Family of Florida teen killed by neighborhood watch volunteer feel 'betrayed' by law

Thunder said:

Zimmerman was siting in his car. He had no reason to fear Martin.

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TheNextEra said:

He's received death threats and has had to move out of his home because of it. If that isn't saying he is guilty, then what would YOU call it?

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TheNextEra said:

...I don't believe they have any real authority. However, they do have the LEGAL right to follow someone if they think they are suspicious. And even that is only to a point. If MArtin felt he was being stalked, he could have called the police....

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MaggieD said:

The police department should have done more.

Do you think it would have all been over at the scene if it was a doctor's son who was shot? In a white affluent neighborhood? I don't.

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TheNextEra said:

When he approached to talk to him and if Martin acted aggressive he would.

Getting out of the car is not illegal.

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Thunder said:

or, under Florida law, he could Stand His Ground.

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MaggieD said:

Things that make one go, "Hmmmmmm....." :

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TheNextEra said:

So does Zimmerman. Can you prove as fact Martin didn't act aggresive? These are things that have to be looked at as well.

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joko104 said:

My memory may be wrong and I don't care to dig down links again, but now that I think about it, I don't remember reading in the police report of the two officers who spoke to Zimmerman even stating in that report they gave him a Miranda Warning - and I just heard on TV they interviewed him for 2 hours - so not exactly "spontaneous."

If so, it is likely that whether or not anything Zimmerman told the police is admissible or not might depend singularly on whether the Defense wants the jury to hear it.

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joko104 said:

The State of the "Council of Conservative Citizens":


"Trayvon Martin was on top of Zimmerman punching him when he was shot.

Besides the fact that almost all media outlets have lied about what race George Zimmerman is (he is a Latino/Mestizo), they are also censoring major important details of the case. Some have even published wild opinions about the 911 calls as if the opinions were factual statements.

Would you be surprised to know that the statements of the eyewitness are being censored in almost every media story about the shooting?

1. When police officers arrived, George Zimmerman had a bloody nose and was bleeding from a wound on the back on his head.
2. The eyewitness who called 911 said Zimmerman who screamed for help.
3. The eyewitness also reports that Zimmerman was on the ground and Martin was on top of him beating on him.

This information was made public by a local Orlando television station on February 27th. We now have 22 days of rampant media reports that omit these facts. Once you see what information the police had, it is obvious why they did not arrest him. They were simply abiding by Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law. Police are now required to have evidence that a shooter was not acting in self-defense.

How many times have you heard the phrase “Trayvon Martin was a cheerful person,” but you had never heard the words of the eye-witness to the shooting?

Each time you see a “mainstream” news outlet rant about the Zimmerman/Martin case, ask yourself why these three facts mentioned above are missing from the story. Ask yourself why the media is called Zimmerman a white man instead of a Latino. Ask yourself if you think the story is really news or is it agitation/propaganda designed to advance a political agenda.

This past weekend in Chicago alone, black and Latino gangbabgers shot 10 people and wounded 40. The youngest fatality is only six years old. This received no national coverage. Why does this one shooting warrant weeks of coverage?

Even if you think Zimmerman was completely unjustified in firing his gun; ask yourself why 99% of the now thousands of articles are solely from the point of view of the grieving family without trying give a balanced account of the events."

Trayvon Martin was on top of Zimmerman punching him when he was shot.

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TheNextEra said:

And Zimmerman had good reason to fear Martin depending on how Martin acted when confornted as well.

You make the assumption that Martin was the victim here and not acting aggresive. I'm saying we don't know for sure about either one of them.

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What if...? said:

Hmmmm is right.

And I read this morning that the officer in charge was criticized for failing to arrest a lieutenant's son who was videotaped beating a homeless man.

Curiouser and curiouser.

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TheNextEra said:

Yes, it does. So why don't you apply that to Zimmerman as well?

You are making assumptions that Zimmerman is guilty. I'm saying we don't know for sure.

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Thunder said:

following him in his car and then on foot, in the middle of the night, was an act of intimidation.

Martin was justified in fearing for his safety.

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grip said:

Zimmerman sure looks guilty but I agree that the Media with their rush to judgement before "due process" for ratings and Activists (glory hounds) willing to start trouble over any hint of Rights infringement, have began a "Lynch Mob" mentality in our public discourse. Sometimes it takes an outcry for justice to be served and this may be the case but it's awful soon.

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soccerboy22 said:

While that is true, I think it is reasonable to assume that up until the actual fight, Zimmerman was the aggresive one. Not only ignoring what the police said, but also following Martin in his car and then getting out. Following the kid is one thing, but getting out is something different. Zimmerman had no reason to get out of that car, and if he was afraid he was stupid to get out, because the car was probably the safest place for him.

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TheNextEra said:

If that was an act of intimidation, all law enforcement is guilty of intimidation.

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ric27 said:

Not so much the Miranda warning, but the simple fact is after a shooting you need to STFU and get to a hospital and your first call after 911 is to your lawyer. Period

You tell your story to the lawyer and the Grand Jury when the time comes, not on the spot....Never on the spot

Gives you time to tighten any loose ends

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soccerboy22 said:

Zimmerman had no reason to get out of that car, and if he was afraid he was stupid to get out, because the car was probably the safest place for him.

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TheNextEra said:

You, see that last part is what I'm really upset with. The police should have done further investigation.

And Zimmerman might well be guilty, however, all I'm saying is that we don't know for sure right now.

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Thunder said:

pretty stupid thing to say.

LEOs are required to follow possible criminals. A person doesn't have the right to use force against a LEO.

wow, the defenders of Zimmerman are really getting desperate.

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Thunder said:

well, you see....Zimmermann was SOOO afraid of Martin...that he chose to leave the safety of his car and stalk him on foot. In the middle of the night. In the rain.

yeah, Zimmerman was full of fear alright. Fear that someone might see him shooting the kid.

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soccerboy22 said:

I do not believe the guy actually had intent to shoot the kid, but I am just saying, from a realistic aspect. Hwo stupid to do you have to be to leave your car, when this kid probably noticed you following him to walk up to him on foot.

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TheNextEra said:

Again, Zimmerman might have felt he could handle the problem. However, if the kid wasn't really scared and attacked Zimmerman, Zimmerman would be in the right to shoot the kid.

So far many people are just assuming Martin is this nice happy go lucky kid with no aggresive act in his body. We don't know what actions the boy took either.

That's all I'm saying is we don't know all the facts and people are making Zimmerman guilty automatically. It is not illegla to get out of your car.

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