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Until then, the GOP will do what it is doing. They passed a funding bill, denied. They passed a funding bill with a suspension of the individual mandate (as with the business mandate), denied. They passed 2 individual funding bills, denied. Denied by democrats in the senate. No negotiation. And you think the GOP looks childish? Yeah...the parks situation pretty much shows who the petulant children are. :lamo
Not desperate at all. Legislation is passed...amendments passed. Opponents should just get over it.
:lamo It's cute that you think the GOP elected to the majority in the house should just do what the democrats did.Yes they are acting like children because they can't get rid of the ACA unless they try throwing a temper tanturm, because they can't win elections. Yes, CHILDREN is what the GOP are at this time. You are desperate and it shows. You even try pulling gay marriage out of your ass to deflect and dodge. When the Dems hold up the government for gay marriage let me know. Until then, you have NOTHING. Please contiue though, your desperation is palpable.
:lamo It's cute that you think the GOP elected to the majority in the house should just do what the democrats did.
It's not a question of holding up the government over gay marriage, it's a question of not accepting 'settled' law. Laws are passed, amendments are passed, you just have to comply even if you don't like it.
once again...the GOP is not holding up the government. They have passed 4 distinct separate options that would allow for a CR and discussion on the future of the ACA. The petulant children in the democrat party are the ones that reuse to consider any other option other than everything they want. Their childish actions at the parks throughout the county quite clearly demonstrate who is the 'problem'. And judging on recent opinion polls, even democrats are seeing it more and more.Again, where did I say you should quit trying to get something changed? I didn't. However, holding up the government because it is the ONLY way you can is acting like a spoiled brat like the GOP is doing. When the Dems hold up the government over gay marriage, let me know.
You think you are clever, but you're not. Pulling gay marriage out of your ass shows how desperate you are.
It's a problem of partisanship. People will passively accept or even actively defend the very policies they rail against if it's people in their own parties orchestrating it.
Partisan liberals complain about the Bush tax cuts for the rich but suddenly go silent when you remind them of the Clinton/Summers capital gains tax cut of the late nineties (the REAL tax cut for the rich). They complain about financial deregulation but go silent about the fact that Gramm-Leach-Bliley passed the Senate with a 90-8 vote, championed strongly by Democrats, and also go silent about the fact that Obama and the Democrats cowered to the bank lobby and obediently pushed out the one guy in Washington with the balls to actually regulate derivatives. The go silent about non-defensive wars, environmentalism, and a host of other issues as long as their favorite political team is winning.
Partisanship is the disease here.
As a republican and a staunch conservative... I really would like those that support the shutdown and the debt limit fight to explain how doing such is in line with fiscal responsibility
the debt ceiling and ACA are two separate issues, both of which need to be addressed and neither of which ARE being addressed. Its funny how you and others think it is only the GOP not addressing it when there is very obvious evidence just how petulant and childish the administration is being (especially funny what with you being a republican and all). The government doesn't have to be shut down. The GOP has to date given the democrats 4 separate options, none of which involve a repeal or elimination of the ACA. The democrats refuse to act on the ACA. Neither party is doing ANYTHING with regard to the debt ceiling other than spending more money. It's laughable to even call it a debt ceiling.
I back the republicans in the last debt ceiling debate because I believed they were trying to get the debt and spending under control. I don't have the foggiest idea what they are trying to accomplish this time around. Defund the ACA? I heard rumors that Boehner has dropped that. Lower spending, I heard other rumors that the Democrats dropped their bid to get an increase of 1.2 trillion and agreed to the Republican demand of 980 billion. So what am I missing here?
There is NOTHING "staunch conservative" about your message. It is Democrats who shut down the government, not Republicans and it is not staunch conservative to declare it impossible not to endlessly increase the budget and debt. Your message is typical wolf in sheep's clothing.
I don't think you are missing anything. I am stumped also because it looks like we want to run the economy into the ditch to show that we can do it.
And the 40 times it was put to a vote, along with a SCOTUS decision, it PASSED. It wasn't just a ONE TIME thing as you claim.
If your cause is righteous, what's wrong with an honest answer?
Can I presume that you prefer the shutdown to allowing the House to vote on a "clean CR?"
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As a republican and a staunch conservative... I really would like those that support the shutdown and the debt limit fight to explain how doing such is in line with fiscal responsibility
And the 40 times it was put to a vote, along with a SCOTUS decision, it PASSED. It wasn't just a ONE TIME thing as you claim.
Fact. The democrats would pass a clean bill on the debt ceiling. The republicans are the ones saying no.. unless other conditions are met. and that squarely puts the shutdown in the republican corner. (by the way part of being a conservative is taking responsibility for ones actions. and rightly or wrongly.. the republicans are the cause of the shutdown.. fact).
If your cause is righteous, what's wrong with an honest answer?
Can I presume that you prefer the shutdown to allowing the House to vote on a "clean CR?"
Do you prefer a default?
Tell me... how would you feel about them "standing on principle".. if during those times.. they refused to allow the debt ceiling to be raised until they had a single payer healthcare system in America?
Republicans ABSOLUTELY bear responsibility for this shutdown, but they in no way bear SOLE responsibility.
Again, where did I say you should quit trying to get something changed? I didn't. However, holding up the government because it is the ONLY way you can is acting like a spoiled brat like the GOP is doing. When the Dems hold up the government over gay marriage, let me know.
You think you are clever, but you're not. Pulling gay marriage out of your ass shows how desperate you are.
Do you agree with legislative add-ons and policy riders??That's not fact, that's opinion.
Here's the only true fact regarding why the government shut down.
The senate and house could not agree on a measure to fund the government after midnight, october 1st.
The Koch brothers letter to Senate Repubs has them running for the rafters, let alone explicitly distancing from this tactic..
Treasury bills doubled in interest overnight, adding to the Ryan budget,,
a budget that Cantor has admitted he has all he wanted
I back the republicans in the last debt ceiling debate because I believed they were trying to get the debt and spending under control. I don't have the foggiest idea what they are trying to accomplish this time around. Defund the ACA? I heard rumors that Boehner has dropped that. Lower spending, I heard other rumors that the Democrats dropped their bid to get an increase of 1.2 trillion and agreed to the Republican demand of 980 billion. So what am I missing here?
Won't speak for others, but when Harry Reid threatened to defund the government if we didn't defund Iraq I didn't fault him for that action. I disagreed with his view on the matter, I disagreed that his actions were intelligent or wise, but I didn't fault him for attempting to make a principled stand on what he was elected for.
You ask how people would feel about them "standing on principle" to do something I'd dislike? I'd have a significant disagreement with their goal, and I'd try to counter their goal as best as possible, but I wouldn't "feel" antipathy or anger towards them...nor declare them "terrorists", "anarchists", or any other sort of overblown hyperbolic rhetoric that POLITICIANS, not just typical nutjobs, are using....for the mere fact of standing on principle.
What exactly is "Clean CR" ?
Thom Paine
Oddly, and this is another of those interesting areas where we just have a different, if consistent, worldview, I thought those efforts where a bunch of **** too. You don't hurt the country in order to get legislation passed. If you don't have the votes, and cannot get the votes, then so be it.
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