Family of Florida teen killed by neighborhood watch volunteer feel 'betrayed' by law

[Thunder]

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According to the police report issued, the only exact statement Zimmerman said was "I was yelling for someone to help me, but no one would help me" in quotes.

Yet for pages of this thread and even reported in the media, it was declared to be Martin shouting for help, just like it claimed over and over that Martin was running away - falsely.

There has been SOO much wrong, selective and disinformation, that an actual discussion of what actually happened or as least as is known is all but impossible.

I DO recall my being ridiculed on this thread for questioning the "truism" of Martin running away and Martin shouting for help - as just two examples.

um...why would a guy with a gun, be yelling for help?

 

[Wiggen]

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are you suggesting that Martin shot himself in the chest with Zimmerman's gun?????????

Well, clearly there are those who have concluded that a trigger happy, intellectually challenged frustrated wannabe cop couldn't possibly have murdered a black kid, because in the entire history of the world, such a thing has never happened.

If anybody ever wonders how white people got away with murdering blacks in the south for years without any consequences, just read this thread.

 

[TurtleDude]

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um...why would a guy with a gun, be yelling for help?

he's out of ammo?

the other guy is a better shot

the other guy is bulletproof


Oh those don't apply

No idea-sounds pretty stupid

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: Family of Florida teen killed by neighborhood watch volunteer feel 'betrayed' by

Well, clearly there are those who have concluded that a trigger happy, intellectually challenged frustrated wannabe cop couldn't possibly have murdered a black kid, because in the entire history of the world, such a thing has never happened.

If anybody ever wonders how white people got away with murdering blacks in the south for years without any consequences, just read this thread.

it cuts both ways. if four black cops with good records had beat up some white mope who appeared to be on PCP in LA I doubt the Clinton Justice Department would have intervened if a black jury had acquitted the cops for giving some jerk an ass kicking

 

[joko104]

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On that, you are probably right. Zimmerman will not go to jail because A) this is Florida, B) He's white, and C) the victim is black.

Zimmerman isn't white.

But a nice try to try to possibly make your favorite accusation about everything and everyone not doing what you want.

 

[Thunder]

Re: Family of Florida teen killed by neighborhood watch volunteer feel 'betrayed' by

what's the moral of the story here folks?

stay in your damn car. Let the police do their job.

 

[Thunder]

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Zimmerman isn't white.....

um...his last name is Zimmerman. The guy is part German.

 

[joko104]

Re: Family of Florida teen killed by neighborhood watch volunteer feel 'betrayed' by

Well, clearly there are those who have concluded that a trigger happy, intellectually challenged frustrated wannabe cop couldn't possibly have murdered a black kid, because in the entire history of the world, such a thing has never happened.

If anybody ever wonders how white people got away with murdering blacks in the south for years without any consequences, just read this thread.

Zimmerman's not white. He didn't even say the race of Martin until the dispatcher asked him and at first he wasn't certain.

But keep saying he is because you it fits and others here also want him to be white to make the claim.

 

[MaggieD]

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what's the moral of the story here folks?

stay in your damn car. Let the police do their job.

Wrong moral.

If you're black, don't go out at night to buy Skittles.

 

[missypea]

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Zimmerman isn't white.

But a nice try to try to possibly make your favorite accusation about everything and everyone not doing what you want.

He may not be white but he's not black either and most certainly sounds racist. Did you hear him on the 911 call saying "****ing coons"?
:thinking:

 

[joko104]

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um...his last name is Zimmerman. The guy is part German.

And the President's name is Muslim.

 

[joko104]

Re: Family of Florida teen killed by neighborhood watch volunteer feel 'betrayed' by

what's the moral of the story here folks?

stay in your damn car. Let the police do their job.

I agree with that.

 

[Thunder]

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And the President's name is Muslim.

his middle name is Muslim. His FAMILY name, is Kenyan.

and Obama is part Kenyan.

now back to the thread.

 

[Excon]

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Zimmerman was not instructed to stay inside of his car by the police or anybody else.

that is not true.

he told them he was pursuing Martin, and the police told him "we don't need you to do that".

Yes it is true.

As already pointed out to you in post #664

so if a 911 dispatcher tells you to do something, you don't have to do it?

As reply:

I have read this thread from beginning to end and those that are all for convicting Zimmerman have a totally biased way of looking at the facts and twisting them to fit their preconceived narrative.

For instance; Zimmerman was told by police not not follow the individual.
That never happened. A 911 operator told Zimmerman that "they" didn't need him to follow
the individual. That is not an 'order'. That is not 'telling' him to do anything. All it is, is advice from an operator.

...

If people can not reiterate the facts without twisting them, their position is weak.

Zimmermann had NO right and NO authority, to confront and question ANYONE!!!!!

Says who?

Besides, your narrative is off.
Martin confronted Zimmerman first, as evidenced by the girlfriends statement.
It was only after this did he question martin.

 

[TurtleDude]

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Wrong moral.

If you're black, don't go out at night to buy Skittles.

did you say Skittles

 

[What if...?]

Re: Family of Florida teen killed by neighborhood watch volunteer feel 'betrayed' by

The statement made was that he was attacked from behind, not jumped from behind.

Read the girlfriends statement again.
Martin's confronting him with a question and his replying and then a scuffle ensuing could have came from behind and happened quickly enough to be interpreted and relayed as an attack from behind.

Ok. Lets try another tack.

Nobody here knows what happened. Afaik, the only person who knows for sure is Zimmerman. And he's sticking to his story, so far.

I'm a pattern recognizer. I'm pretty good at "people". From what we have heard, Zimmerman is EXACTLY the kind of jackass who gets in peoples faces and throws his authority around (real or imagined). The kind who acts like such an ass that he gets his ass kicked. Which is PROBABLY what happened.

Now it is possible that Martin had a history of violence or a confrontational demeanor or some other factor that will cause me to alter my assessment.

But I don't think its gonna happen, and here's why:

This is a high profile firearm self defense case.

A Public Relations NIGHTMARE.

I promise you that as soon as this case drew national attention, an intensive investigation of Martin was launched. A standard crisis management response in PR. And the gun lobby has great PR people. If he was a "bad-egg" it would be all over the internet, but its not.

People who don't fight normally don't pick fights with much larger opponents in unfamiliar territory. I just can't get a model to run where an up-to-this-point good kid picked THAT time and place to go all "gangsta" on an innocent neighborhood watch guy. Just jump on him and start kicking this guys ass, when he's never jumped on anybody and kicked their ass before.

All it takes is a lucky punch in the face followed by falling back across the sidewalk to account for Zimmermans reported injuries. Hell, you could catch a guy with an elbow shrugging a hand off your shoulder. Heck, you might even start yellin like a little girl if some great big sucker grabbed ahold of you. Even a sissy fight could result a broken nose and an overweight person simply falling backwards.

Only Zimmerman knows, and if the truth will make him look like a jackass, he will never tell.

But it is FAR more likely that he is the responsible party. That had he not acted, nothing would have happened.

That Martin would have walked home and enjoyed his Skittles and iced tea while watching the game with his dad.

The course of his life was fatally altered by the actions of Zimmerman. There is NO evidence to the contrary. None. Martin was COMPLETELY innocent until Zimmerman acted as far as anyone knows.

He was just walking home from the store.

 

[Thunder]

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...Says who?....

says who???

says the law.

only LEOs have the right to stop & question a suspect.

anyone else doing it is illegally preventing a citizen form going on his way. its called unlawful imprisonment.

 

[joko104]

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are you suggesting that Martin shot himself in the chest with Zimmerman's gun?????????

At least follow the thread for 2 pages. This response was to a lynch mobber declaring it a fact that Zimmerman shot Martin while Martin was running away.

It appears Zimmerman shot Martin in the chest while Martin was kicking Zimmerman and possible trying to take the gun - and as Zimmerman yelled for someone to help him.

At that point, Zimmerman had a duty to hand the gun to Martin seems your opinion, because although Martin was very fit, he lacked the weight and maybe training to quickly stomp Zimmerman to death - which of course the law required Zimmerman's death at that point and Zimmerman failed to comply.

 

[Thunder]

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At least follow the thread for 2 pages. This response was to a lynch mobber declaring it a fact that Zimmerman shot Martin while Martin was running away.

It appears Zimmerman shot Martin in the chest while Martin was kicking Zimmerman and possible trying to take the gun - and as Zimmerman yelled for someone to help him.

At that point, Zimmerman had a duty to hand the gun to Martin seems your opinion, because although Martin was very fit, he lacked the weight and maybe training to quickly stomp Zimmerman to death - which of course the law required Zimmerman's death at that point and Zimmerman failed to comply.

man, your post is soo full of bull**** & strawmen, it just ain't funny.

 

[Wiggen]

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it cuts both ways. if four black cops with good records had beat up some white mope who appeared to be on PCP in LA I doubt the Clinton Justice Department would have intervened if a black jury had acquitted the cops for giving some jerk an ass kicking

Yes, because as we know, law enforcement has long favored black people in their confrontation with whites.

 

[MaggieD]

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Dennis Baxley, a Republican state representative and co-author of the 2005 self-defense law, said Zimmerman negated his ability to claim immunity under the law by chasing Martin.

"This law is for innocent, law-abiding citizens who are under attack by a perpetrator," Baxley told The Huffington Post. "Anyone who is out pursuing and confronting people is not protected by this statute."

"I think they need to go back and read the statute," Baxley said, referring to the Sanford Police Department.

Former Republican State Sen. Durell Peadon, another co-author of the law, said Zimmerman "has no protection under my law."

"They need to prosecute whoever shot the kid," Peadon told the Miami Herald on Tuesday.

Gun rights advocates also question the decision not to charge Zimmerman.

"I don't see why he hasn't been arrested," said Sean Caranna, executive director of Florida Carry, a gun rights group.

Zimmerman had no right to follow and confront Martin in the first place, Caranna noted.

"Being the neighborhood watch guy doesn't give you carte blanche to stop and question every guy you see walking down the street," Caranna said.

A spokesman for the Sanford Police Department did not respond to a request for comment.

Maybe the FBI investigation will conclude the same things that the authors of the bill in question have. I hope so.

This one is a case for a jury to decide. He should be arrested.

 

[Thunder]

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Maybe the FBI investigation will conclude the same things that the authors of the bill in question have. I hope so.

This one is a case for a jury to decide. He should be arrested.

oh, at the bare minimum..he should be arrested.

in fact I pray he is arrested and some charges pressed. cause if they aren't, I think something bad might happen.

 

[Porchev]

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It appears Zimmerman shot Martin in the chest while Martin was kicking Zimmerman and possible trying to take the gun - and as Zimmerman yelled for someone to help him.

It was most likely the kid yelling for help.

[video]http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2012/03/21/tsr-zarrella-trayvon-martin.cnn[/video]

 

[TurtleDude]

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Yes, because as we know, law enforcement has long favored black people in their confrontation with whites.

lets deal with current reality and your attempts to constantly whine about whites is pathetic. I call em like I see em and race is not at issue with me. I am suggesting that some guy who is apparently more white than anything else provoked a confrontation and took the coward's way out over a boy who apparently is more black than anything else (other than dead)

do you know why cops used to favor whites in the past? because many of them were racist.

do you know why cops might not favor blacks now-even black cops-because if you are a cop your chances of dealing with mopes is rather high and sadly, lots of mopes tend to be young black males

 

[ric27]

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Zimmerman was not instructed to stay inside of his car by the police or anybody else.

I'm pretty sure Zimmerman (as other neighborhood watch captains) are aware of a list of easy guidelines (local PD) that...***If you see someone in your neighborhood (possible gated community) that you don't recognize, call us. There is no harm in us (cops) talking to them and ascertaining their identity and purpose in the area*** Its plain and simple to follow

Anything further than calling, giving description and location is NOT advisable

Cops take over...talk and de-escalate the situation before it gets to the point of acting out

Zimmerman must have known this