Exclusive: Putin-linked think tank drew up plan to sway 2016 U.S. election - document

[Moot]

Re: Exclusive: Putin-linked think tank drew up plan to sway 2016 U.S. election - docu

Yup...everyone who thinks this is BS is a Russian collaborator. How did this giant conspiracy go on so long without being caught?!?!?!

Well, if the shoe fits...wear it.

They were caught almost as soon as Guccifer 2.0 made it's first dump.

Russia Hackers to Blame for Wikileaks Emails - Proof Vladmir Putin Was Behind the Clinton Email Hack

Ah...so you admit they won't find any solid evidence aside from some crying about propaganda on RT. Glad that's outta the way.

I admitted no such thing.

No it didn't.

It came a former Mi6 agent that was working for both the FBI and MI6.

 

[hanger4]

Re: Exclusive: Putin-linked think tank drew up plan to sway 2016 U.S. election - docu

When I asked you if you intended to move the goal posts all those pages ago and you refused to answer, I had you pegged. I'm not lifting a finger for you.

You've pegged nothing, I've moved nothing and you've answered nothing. You post mostly left of center talking points and memes then deflect when called on them.

Tis you that's been pegged.

 

[j-mac]

Re: Exclusive: Putin-linked think tank drew up plan to sway 2016 U.S. election - docu

Spearfishing is hacking.

No, "spearphishing" is just that...Hacking is an outside person, or group working actively to get around security measures without the victim knowing about it...Spearphishing takes the victim to offer up their information, you know, like Podesta stupidly did....HE was responsible for the information being obtained....

So in other words, when you typed "Nope" you really meant "Yup."

Nope, I meant nope....But you know that.

If the table was turned I wouldn't be pretending that it was no biggie that a hostile foreign power undermined our democracy by hacking into one party's emails, created and spread fake news, manipulated voter rolls and sowed distrust of our institutions.

Obama didn't take cyber security seriously enough for 8 years while those around him were screaming that we were vulnerable...Now you look to everyone but those responsible, namely Podesta, Obama, and the DNC themselves. And you have already admitted that this claim of yours "manipulated voter roles" is bogus, so why are you still using it like some practiced talking point line? It's foolish.

And I wouldn't pretend that it was no biggie if a President Clinton worked actively to sabotage a House Intelligence Committe's investigation into Russia's interference. Nor would I expect her to opine on firing the FBI director while the FBI was in the process of investigating her for possible collusion with Russia.

The more we find out, the more it looks like some real shady stuff was going on, but not with Trump, with Obama, and Comey....He should have fired him, as far as I am concerned...He's a hack...But, in the end he'll be exposed too...

Tell me something, Jmac, if everything was identical save the name of the winner, how would you feel about a President Hillary Clinton under these circumstances?

No, I get it...You can't stand the POTUS, but you guy's are weaving one hell of a tale of distortion, hoping that enough gets thrown against the wall to stick...But the more that is peeled back on this onion, the more it is revealing how high up this BS plan to undermine in incoming POTUS went, and it is sad that democrats have taken America to this place with their contempt of this great nation....

I mean, look man, democrats are already a bi coastal regional party now, all you guys are doing is further destroying any chances you have left to rebound.

 

[Cardinal]

Re: Exclusive: Putin-linked think tank drew up plan to sway 2016 U.S. election - docu

You've pegged nothing, I've moved nothing and you've answered nothing. You post mostly left of center talking points and memes then deflect when called on them.

Tis you that's been pegged.

I have no intention of providing the kind of service for you that I would for others here. So no research, no linking to sources, no cutting and pasting articles. Nothing. If you're okay with that, then feel free to keep responding.

 

[j-mac]

Re: Exclusive: Putin-linked think tank drew up plan to sway 2016 U.S. election - docu

Yes, the attempt happened. Why are you dismissing the relevance of that?

An attempt may have happened, but it wasn't successful...You are including it as if it were....That's is just plain dishonest....

 

[Cardinal]

Re: Exclusive: Putin-linked think tank drew up plan to sway 2016 U.S. election - docu

No, "spearphishing" is just that...Hacking is an outside person, or group working actively to get around security measures without the victim knowing about it...Spearphishing takes the victim to offer up their information, you know, like Podesta stupidly did....HE was responsible for the information being obtained....

What do you hope to gain by trying to convince me that spearphishing isn't hacking? It's so asinine I can't see the endgame here.

Nope, I meant nope....But you know that.

Which you then follow up with by saying he did in fact ask Russia to hack Clinton's emails.

Obama --

:yawn:

didn't take cyber security seriously enough for 8 years while those around him were screaming that we were vulnerable...Now you look to everyone but those responsible, namely Podesta, Obama, and the DNC themselves. And you have already admitted that this claim of yours "manipulated voter roles" is bogus, so why are you still using it like some practiced talking point line? It's foolish.

The more we find out, the more it looks like some real shady stuff was going on, but not with Trump, with Obama, and Comey....He should have fired him, as far as I am concerned...He's a hack...But, in the end he'll be exposed too...

No, I get it...You can't stand the POTUS, but you guy's are weaving one hell of a tale of distortion, hoping that enough gets thrown against the wall to stick...But the more that is peeled back on this onion, the more it is revealing how high up this BS plan to undermine in incoming POTUS went, and it is sad that democrats have taken America to this place with their contempt of this great nation....

I mean, look man, democrats are already a bi coastal regional party now, all you guys are doing is further destroying any chances you have left to rebound.

J-mac, if a President Hillary Clinton was elected with the help of Russia, and she deliberately made attempts to sabotage the committee investigating Russia's gaming of the election, what would you have thought of that?

 

[hanger4]

Re: Exclusive: Putin-linked think tank drew up plan to sway 2016 U.S. election - docu

I have no intention of providing the kind of service for you that I would for others here. So no research, no linking to sources, no cutting and pasting articles. Nothing. If you're okay with that, then feel free to keep responding.

Then be careful what you say and you have no right to demand that which you refuse to provide.

BTW Trump didn't ask the Ruskies to hack Clintons email.

 

[Cardinal]

Re: Exclusive: Putin-linked think tank drew up plan to sway 2016 U.S. election - docu

An attempt may have happened, but it wasn't successful...You are including it as if it were....That's is just plain dishonest....

As with your "spearphishing isn't hacking" comment, attempting to minimize the significance of Russia's attempt to manipulate voting registries is so asinine I can't see your endgame. It's too goofy to even respond to.

 

[Cardinal]

Re: Exclusive: Putin-linked think tank drew up plan to sway 2016 U.S. election - docu

Then be careful what you say and you have no right to demand that which you refuse to provide.

Go make me a sandwich.

 

[j-mac]

Re: Exclusive: Putin-linked think tank drew up plan to sway 2016 U.S. election - docu

What do you hope to gain by trying to convince me that spearphishing isn't hacking? It's so asinine I can't see the endgame here.

Did Podesta, or did he not, voluntarily give up his password? Which BTW, was stupid enough to be "password"... Come on man....You can't seriously think this **** up....:lamo

Which you then follow up with by saying he did in fact ask Russia to hack Clinton's emails.

You libs are really running into credibility issues when you try to use campaign hyperbole as serious.

J-mac, if a President Hillary Clinton was elected with the help of Russia, and she deliberately made attempts to sabotage the committee investigating Russia's gaming of the election, what would you have thought of that?

Just can't leave those talking points alone eh? "Russia gaming the election" laughable....Show me one bit of evidence that proves that Russia had any effect on the outcome of the election count....You can't. You guy's need to stop already...MSNBC let it go, finally, you should too.

 

[hanger4]

Re: Exclusive: Putin-linked think tank drew up plan to sway 2016 U.S. election - docu

Go make me a sandwich.

Serious third grade commentary that is.

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

Re: Exclusive: Putin-linked think tank drew up plan to sway 2016 U.S. election - docu

No need for 'other words' when mine were very succinct. The rat party has used the Russians as their scapegoat for getting caught ****ing over their constituents for 11 months now. They werent caught ****ing over republicans...they were caught ****ing over half their base. In that video Brazille once again lies and has only recently acknowledged she was guilty. But the dialogue was never about how damning the emails were that were released. No...the rhetoric has ALWAYS been "its not fair! We were the VICTIMS! It was the RUSSIANS!!!" The credibility scale is non-existent.

Ive long said and still maintain...IF the evidence proves something actionable occurred...then by golly...lets have it. Full investigations...hearings...let the trith come out. I dont care who fries. I didnt vote for Trump. I'm not invested in him personally or the GOP at all. But...here we are...11 months later...nothing but continuous accusations. I dont go on baseless speculation. I DO look at what we KNOW. What we KNOW is that the DNC got caught redhanded and used the Russians as a scapegoat. We know that just like Hillary's email servers, the DNC refused to turn over their email servers and provided the FBI with their 'evidence'. And we know there is a ****lload of speculation...and nothing else.

It isnt a scapegoat, its actually an ongoing official investigation. The truth indeed will come out. Do you not want the truth to come out? It makes no sense to not wait on the results of the investigation. Personally I hope that trump is proven innocent and that Russia didnt get that deep into our inner workings. I do think that at the very least the investigation will show that Trump acted like an idiot.

AT any rate the longer the investigation the more likely that Trump is guilty of treason. If there was nothing to the charges they would have been done a longtime ago. I find that troubling considering that we all depend on the president having integrity. Oh and if the DNC, Hillary and all them idiots did something illegal why isnt the Republicans (and especially trump) not going after them?

 

[j-mac]

Re: Exclusive: Putin-linked think tank drew up plan to sway 2016 U.S. election - docu

As with your "spearphishing isn't hacking" comment, attempting to minimize the significance of Russia's attempt to manipulate voting registries is so asinine I can't see your endgame. It's too goofy to even respond to.

No, you're just getting a little kooky with this stuff....Here I'll give you what your hero Obama said about Russia in 2012



That's what you libs thought about Russia, and because of that you all let them in...Now you are desperate, and hoping you can pin it on your political opponents....Look, I am all for your recent awakening concerning cyber security....But you're a little late.

 

[Cardinal]

Re: Exclusive: Putin-linked think tank drew up plan to sway 2016 U.S. election - docu

Did Podesta, or did he not, voluntarily give up his password? Which BTW, was stupid enough to be "password"... Come on man....You can't seriously think this **** up....:lamo

No, but you clearly can, because that's not true.

You libs are really running into credibility issues when you try to use campaign hyperbole as serious.

That's right, I forgot. It's cheating to quote someone saying the thing we said he said.

Just can't leave those talking points alone eh? "Russia gaming the election" laughable....Show me one bit of evidence that proves that Russia had any effect on the outcome of the election count....You can't. You guy's need to stop already...MSNBC let it go, finally, you should too.

You're dodging. Comey and Rogers and the Senate and House Intelligence committees all accept that Russia manipulated our election. They manipulated our election. Deal with it. So my question stands: if a President Hillary Clinton was elected with the help of Russia, and she deliberately made attempts to sabotage the committee investigating Russia's gaming of the election, what would you have thought of that?

 

[j-mac]

Re: Exclusive: Putin-linked think tank drew up plan to sway 2016 U.S. election - docu

It isnt a scapegoat, its actually an ongoing official investigation. The truth indeed will come out. Do you not want the truth to come out? It makes no sense to not wait on the results of the investigation. Personally I hope that trump is proven innocent and that Russia didnt get that deep into our inner workings. I do think that at the very least the investigation will show that Trump acted like an idiot.

AT any rate the longer the investigation the more likely that Trump is guilty of treason. If there was nothing to the charges they would have been done a longtime ago. I find that troubling considering that we all depend on the president having integrity. Oh and if the DNC, Hillary and all them idiots did something illegal why isnt the Republicans (and especially trump) not going after them?

"Treason".... Yeah, good luck with that pipe dream.....:lamo

 

[Cardinal]

Re: Exclusive: Putin-linked think tank drew up plan to sway 2016 U.S. election - docu

No, you're just getting a little kooky with this stuff....Here I'll give you what your hero Obama said about Russia in 2012

That's what you libs thought about Russia, and because of that you all let them in...Now you are desperate, and hoping you can pin it on your political opponents....Look, I am all for your recent awakening concerning cyber security....But you're a little late.

Your need to make this about Obama and me personally is telling. You're obviously aware that the Russian manipulation of our election and how the President has chosen to deal with it are indefensible, now you think if you insult me and deflect to Obama I'll be distracted.

Spoiler alert: it won't work.

 

[Moot]

Re: Exclusive: Putin-linked think tank drew up plan to sway 2016 U.S. election - docu

"No..Clinton always maintained the emails weren't classified when they were sent or received...and she was correct."

She was incorrect, lying or worse incompetent. From Comey's presser;

"From the group of 30,000 e-mails returned to the State Department, 110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains contained information that was Top Secret at the time they were sent; 36 chains contained Secret information at the time; and eight contained Confidential information, which is the lowest level of classification. Separate from those, about 2,000 additional e-mails were “up-classified” to make them Confidential; the information in those had not been classified at the time the e-mails were sent."

"For example, seven e-mail chains concern matters that were classified at the Top Secret/Special Access Program level when they were sent and received. These chains involved Secretary Clinton both sending e-mails about those matters and receiving e-mails from others about the same matters."

Comey said the FBI only found a few emails were marked classified..and the State Department said it was human error and they shouldn't have been marked classifed at all...and then released them to the public....

"... Some classification markings found in email messages on Hillary Clinton's private server were the result of "human error" and the related information was not considered classified at the time it was sent to her, State Department spokesman John Kirby said Wednesday.

When FBI Director James Comey announced Tuesday that investigators were not recommending any charges in the Clinton email matter, he noted that "a very small number of the e-mails containing classified information bore markings indicating the presence of classified information."

At a regular briefing for reporters Wednesday, Kirby said State is aware of two instances in the set of roughly 30,000 messages turned over to the agency by Clinton where classification markings appeared in the emails. However, he said those were mistakes where staff failed to remove the notations while preparing background and talking points for Clinton in a planned phone call with a foreign official.

"It appears that those...that those markings were a human error. They didn’t need to be there.....

It remained unclear Wednesday whether State and the FBI were in disagreement about whether the information in the call sheets was actually considered classified at the time they were sent to Clinton. Kirby indicated that State officials sending the information to Clinton effectively had the authority to declassify that information..."

State: Some classified markings in Clinton emails were 'human error' - POLITICO
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Hillary was correct...none of the emails she sent or received were marked classified...and even if they were, she still had the authority to declassify them.

 

[j-mac]

Re: Exclusive: Putin-linked think tank drew up plan to sway 2016 U.S. election - docu

No, but you clearly can, because that's not true.

You're in denial my friend....

Is this the email that hacked John Podesta's account? - CNNPolitics.com

How Democrats rolled out the red carpet for hackers - Washington Times

That's right, I forgot. It's cheating to quote someone saying the thing we said he said.

Nah, don't try that **** here....You know damned well that he wasn't saying that as if actually ordering the Russians to do anything...He was mocking Hillary for saying that those 30k emails were lost....

You're dodging. Comey and Rogers and the Senate and House Intelligence committees all accept that Russia manipulated our election.

NO, that is NOT what they said to the committee...Show that part of the testimony....

They manipulated our election.

No, they did not....prove it.

Deal with it.

You lost, deal with it...Clearly you can't.

So my question stands: if a President Hillary Clinton was elected with the help of Russia, and she deliberately made attempts to sabotage the committee investigating Russia's gaming of the election, what would you have thought of that?

False premise...None of that happened....And just you stating it as if it were fact means nothing. Even better, it's a fallacy, which means you've already lost the debate.

 

[apdst]

Re: Exclusive: Putin-linked think tank drew up plan to sway 2016 U.S. election - docu

...any government official in the West is going to attract the attention of the CIA, NSA, MI-6, Bundesnachrichtendienst, etc... when they have contact with government officials of Russia. It is because they are all are focused on Russia, not because they are focused on a particular American (or Brit or German).

You don't want to be watched? Don't talk to Russian government officials.

You're going to be ok if President Trump spies on the Democrat candidate in 2020?

 

[j-mac]

Re: Exclusive: Putin-linked think tank drew up plan to sway 2016 U.S. election - docu

Your need to make this about Obama and me personally is telling. You're obviously aware that the Russian manipulation of our election and how the President has chosen to deal with it are indefensible, now you think if you insult me and deflect to Obama I'll be distracted.

Spoiler alert: it won't work.

I'm not insulting you Cardinal....Why would I do that? I am winning this debate....lol

So far all you have are false claims of manipulation you can't prove, and won't even attempt when asked to provide proof. And dishonest distraction....Well, you're giving me a headache...So, I am out....Night now.

 

[apdst]

Re: Exclusive: Putin-linked think tank drew up plan to sway 2016 U.S. election - docu

What was the original accusation by Trump?

That he was spied on by the Brits. Turned out to be true.

 

[Moot]

Re: Exclusive: Putin-linked think tank drew up plan to sway 2016 U.S. election - docu

You're going to be ok if President Trump spies on the Democrat candidate in 2020?

He already did via his puppet master, Putin...and you still seem okay with it.

 

[OpportunityCost]

Re: Exclusive: Putin-linked think tank drew up plan to sway 2016 U.S. election - docu

Trump was tweeting Russian propaganda and using it in his speeches....


Trump's campaign tactics, trolls strengthened Russia's election meddling, expert says - ABC News

Trump campaign rhetoric aligned with Russian propaganda | MSNBC

Trump Embraces One Of Russia's Favorite Propaganda Tactics ? Whataboutism : NPR

Link 3 is just gibberish.

Links 1 and 2 are a chicken and egg argument. Did Trump do it first or did Russian trolls? Were they in collusion because they were discussing the same things? How do you prove that? Circumstantial at best and easily coincidental. You are reaching as are the media, I mean, you did use ABC, MSNBC and NPR.

 

[hanger4]

Re: Exclusive: Putin-linked think tank drew up plan to sway 2016 U.S. election - docu

Comey said the FBI only found a few emails were marked classified..and the State Department said it was human error and they shouldn't have been marked classifed at all...and then released them to the public....

"... Some classification markings found in email messages on Hillary Clinton's private server were the result of "human error" and the related information was not considered classified at the time it was sent to her, State Department spokesman John Kirby said Wednesday.

When FBI Director James Comey announced Tuesday that investigators were not recommending any charges in the Clinton email matter, he noted that "a very small number of the e-mails containing classified information bore markings indicating the presence of classified information."

At a regular briefing for reporters Wednesday, Kirby said State is aware of two instances in the set of roughly 30,000 messages turned over to the agency by Clinton where classification markings appeared in the emails. However, he said those were mistakes where staff failed to remove the notations while preparing background and talking points for Clinton in a planned phone call with a foreign official.

"It appears that those...that those markings were a human error. They didn’t need to be there.....

It remained unclear Wednesday whether State and the FBI were in disagreement about whether the information in the call sheets was actually considered classified at the time they were sent to Clinton. Kirby indicated that State officials sending the information to Clinton effectively had the authority to declassify that information..."

State: Some classified markings in Clinton emails were 'human error' - POLITICO
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Hillary was correct...none of the emails she sent or received were marked classified...and even if they were, she still had the authority to declassify them.

"Hillary was correct...none of the emails she sent or received were marked classified."

This ^^ is not what you said. A refresher;

"No..Clinton always maintained the emails weren't classified when they were sent or received...and she was correct."

As Comey stated their were numerous chains sent and received by Hillary that were classified at the time of sending and receiving.

Clintons story changed day to day concerning the classified state of her emails.

As an aside, technically she's correct in stating none were marked classified. None are, they're marked "Confidential", "Secret", "Top Secret" or "Top Secret SAP". The last of which Comey said her server contained 7 chained. If, as SoS, she was clueless as to what constituted Top Secret SAP, as you content, then you unknowingly made the case for her incompetence handling classified information.

 

[Cardinal]

Re: Exclusive: Putin-linked think tank drew up plan to sway 2016 U.S. election - docu

You're in denial my friend....

Is this the email that hacked John Podesta's account? - CNNPolitics.com

How Democrats rolled out the red carpet for hackers - Washington Times

Yes, I'm aware he was hacked. But you claimed his password was "password." You shouldn't make up blatant and easily disprovable lies.

Nah, don't try that **** here....You know damned well that he wasn't saying that as if actually ordering the Russians to do anything...He was mocking Hillary for saying that those 30k emails were lost....

Right, he asked them to hack his opponent's emails. You can play the mind reading game if you want, but I won't.

NO, that is NOT what they said to the committee...Show that part of the testimony....

Dude, it was the entire meat of the hearing. Nobody in any level of authority thinks the Russians didn't manipulate the election. Good god, man, what are your sources of information?

No, they did not....prove it.

You lost, deal with it...Clearly you can't.

Gloat troll fail.

False premise...None of that happened....And just you stating it as if it were fact means nothing. Even better, it's a fallacy, which means you've already lost the debate.

Since you made up the bit about Podesta's password, I can't tell if you're also lying about not knowing that Russia manipulated our election. On the off chance you're being sincere, you need to read the Comey transcript. Russia was balls deep in our election.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ies-on-russian-interference-in-2016-election/