Family of Florida teen killed by neighborhood watch volunteer feel 'betrayed' by law

[MoSurveyor]

Re: Family of Florida teen killed by neighborhood watch volunteer feel 'betrayed' by

You didn't?

What made the operator ask if he was following him at 1:54?
The air rushing by the mic?

Did that not stop shortly after the operator told him that hey didn't need him to do that at 1:59?
The air rushing past the mic stops at 2:11.

Even assuming what we're hearing is "air rushing by the mic" are you saying the wind speed never changes? Or that one is always facing the correct direction for the mic to pick up the wind? That assertion is full of wind ...

 

[joko104]

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Yes, because as we know, law enforcement has long favored black people in their confrontation with whites.

Still again, Zimmerman isn't white. But you just keep writing it in your declaring all whites are racists.

 

[Thunder]

Re: Family of Florida teen killed by neighborhood watch volunteer feel 'betrayed' by

I'm pretty sure Zimmerman (as other neighborhood watch captains)...

that's the thing: he was a self-appointed neighborhood watch captain.

in fact, he was the ENTIRE neighborhood watch.

he beat up a cop. he beat up an ex-girlfriend.

he had a restraining order placed against him.

he was refused entry into the police force.

this is the kinda guy we are dealing with here.

 

[Thunder]

Re: Family of Florida teen killed by neighborhood watch volunteer feel 'betrayed' by

Still again, Zimmerman isn't white. But you just keep writing it in your declaring all whites are racists.

Zimmerman looks white to me.



and btw, this is his MUGSHOT. from one of his many prior arrests.

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: Family of Florida teen killed by neighborhood watch volunteer feel 'betrayed' by

that's the thing: he was a self-appointed neighborhood watch captain.

in fact, he was the ENTIRE neighborhood watch.

he beat up a cop. he beat up an ex-girlfriend.

he had a restraining order placed against him.

he was refused entry into the police force.

this is the kinda guy we are dealing with here.

wannabee deputy dog I think is what we are dealing with

 

[joko104]

Re: Family of Florida teen killed by neighborhood watch volunteer feel 'betrayed' by

says who???

says the law.

only LEOs have the right to stop & question a suspect.

anyone else doing it is illegally preventing a citizen form going on his way. its called unlawful imprisonment.

Not really and I previously gave explanation of Florida on "citizen's arrest. However, nothing shows Zimmerman prevented Martin from going on his way. That seems backup by the statement of his girlfriend - who of course is lying on behalf of Zimmerman just like the 13 year old eye witness because the are self-hating African-Americans.

 

[joko104]

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oh, at the bare minimum..he should be arrested.

in fact I pray he is arrested and some charges pressed. cause if they aren't, I think something bad might happen.

I do think controlling the mob will take top priority, yes.

 

[joko104]

Re: Family of Florida teen killed by neighborhood watch volunteer feel 'betrayed' by

It was most likely the kid yelling for help.

[video]http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2012/03/21/tsr-zarrella-trayvon-martin.cnn[/video]

If forensics can determine, I believe it very likely it was Zimmerman.

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

Re: Family of Florida teen killed by neighborhood watch volunteer feel 'betrayed' by

Zimmerman was not instructed to stay inside of his car by the police or anybody else.

He was instructed by the procedures in place for neighborhood watchmen to avoid contact with a suspect.

 

[joko104]

Re: Family of Florida teen killed by neighborhood watch volunteer feel 'betrayed' by

He was instructed by the procedures in place for neighborhood watchmen to avoid contact with a suspect.

I have not seen proof he did, though violating a neighborhood watch rule doesn't mean much. What evidence do you have that Zimmerman initiated the contact?

 

[ric27]

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wannabee deputy dog I think is what we are dealing with

That wannabee will **** up eventually....

Small discrepancies will add up over time

 

[joko104]

Re: Family of Florida teen killed by neighborhood watch volunteer feel 'betrayed' by

It was most likely the kid yelling for help.

[video]http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2012/03/21/tsr-zarrella-trayvon-martin.cnn[/video]

I don't think so.

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

Re: Family of Florida teen killed by neighborhood watch volunteer feel 'betrayed' by

According to the police report issued, the only exact statement Zimmerman said was "I was yelling for someone to help me, but no one would help me" in quotes.

According to an eyewitness, Zimmerman was on top of Martin.

 

[joko104]

Re: Family of Florida teen killed by neighborhood watch volunteer feel 'betrayed' by

Maybe the FBI investigation will conclude the same things that the authors of the bill in question have. I hope so.

This one is a case for a jury to decide. He should be arrested.

It is common for people to believe every suspect should be presumed guilty and immediately put in jail where he or she remains for months to a couple years and until and unless not found not guilty. That way there is no chance that even one guilty person ever truly gets away with anything.

Your view that of presuming suspects guilty and held in jail unless it can later be proven he or she is innocent is probably the majority opinion now. It used to be the presumption was towards innocence, but most people don't really think that anymore. As you put it, imprisonment of Zimmerman should definitely start now. Maybe in 2014 a jury will find him wrongly find him not guilty - so at least he got some punishment.

Plus, if they house him with black inmates he might be willing to plea to a manslaughter charge quickly in exchange for a transfer-deal. Personally, with the White House political machinery Justice Department summarily declaring him essentially guilty, I think that is how this will go. He will be arrested, put in general population, and then Zimmerman has only two options really left. Plea to a lower plea bargain, or be threatened and beaten hoping he isn't raped and killed. That's not an uncommon tactic and imprisoning someone for a trials months or a couple years later is a good way to force a guilty plea out of someone.

 

[MoSurveyor]

Re: Family of Florida teen killed by neighborhood watch volunteer feel 'betrayed' by

I have not seen proof he did, though violating a neighborhood watch rule doesn't mean much. What evidence do you have that Zimmerman initiated the contact?

The last thing we heard from Zimmerman was that Martin was running away.

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

Re: Family of Florida teen killed by neighborhood watch volunteer feel 'betrayed' by

It appears Zimmerman shot Martin in the chest while Martin was kicking Zimmerman and possible trying to take the gun - and as Zimmerman yelled for someone to help him.

At this point, the only logical conclusion I can reach for why you refuse to link to the source where you learned Martin was kicking Zimmerman's head in is that you're lying. It was never reported and you're making it up because you feel your position is too weak to stand on its own.

 

[MaggieD]

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I have not seen proof he did, though violating a neighborhood watch rule doesn't mean much. What evidence do you have that Zimmerman initiated the contact?

He got out of his car.

It is common for people to believe every suspect should be presumed guilty and immediately put in jail where he or she remains for months to a couple years and until and unless not found not guilty. That way there is no chance that even one guilty person ever truly gets away with anything.

Your view that is is critical to presume all suspects guilty and held in jail unless it can later be proven he or she is innocent is probably the majority opinion now. It used to be the presumption was towards innocence, but most people don't really think that anymore. As you put it, imprisonment of Zimmerman should definitely start now. Maybe in 2014 a jury will find him wrongly find him not guilty - so at least he got some punishment.

It isn't up to the LEOs to determine someone guilt or innocense...it's up to juries. This one is a close call. Zimmerman can make bail. If he couldn't make bail, Zimmerman wouldn't spend more than 90 days in jail without trial -- if his defense attornies didn't ask for continuances in hopes somebody would die...something would get lost...yada yada yada.

 

[Porchev]

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I don't think so.

Help, help, I am being attacked by Skittles. Help. No help? Then bang, I am going to shoot a teenager that was doing what most teenagers do, walk home talking with their girlfriends on a cell phone. He had candy walking back to watch a game with his Dad in what should have been a safe neighborhood, but instead the neighborhood had this complete idiot named Zimmerman on patrol.

 

[joko104]

Re: Family of Florida teen killed by neighborhood watch volunteer feel 'betrayed' by

According to an eyewitness, Zimmerman was on top of Martin.

Totally false. Zimmerman was on the ground during "the fight" according to the 13 year old African-American boy eye witness. After Martin was shoot, Zimmerman was over Martin, and told two women approaching to call the police.

 

[joko104]

Re: Family of Florida teen killed by neighborhood watch volunteer feel 'betrayed' by

Help, help, I am being attacked by Skittles. Help. No help? Then bang, I am going to shoot a teenager that was doing what most teenagers do, walk home talking with their girlfriends on a cell phone. He had candy walking back to watch a game with his Dad in what should have been a safe neighborhood, but instead the neighborhood had this complete idiot named Zimmerman on patrol.

And who know Skittles so dangerous to be able to knock someone to the ground, give him a bloddy nose and bloody back of his head. They really MUST outlaw Skittles.

 

[OhIsee.Then]

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Sure. Which is why the Florida AJ has stepped in to investigate as well as the feds. Because it's being handled correctly by the local police.

No, you are incorrect. Because it made the national news. The Feds, as they should be, were uninformed by the state of Florida doing what is intended by the state of Florida. When the incident hit the national news the Feds were thus informed. The Florida AJ because the Feds are now into what happened. Now as far as the state is concerned the Feds are just causing trouble.

 

[LaMidRighter]

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I think it is a case of negligent homicide at the least. I don't know if there was a bias that led to bad judgement or if the guy is an idiot, but either way he should have assessed the situation better.

 

[mac]

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28 year old pudgy Zimmerman ran down 17 year old football player Martin? Yes, that makes sense. In what I see as lynch mob mentality.

What makes more sense? 28 year old pudgy Zimmerman, self appointed community watch captain, shoots a 17 year old resident of his community who was armed with skittles and ice tea? That makes more sense to you?

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

Re: Family of Florida teen killed by neighborhood watch volunteer feel 'betrayed' by

I have not seen proof he ...

Cries the poster who lied about Martin kicking Zimmerman in the head. :roll::roll::roll:

What evidence do you have that Zimmerman initiated the contact?

He was in his car. Trayvon was running away from him. The only way there was contact, which occurred away from Zimmerman's car, is if Zimmerman got out of his car and went after him.

 

[mac]

Re: Family of Florida teen killed by neighborhood watch volunteer feel 'betrayed' by

And who know Skittles so dangerous to be able to knock someone to the ground, give him a bloddy nose and bloody back of his head. They really MUST outlaw Skittles.

The survivor of 1000 fights thinks a bloody nose and a scrape on the head is worth shooting someone for?