Family of Florida teen killed by neighborhood watch volunteer feel 'betrayed' by law

[buck]

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How log was it between when the cops got there and when the questioned Zimmerman? Think about how many things the cops had to do before questioning Zimmerman. (This would only matter in a state w/o a SYGL.)

In one of the 911 calls, the caller stated they had just heard a gunshot and while talking to the operator indicated they already saw the police out there. So, that's pretty darn quick.

 

[OhIsee.Then]

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In one of the 911 calls, the caller stated they had just heard a gunshot and while talking to the operator indicated they already saw the police out there. So, that's pretty darn quick.

Sorry, you missed it again. It doesn't matter for this issue when the police got there, rather it matters when they questioned him. The police arrived at a scene with a lot to do immediately, questioning Zimmerman would not typically be one of them. So do you know how long it was before Zimmerman was questioned in a way that was recorded or at least accurately remembered? My bet is that that information is only available to a few. And I'm sure the timing is one that the outsiders are trying to determine.

 

[joko104]

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Sorry, you missed it again. It doesn't matter for this issue when the police got there, rather it matters when they questioned him. The police arrived at a scene with a lot to do immediately, questioning Zimmerman would not typically be one of them. So do you know how long it was before Zimmerman was questioned in a way that was recorded or at least accurately remembered? My bet is that that information is only available to a few. And I'm sure the timing is one that the outsiders are trying to determine.

I read somewhere they questioned him for 2 hours and spoke to witnesses, but can't find the link. I know on the police report they list many witnesses that the blocked out the name and contact information for.

Maybe those at least are safe for a while from the mob and Obama's goons.

 

[buck]

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Sorry, you missed it again. It doesn't matter for this issue when the police got there, rather it matters when they questioned him. The police arrived at a scene with a lot to do immediately, questioning Zimmerman would not typically be one of them. So do you know how long it was before Zimmerman was questioned in a way that was recorded or at least accurately remembered? My bet is that that information is only available to a few. And I'm sure the timing is one that the outsiders are trying to determine.

According to the police report... when they first put him in the police car, was when he indicated that he had been calling for help. So, how long do you think it was from the cops getting there and placing Zimmerman in the cop car? Minutes?

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

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Keeping someone under observation until the police arrive is not giving chase. It is not wrong behavior that surrenders his claim to self defense.

Trayvon was runnng from Zimmerman ... the only way Zimmerman could "keeping someone under observation" at that point was to chase after him.

 

[Excon]

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Trayvon was runnng from Zimmerman ... the only way Zimmerman could "keeping someone under observation" at that point was to chase after him.

Keeping someone under observation until the police arrive is not giving chase. It is not wrong behavior that surrenders his claim to self defense.

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

Re: Family of Florida teen killed by neighborhood watch volunteer feel 'betrayed' by

Keeping someone under observation until the police arrive is not giving chase. It is not wrong behavior that surrenders his claim to self defense.

Sorry, but you don't get to redefine the English language. There is simply no way to "keep someone under observation" who you've lost sight of, and with whom you catch up to, unless you chase after them.

 

[joko104]

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Trayvon was runnng from Zimmerman ... the only way Zimmerman could "keeping someone under observation" at that point was to chase after him.

Do you have any proof that Martin's 16 year old girl friend lied or that Martin lied to her when he told her that he wasn't going to run?

The hate-Zimmerman groupies have had to shift from relying on no evidence to claiming that every every witness, every eye witness and even Martin himself are all liars.

 

[Excon]

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Sorry, but you don't get to redefine the English language. There is simply no way to "keep someone under observation" who you've lost sight of, and with whom you catch up to, unless you chase after them.

lol No one from this side of the isle is redefining anything here.
He lost him attempting to keep him under observation.

No matter how you wish to define it and redefine it; Keeping someone under observation until the police arrive is not giving chase. It is not wrong behavior that surrenders his claim to self defense.
You got that?
It isn't wrong.

You just don't like it because it doesn't fit with your preconceived and biased narrative of what happened.

Too bad.

 

[ric27]

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In one of the 911 calls, the caller stated they had just heard a gunshot and while talking to the operator indicated they already saw the police out there. So, that's pretty darn quick.

When taking into account....Zim was in fear of his life, he cooperated fully with, the cops knowing fully that it was a very serious situation and finally being extremely upset over all what just happened

To me, he's telling the truth

 

[Hatuey]

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Do you have any proof that Martin's 16 year old girl friend lied or that Martin lied to her when he told her that he wasn't going to run?

The hate-Zimmerman groupies have had to shift from relying on no evidence to claiming that every every witness, every eye witness and even Martin himself are all liars.

Rofl. You have ONE anonymous witness. Please stop making **** up.

 

[Excon]

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Rofl. You have ONE anonymous witness. Please stop making **** up.

That person is not anonymous to the police, is he?

 

[Hatuey]

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lol No one from this side of the isle is redefining anything here.
He lost him attempting to keep him under observation.

No matter how you wish to define it and redefine it; Keeping someone under observation until the police arrive is not giving chase. It is not wrong behavior that surrenders his claim to self defense.
You got that?
It isn't wrong.

You just don't like it because it doesn't fit with your preconceived and biased narrative of what happened.

Too bad.

The "excon" is jumping through a lot of hoops in order to pretend that if you're chasing after somebody, you're not giving chase. Do the words false imprisonment mean anything to the excon? What about "legal authority" which Zimmerman had none of? No? I didn't think so.

 

[Hatuey]

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That person is not anonymous to the police, is he?

1. The police haven't made any public announcements on the veracity of his/her story.
2. Not a single prosecutor has questioned this supposed "anonymous witness".
3. For all we know, this person doesn't exist outside of the pages of newspaper rags.

:shrug:

 

[Excon]

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1. The police haven't made any public announcements on the veracity of his/her story.
2. Not a single prosecutor has questioned this supposed "anonymous witness".
3. For all we know, this person doesn't exist outside of the pages of newspaper rags.

:shrug:

lol
The person called 911.
ref. #1 the police have made a general statement that says there is no evidence to contradict Zimmerman's statement.
ref. #2 You do not know that.
ref. #3 lol see "The person called 911."

The "excon" is jumping through a lot of hoops in order to pretend that if you're chasing after somebody, you're not giving chase. Do the words false imprisonment mean anything to the excon? What about "legal authority" which Zimmerman had none of? No? I didn't think so.

No evidence supports your hyperbolic supposition.

 

[joko104]

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Rofl. You have ONE anonymous witness. Please stop making **** up.

Three witnesses and none are anonymous to the police. Two more also not anonymous who heard Zimmerman yelling for help, plus Martin's father now confirming it was not his son. Six witnesses. Seven if you count Zimmerman. Given the death threats releasing their names publicly is not an option.

 

[haymarket]

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lol

ref. #1 the police have made a general statement that says there is no evidence to contradict Zimmerman's statement.




No evidence supports your hyperbolic supposition.

The witness who could have told us the definitive series of events which led to this fight is sadly dead. And Zimmerman killed him.

Convenient to say the least.

 

[Disputatious71]

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The witness who could have told us the definitive series of events which led to this fight is sadly dead. And Zimmerman killed him.

Convenient to say the least.

Strange that is NOT what this witness says...

Witness: Martin attacked Zimmerman

"The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me: 'help, help…and I told him to stop and I was calling 911," he said.Trayvon Martin was in a hoodie; Zimmerman was in red.
The witness only wanted to be identified as "John," and didn't not want to be shown on camera.
His statements to police were instrumental, because police backed up Zimmerman's claims, saying those screams on the 911 call are those of Zimmerman.
"When I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point," John said.

When the actual facts come out I am sure many people on both sides of this issue will be proven wrong !

 

[Excon]

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The witness who could have told us the definitive series of events which led to this fight is sadly dead. And Zimmerman killed him.

Convenient to say the least.

Convenient for your hyperbole.
You have no idea if he would have told the truth or not.

 

[Crosscheck]

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When taking into account....Zim was in fear of his life, he cooperated fully with, the cops knowing fully that it was a very serious situation and finally being extremely upset over all what just happened

To me, he's telling the truth

A very serious situation? A kid walking down the street is a serious situation?

Life must be hard for you.

 

[Blue_State]

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Strange that is NOT what this witness says...



When the actual facts come out I am sure many people on both sides of this issue will be proven wrong !

At this point, I want the courts to decide instead of mob justice.

 

[OhIsee.Then]

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I read somewhere they questioned him for 2 hours and spoke to witnesses, but can't find the link. I know on the police report they list many witnesses that the blocked out the name and contact information for.

You are noting something different that the issue you started with. I'm claiming that Zimmerman had time before his questioning to get his story straight. Given the situation there is every reason to think Zimmerman had time.

Maybe those at least are safe for a while from the mob and Obama's goons.

Who are Obama's coons exactly?

 

[OhIsee.Then]

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According to the police report... when they first put him in the police car, was when he indicated that he had been calling for help. So, how long do you think it was from the cops getting there and placing Zimmerman in the cop car? Minutes?

He was calling for help. He was loosing the fight he likely started and getting badly beaten bloody. The only part of his story he had to get straight is saying that Martin started the fight. This is what the SYGL allows. It lowers the costs of having criminals taken care of. But, Oh I see. Then it allows someone to kill Zimmerman as I've explained in some detail. Just what the country of Florida wants. I have to add that Florida leaves it up to experts like Zimmerman to determine who is a criminal. Another very significant cost saving.

 

[Excon]

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I'm claiming that Zimmerman had time before his questioning to get his story straight. Given the situation there is every reason to think Zimmerman had time.

Time?
In the state of mind he was in after multiple traumatic incidents?
He was immediately taken into custody, his wounds treated on scene and then transported to the station where he was interviewed.
He had time?
Time to concoct a lie that would fit all other unknown evidence.
A lie that would stand up to scrutiny.
Time you say?
Given the situation - rediculous.

 

[MaggieD]

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No matter the outcome, no matter if Zimmerman is indicted or not, he has become the poster child for what Neighborhood Watch volunteers should never do.

Neighborhood Watch volunteers are the eyes and ears of police departments across this country. Notice I said "eyes and ears." They are not, in any way, expected to be enforcers.