It was excessive. Given what he was being punished for (the father stated it) and the actual punishment, that was excessive punishment. That punishment would not be given to most military personnel now for the given offense (unless they were possibly in prison already).
It was excessive. Given what he was being punished for (the father stated it) and the actual punishment, that was excessive punishment. That punishment would not be given to most military personnel now for the given offense (unless they were possibly in prison already).
Hell I think my book bag was that heavy..
So long as the child was allowed to carry it in an ergonomically sound way I don't see the need for the police to be involved as there would be little risk of injury.
It's an idiotic method of punishment though. If I were a teen something like that would have only made me pissed off and more determined to have my way.
Yeah, that's not racist.
Could you please answer one simple question for us:
What harm was done to the kid?
Child abuse is when a child is caused to come to harm, so could you please point out what harm was done.
The bolded is really sort of the point. With a teenage male, the test of wills becomes pretty pronounced, and the father figure and the son figuratively battle it out. I suspect that this is nature's way of saying that you're getting prepared for true autonomy, and I don't see it as a bad thing. I am a little conflicted about the method of punishment, not that it was too much, but may have served to do nothing constructive, but it's certainly not worthy of legal trouble on the part of the father.
Yes, it does. It's called "making the punishment fit the crime".
Was it so excessive that it would be called abusive? Was so excessive that the police and CPS be involved? I don't think it was remotely excessive. You believe otherwise. So this is a judgment call, which doubt should go to the parents.
Don't sound racist at all, you need the information?
It was excessive in your opinion. The law isn't based on opinions. Within the letter of the law, this is clearly not a crime.
So I guess you would make a child that doesn't use an "indoor voice" go around screaming their head off as punishment.
Not letting your child sleep is, in fact, abusive.
However.
I won't make a judgement on this without knowing some history. Maybe this is a problem child. Got enough energy to get in trouble...the he's got enough energy to do PTs at 3am. Can't make that call from the armchair, though.
Actually, large portions of the law are based on "opinions". Many things are relative, including the words "cruel", "excessive", and even "too much". The Georgia code on "child cruelty" says this:
"(b) Any person commits the offense of cruelty to children in the first degree when such person maliciously causes a child under the age of 18 cruel or excessive physical or mental pain. "
Georgia Code - Crimes and Offenses - Title 16, Section 16-5-70 - Georgia Attorney Resources - Georgia Laws
Both cruel and excessive are subjective. It would certainly be excessive to force most children below the age of ten to run 5 or 10 miles as punishment, even just a mile or two. However, some teenaged athletes train by running those amounts. It would be cruel to sentence a person to 5 years in jail for stealing a candy bar (shoplifting) with a completely clean record and nothing else but he/she simply took the candy bar out of the store. It would not be cruel to apply that sentence to someone who robbed a store at gun point and/or attacked someone (assault).
Was it so excessive that it would be called abusive? Was so excessive that the police and CPS be involved? I don't think it was remotely excessive. You believe otherwise. So this is a judgment call, which doubt should go to the parents.
I erred on the charges, thinking they were abuse charges. It doesn't really change my opinion on whether this child cruelty or not. I believe it was within the parents right. Honestly it would be more cruel of the kids parents to allow him to continue to not take care of his responsibilities and not hold him accountable.
There are less excessive/cruel punishments that would more likely work and not put him in danger of potential health issues such as heat exhaustion/stroke, muscle strains/sprains, or many other things that are potentials depending on more information about the actual conditions.
There is a lot of information left out of the article, so I cant be sure the kid was in any danger or not. His father being a military man, I would assume he knows health and conditioning. But all we can do is assume with the information given.
Showing a kid who's boss tends to backfire more often than not. Punishments like this are a good way to make a defiant child's behavior worse. Typically it is good parenting to find punishments that induce unpleasant feelings but avoid making a child angry. Boredom and misery for example are great but under appreciated tools.
I made a teenager sit still for two days over a weekend once (excepting necessities) and the results were amazing.
It doesn't backfire IF you are consistent. The reason most punishments fail is lack of consistency. Your right it is a test of wills. A parent needs to start early and often to pass that test.
I would call it cruelty, which is what he is being charged with. I would say that they should have given him a warning. But for all we know, they could have did that first, and the guy said that he felt there was nothing wrong with the punishment and do it again, and that's why they decided to charge him.
If you abuse your kids, keep on abusing them! Consistency is the key!
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