Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia**[W:808]**

[SheWolf]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

As I stated earlier, In many ways I do.

Obama was a great orator. It is difficult to follow some of Trump's speeches.

Obama knew not to tweet every thought at 3am. Trump could take some notes on being more Presidential.

Just as long as he kept policy decisions the way he has been.

Why back him as president if you don't think he is presidential? It looks like he can't do the job.

 

[beefheart]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

Keep your TV on......

He had a beautiful chance to do it earlier today, didn't he?

But he didn't, did he?

Got some more names to call me?

 

[Tanngrisnir]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

You can state that all you want.

But it is the truth. He set a precedent in how to respond to race riots by calling for calm for all sides and that hatred has no place here and we need to unite as Americans.

Nope. You can pretend that Obama did what you're claiming he did, but you'll just look foolish.

He set no 'precedent'. You cannot demonstrate that he did so.

What you are claiming to be 'truth' is simply historical pig-ignorance.

Let me make this really clear: what you say he did? He didn't do.

 

[Caine]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

Why are you still bringing up Lincoln? Take history in context, and you're still shooting blanks, at a strawman that no one cares about.



Me too Lincoln, me too.

General Lee saw slavery as immoral, and even worse for the spirit of white folks as for blacks. His wife was a part of an organization that, knowing blacks would never be treated fairly in America as equals, worked towards colonizing Liberia by shipping American slave blacks back to Africa. Lincoln was also involved in this group.

Both Lincoln and Lee made white supremacy comments, as well as those condemning slavery.

Yet because Lee decided to return to Virginia to defend his home state, on the wrong side of a war, he is not given a pass.

And while I conceed the point that he was ultimate fighting "On the side of SlaveerY!!!11!!one!!", he had his own reasons, and was his own person, who deserves to be viewed as an individual.

 

[JasperL]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

You don't know anything about Lee do you?

He didn't found the CSA.

He didn't even agree with the CSA, didn't think it should be a thing. Viewed it as an unnecessary rebellion. Viewed slavery as immoral (yet to his discredit thought it was up to god to end it (stupid religion people)).

You really need to educate yourself about someone more if you are going to talk about them.

I was talking about Jefferson Davis, which is why I named him and not Lee. Thought that would be clear.

And you can't pretend that Lincoln, and the people who seceded in protest of Lincoln's election, are in any way equivalent on the question of civil rights for blacks. It's like comparing George Wallace and MLK, Jr.

 

[SheWolf]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

Have you been watching Fox News today?

I have. Its on right now in fact. And they have done a fine job of talking mad **** about white supremacists in general and David Duke (because he was in Charlottesville today) specifically.

So, you are way off base here.

I don't have cable news. I am also not seeing right wingers talk mad **** about white nationalists, nor did they seem bothered by the way black people were talked about. In fact, a lot of posters come on here to DP and talked that same **** about black people, Obama, and BLM, so they weren't complaining back then about right wing rhetoric.

 

[Caine]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

Nope. You can pretend that Obama did what you're claiming he did, but you'll just look foolish.

He set no 'precedent'. You cannot demonstrate that he did so.

What you are claiming to be 'truth' is simply historical pig-ignorance.

Let me make this really clear: what you say he did? He didn't do.

So then he specifically called out Black Lives Matter groups as being wrong in the race riots of Ferguson and Wisconsin?

 

[Geoist]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

Now I know how the Middle East feels when the Taliban and ISIS started blowing up their statues.

It is simply inappropriate for a state to have a statue of a traitor on display on government grounds (and I am someone who has some admiration for Robert E. Lee). Putting it in a museum or on private property would be far more appropriate.

And, for the record, I am generally against statues of anyone. I see them as a form of idolatry and these angry protests only confirm my belief.

 

[Jack Hays]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

With all due respect, this is exactly what white privilege is.

(I'm also making a wild assumption that you're white. Apologies if that's not true).

"White privilege" is just a propaganda talking point. Class privilege, on the other hand, is real.

 

[haymarket]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

Compare and contrast the public statement of Trump and that of Mcauliffe. One forcefully told the right wing hate mongers to get out of America - the other bragged about his economic numbers and tried to pretend their was blame on all sides because he was afraid to call out the far right since he harbors some of their leaders in the White House.

Trump demonstrates more and more every day why he must be removed ASAP.

 

[Caine]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

I don't have cable news. I am also not seeing right wingers talk mad **** about white nationalists, nor did they seem bothered by the way black people were talked about. In fact, a lot of posters come on here to DP and talked that same **** about black people, Obama, and BLM, so they weren't complaining back then about right wing rhetoric.

You specifically mentioned how Fox News talked about BLM. I specifically told you about how Fox News is covering this incident today.

I have constantly talked negatively about the hateful white supremacists in this thread.

I have even pointed out to you in previous posts that I have been doing so (which you ignored).

Stop pretending you aren't reading what you are reading in this thread so you can keep perpetuating the lie that the right welcomes these white supremacists.

 

[SheWolf]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

You are taking this all wrong. Them being racist jersk are the reason why they are racist jerks. But them simply being racist jerks isn't ENTIRELY what provided the motivation for these morons to go out and engage in violent riot and protest. The constant barrage of identity politics and "white shaming" and discussions of "white privilege", devaluing any white person's opinion in this "conversation" that Obama encouraged us all to have on race just because of the identity of the speaker, the riots of BLM (seemingly encouraged by the previous president, although that isn't actually the case), the videos of black people in Wisconsin and Charlotte beating people just for being white during race riots in those places.......

All of that stuff helped bring this to a boiling point. Its because of these incidents and the way this conversation has been going for the past few years that has these fools motivated to perpetuate violence. These folks feel they are being persecuted for being white.

Its not what "made them racist". Its what helped motivate their violence.



I feel its sad to have to explain this.

Anti-fa, BLM, bitch ass white person, it doesn't matter. They are breaking laws.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

So then he specifically called out Black Lives Matter groups as being wrong in the race riots of Ferguson and Wisconsin?

Sigh. Yet again: irrelevant.

What are you trying to prove here?

 

[Port & Starboard]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

He had a beautiful chance to do it earlier today, didn't he?

But he didn't, did he?

Got some more names to call me?

Not in the open...................you can get gigged for it.

The president comes out and condemns all hate. ( pretty much a blanket statement) That tells me that he's got it covered.

Beefheart wets his panties because he didn't mention the term white supremacy?

Will Beefheart be happy when he comes on TV and condemns WS, or will it be 12 hours too late?

 

[SheWolf]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

My stance is that there are some things that are so deplorable that they should automatically disqualify someone from receiving your vote.

To me, sexist and racist attitudes fit that bill (and maybe also climate change denial).

edit: you don't have to necessarily agree with the racist/sexist stances to have voted for him, but you had to be willing to let them slide.

I agree.

 

[Caine]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

"White privilege" is just a propaganda talking point. Class privilege, on the other hand, is real.

"White privilege" is a way to silence opposition in a debate based upon identity only.

 

[Tigerace117]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

Now I know how the Middle East feels when the Taliban and ISIS started blowing up their statues.

:roll:

No. No, you really don't.

 

[Caine]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

Sigh. Yet again: irrelevant.

What are you trying to prove here?

Im trying to prove that not specifically calling out the agitators of an event like this, opting to call for peace and unity on both sides has become the standard Presidential response to this sort of domestic violence.

 

[Geoist]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

General Lee saw slavery as immoral, and even worse for the spirit of white folks as for blacks. His wife was a part of an organization that, knowing blacks would never be treated fairly in America as equals, worked towards colonizing Liberia by shipping American slave blacks back to Africa. Lincoln was also involved in this group.

Both Lincoln and Lee made white supremacy comments, as well as those condemning slavery.

Yet because Lee decided to return to Virginia to defend his home state, on the wrong side of a war, he is not given a pass.

And while I conceed the point that he was ultimate fighting "On the side of SlaveerY!!!11!!one!!", he had his own reasons, and was his own person, who deserves to be viewed as an individual.

And this is why I have more respect for Lee than most of the Confederates. Still, he chose the wrong side, was technically a traitor, and has no business being displayed as an idol on public grounds.

 

[apdst]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

Anti-fa, BLM, bitch ass white person, it doesn't matter. They are breaking laws.

Wait, what?

 

[Caine]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

And this is why I have more respect for Lee than most of the Confederates. Still, he chose the wrong side, was technically a traitor, and has no business being displayed as an idol on public grounds.

Outside of Virginia, I would agree.

Within Virginia, he fought a war on the wrong side, a side he didn't originally agree with (as per his recorded statements from letters during that period) because he loved Virginia and returned to defend her from attack.

 

[SheWolf]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

Im not justifying what they are doing..... So why ask the question about whether that justifies what the Nazi's did?

Im not mitigating anything. Please quote me.

All I am saying is that identity politics and the events of the past couple of years have provided these fools the motivation to engage in violence.

Before all this ****, and for decades, "White Supremacy" groups were just viewed as a bunch of loons hanging out and hating together and not really bothering anyone.

And you think they all of a sudden decided to come out and start acting violently? They feel threatened.

Acknowledging facts isn't mitigating ****.

If that is the case, I'd ask why you were trying to mitigate the Nazis actions since you brought up the fact that the Versailles treaty was part of the motivation behind their formation and actions.

They always feel threatened. They are really not under any threat though.

White genocide is pure nonesense, and their list of complaints and proof as far as that goes involves zero violence.

 

[Erod]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

Now if we could just get this much condemnation for Antifa and BLM.

 

[Daisy]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

So who started the violence?

 

[chuckiechan]

Re: Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia

You specifically mentioned how Fox News talked about BLM. I specifically told you about how Fox News is covering this incident today.

I have constantly talked negatively about the hateful white supremacists in this thread.

I have even pointed out to you in previous posts that I have been doing so (which you ignored).

Stop pretending you aren't reading what you are reading in this thread so you can keep perpetuating the lie that the right welcomes these white supremacists.

Well, it could be they are pissed off about this too:

DNC chair candidates bash white people