in dynamic social-ecological systems, thereby leading to more just and equitable science and human-ice interactions.”
“A critical but overlooked aspect of the human dimensions of glaciers and global change research is the relationship between gender and glaciers.”
“The response to simplistic ‘ice is just ice’ discourse is not merely to foreground or single out women and their experiences – that would simply perpetuate binaries and boundaries and ignore deeper foundations."
Come on - that's ****ing hysterical. Feminist postcolonial science studies... and relationships between gender and glaciers.

LOL
 

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Come on - that's ****ing hysterical. Feminist postcolonial science studies... and relationships between gender and glaciers.

LOL

You people are so close-minded that you can't even think about the effects of gender on glaciers. During ovulation, women experience elevated body temperatures. Clearly, female glaciers will melt faster.

:roll:
 

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You people are so close-minded that you can't even think about the effects of gender on glaciers. During ovulation, women experience elevated body temperatures. Clearly, female glaciers will melt faster.

:roll:

:lamo

It's emotional frigidity by spectrum proxy.
 

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I wonder how many people hamming it up have actually read it. The paper does provide some interesting insights about the marginalization and, in some cases, exclusion of women from glaciology that can only be detrimental to the field. For example:

"Local, non-Western, and indigenous societies are often no more egalitarian than scientific disciplines such as glaciology, and thus they, too, experience differential representation in the production of environmental knowledges (Cochrane, 2014). Klein et al. (2014) report in their study of Tibetan herders’ understandings and observations of climate change, for example, that bias and inequality exist in those communities in Nagchu Prefecture. It was not possible to achieve gender balance in their interviews, for instance, because women repeatedly refused to be interviewed, citing their own lack of knowledge and illustrating how dominant perceptions of ‘glaciology’ can emerge, which may in some cases suppress alternative knowledges. Women often do possess different knowledge about glaciers due to many issues, such as: spending more time than men attending to livestock near Andean glaciers (Dunbar and Medina Marcos, 2012); managing agriculture, terracing, and irrigation that includes the distribution of glacier runoff in highland Peruvian communities (Bolin, 2009); being responsible for mobility, storage, and shelter amidst changes to snowfall and other cryospheric changes on the Tibetan Plateau (Yeh et al., 2014); expressing water supplies in the Ganges River through spiritual frameworks that contradict hydrologic models (Drew, 2012); and responding to diminishing water supplies in Tajikistan mountains with more efficient water use practices, as opposed to men’s reactions to emigrate from their communities (Christmann and Aw-Hassan, 2015)."

So yes, sexism is a problem in this field when the most knowledgeable locals won't communicate what they know because they live in a culture where only men are allowed to have opinions.
 
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Is this a hoax?
The University of Oregon press release looked legit. Although now I wonder about the "around.uoregon.edu link. Around?
As glaciers melt, more voices in research are needed | Around the O
And one of the authors, Jacklyn Rushing, appears legit. A person by that name ran Track in HS in 2010 (so a likely UofO student) and is now at Oregon State, as the "U of Oregon" article states.
 
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Come on - that's ****ing hysterical. Feminist postcolonial science studies... and relationships between gender and glaciers.

LOL

Aunty, all it takes is just the right word to my wife and the term "feminist glaciology" is 100% clear.
 

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I wonder how many people hamming it up have actually read it. The paper does provide some interesting insights about the marginalization and, in some cases, exclusion of women from glaciology that can only be detrimental to the field. For example:

"Local, non-Western, and indigenous societies are often no more egalitarian than scientific disciplines such as glaciology, and thus they, too, experience differential representation in the production of environmental knowledges (Cochrane, 2014). Klein et al. (2014) report in their study of Tibetan herders’ understandings and observations of climate change, for example, that bias and inequality exist in those communities in Nagchu Prefecture. It was not possible to achieve gender balance in their interviews, for instance, because women repeatedly refused to be interviewed, citing their own lack of knowledge and illustrating how dominant perceptions of ‘glaciology’ can emerge, which may in some cases suppress alternative knowledges. Women often do possess different knowledge about glaciers due to many issues, such as: spending more time than men attending to livestock near Andean glaciers (Dunbar and Medina Marcos, 2012); managing agriculture, terracing, and irrigation that includes the distribution of glacier runoff in highland Peruvian communities (Bolin, 2009); being responsible for mobility, storage, and shelter amidst changes to snowfall and other cryospheric changes on the Tibetan Plateau (Yeh et al., 2014); expressing water supplies in the Ganges River through spiritual frameworks that contradict hydrologic models (Drew, 2012); and responding to diminishing water supplies in Tajikistan mountains with more efficient water use practices, as opposed to men’s reactions to emigrate from their communities (Christmann and Aw-Hassan, 2015)."

So yes, sexism is a problem in this field when the most knowledgeable locals won't communicate what they know because they live in a culture where only men are allowed to have opinions.
And the answer to that problem is to talk about "feminist glaciology" in the same way that Nazi Germany talked about German Physics and German Chemistry to get away from the Jewish contributions? It seems the answer, if we are talking about science and not the history of science, is to present the information in a Glaciology conference.
 

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And the answer to that problem is to talk about "feminist glaciology" in the same way that Nazi Germany talked about German Physics and German Chemistry to get away from the Jewish contributions?

That isn't how the paper discussed, presents, or proposes feminist glaciology. The idea here is to add to the existing body of knowledge by ending sexism in the field, encourage women to contribute what they know, and understand glaciers from different perspectives that are not regarded as "masculine."

It seems the answer, if we are talking about science and not the history of science, is to present the information in a Glaciology conference.

Its not scientific to ignore or be denied information solely on the grounds that it comes from the lips of a woman and that is both a historical and modern problem in this field. I don't know if the presentation of this paper at what would be a mostly male conference would solve for that.
 
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Its not scientific to ignore or be denied information solely on the grounds that it comes from the lips of a woman and that is both a historical and modern problem in this field. I don't know if the presentation of this paper at what would be a mostly male conference would solve for that.
Recently got back from the AAAS (American Assoc for the Advancement of Science) annual meeting in Washington, D.C.. The President of the AAAS is female, the keynote speaker (who made the breakthrough in CRISPR-Cas9) was female and about half the attendees and presenters were female. The idea is for inclusivity, not parallel science. Don't where you have been lately but perhaps you need to catch up.
 

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Come on - that's ****ing hysterical. Feminist postcolonial science studies... and relationships between gender and glaciers.

LOL

Hilarious, yeah, but sounds much like every other stupid research project the government funds. Have you seen some of them? Enough to make you laugh and cry at the same time, this wasted money.
 

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Recently got back from the AAAS (American Assoc for the Advancement of Science) annual meeting in Washington, D.C.. The President of the AAAS is female, the keynote speaker (who made the breakthrough in CRISPR-Cas9) was female and about half the attendees and presenters were female. The idea is for inclusivity, not parallel science. Don't where you have been lately but perhaps you need to catch up.

Nothing is preventing you from writing a refutation if you have the research to back it up. That the president of the AAAS is a woman effective a month ago doesn't really address the problems noted in the paper.
 
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Nothing is preventing you from writing a refutation if you have the research to back it up. That the president of the AAAS is a woman effective a month ago doesn't really address the problems noted in the paper.
Oh I don't have to refute anything. I imagine that there are some females in glaciology who were marginalized. And I suppose that a whole bunch of other people can claim to be slighted in some way by some one. And that might be a half way interesting report in a sociology or history report (which is what the report is, actually, even though it seems to want to pretend it is some science study).
By the way, 7 women have been President of the AAAS in the past 20 years.
 
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[h=1]Feminist glaciologist responds[/h] Posted on 15 Mar 16 by Paul Matthews2 Comments
Two weeks ago the story of the feminist glaciology paper spread rapidly throughout the internet and even reached the mainstream media such as the WSJ — see the updates at the end of our 3 March post for some of the articles that appeared after ours. A few common themes arose in the comments about the … Continue reading →
 

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A climate science journal bit down hard on this ridiculous hoax.


A feminist glaciology

Posted on 03 Mar 16 by Paul Matthews8 Comments
Many readers will be familiar with the famous Sokal hoax paper, in which physicist Alan Sokal wrote a nonsensical article on the “hermeneutics of quantum gravity” and got it published in a sociology journal. Other more recent examples of accepted papers include a completely computer-generated mathematics paper and a repeated request to be removed from a mailing list.
Now it seems that climate science has fallen for a similar joke paper. The journal Progress in Human Geography (impact factor 5, which is quite high) has published an article Glaciers, gender, and science: A feminist glaciology framework for global environmental change research.
Excerpts below are taken from just the first 3 pages of this 24-page masterpiece, plus a final quote from the conclusions. . . .

Continue reading →

I remember the mailing list one. Freaking hilarious.
 
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