Europe is abandoning Trump on the world stage as it turns away from the US toward China

[RetiredUSN]

Amusing that you accuse others of being "smug" while your own attitude exudes arrogance. Your position is nowhere near as secure as you believe it is.

True!

Usually while responding to many smug assholes .

 

[ataraxia]

Liberal BS.

Europe will suck on Putin's dick

Well they will have to stand in line behind us. We got there first.

 

[RetiredUSN]

OK.
Can you post why at least?
Or credentials that give credence to your opinion?

China has been moving up the charts for 30 yrs. We are backing out of trade deals, China is creating new trade deals.

LOL.....

China loves you.

 

[JustHanging]

The 'great again' in MAGA is a callback to the good ole days of white pride as much as it was about restoring economic supremacy.

Yep, uppity blacks like Obama could be slapped down without repercusions. LBJ clearly knew his neighbours well....

"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

 

[Chomsky]

I understand why Europe would do this, but it’s a mistake to turn away from the US before the election. China is not going to be a good global leader, and I don’t think I need to explain why. Europe would be wise to cool their heels for just another few months. If Trump is re-elected, then sure, you’re going to see the world completely redraw all of their treaties around the United States.

Yep. The world is waiting for the election results, which will define whether Trump was a rambunctious mistake, or America's new trajectory.

 

[Chomsky]

Isolated, white and proud: that's all MAGA was anyway. That's all they'll get.

But it's not all doom and gloom. China can't really play the moral conscience of the world the way America used to. Europe could fill that role - and maybe it should never have all hinged on one country with a questionable rights record itself. Economically, Americans may see it as a pivot toward China because it is so often painted in terms of dichotomy - a sort of 'us or them' choice - but what it really means may be diversifying and decentralizing.

Good point. But remember, Europe is fragmenting - itself. CF Brexit, et al. So where's the Euro leadership supposed to come from?

 

[JustHanging]

LOL.....

China loves you.

More than the USA. Obviously it's dumb as **** to trust a moronic conman like Trump. Only the poorly educated would be that stupid.

 

[Linc]

Republicans drew up NAFTA BEFORE the 1992 election. Clinton just signed off on it. Important Farmers have long supported NAFTA.

I see liberal arrogance on full display as Europe will be dependent on China and I am sure that makes you happy since you believe it is more important to be liked that actually generating positive results. Europe needs us a hell of a lot more than we need Europe. Republicans didn't sign NAFTA Clinton did!!

Trump —> several trillion dollar deficits —> Second Depression —> as a mental virus, Trump is orders of magnitude worse than COronaVIrus Disease —> 2019

 

[Rexedgar]

Yep. The world is waiting for the election results, which will define whether Trump was a rambunctious mistake, or America's new trajectory.

 

[Conservative]

Republicans drew up NAFTA BEFORE the 1992 election. Clinton just signed off on it. Important Farmers have long supported NAFTA.

Trump —> several trillion dollar deficits —> Second Depression —> as a mental virus, Trump is orders of magnitude worse than COronaVIrus Disease —> 2019

You keep trying to re-write history but you cannot change it. Obama was an empty suit whose results were away by Trump, Obviously Chicago style politics are in your DNA including attempts to blame the pandemic economic shutdown on Trump and trying to compare it to a depression. You really have no credibility and are incapable of separating economic results from pandemic results willfully comparing the pandemic shutdown to an economic collapse thus depression.

You obviously need Obama style politics and the nanny state, the country doesn't

 

[sanman]

President Donald Trump is presiding over the deterioration of the US's position on the world stage as European countries increasingly look toward China as a future global leader.

This shift is apparent in a series of recent opinion polls that found European sentiment toward the US to be in decline since the start of the coronavirus pandemic.
Europe is abandoning Trump on the world stage as it turns away from the US toward China

Well, As many figured, there is no MAGA. Never was going to be.
We will be 2nd fiddle in the world.

Uhhh, "turning away from US toward China" -- uhh, China's govt is the one that started the damn epidemic with their crooked coverup -- this all wouldn't have happened if it weren't for them.

 

[Conservative]

Noticed that you refuse to discuss policies and issues and continue to promote the politics of personal destruction. Trump's economic policies have blown Obama's 8 year results out of the water and his recovery from the pandemic will show you how it is done vs. Obama's worst recovery from a major recession in modern history

Results are something you refuse to research or acknowledge

 

[uptower]

Good point. But remember, Europe is fragmenting - itself. CF Brexit, et al. So where's the Euro leadership supposed to come from?

Again I'd like to think it will be a more decentralized matter. Perhaps coalitions of the more like minded countries will shift over time. Other G8 or G20 nations may roll in and out at times, such as Canada, Japan, Australia. There may not be one country we can point to anymore and call 'the leader of the free world,' as much as a handful of 'torchbearers'.

Or Trump loses and all this MAGA nonsense is forgoten, America gets back on track - flawed yes, but preferable to chaos.

 

[uptower]

The last liberal President left Trump with an African American unemployment of 8% that dropped to 6%, you tout the dropping of the rate and ignore the actual numbers. Liberals rely on racism, scare tactics, and dependence for their power, Conservatives rely on human nature that promotes individual wealth creation and the keeping of individual freedoms

And what did the last president start with? Since the numbers are so important.

See, we can throw them about as much as we like but numbers mean little without a coherent explanation.

 

[JustHanging]

Overjoyed? That is ludicrous, I am pointing out the fallacy of liberalism including your own country's! Clearly your desire was always to create that European socialist utopia in your country and ours, I am pointing out the results in utopia vs. ours

No, you actually called the deaths "awesome"

Awesome, particularly love those European results

I am pointing out the fallacy of liberalism including your own country's!

No, you are overjoyed that Europeans are dying because someone somewhere hurt your feefees. SMH.

And BTW, Canadians enjoy far more freedoms than Americans. We're among the freest countries in the world. You're way down the list, tied with Belize...kind of fitting considering Trump is turning America into a Banana Republic.

 

[Conservative]

Again I'd like to think it will be a more decentralized matter. Perhaps coalitions of the more like minded countries will shift over time. Other G8 or G20 nations may roll in and out at times, such as Canada, Japan, Australia. There may not be one country we can point to anymore and call 'the leader of the free world,' as much as a handful of 'torchbearers'.

Or Trump loses and all this MAGA nonsense is forgoten, America gets back on track - flawed yes, but preferable to chaos.

LOL, getting back on track in what direction, European utopia? Are you ever going to discuss policies or strictly focus on personality to divert from Biden's empty resume in our private sector economy? We know how badly you need the nanny state so the question will be does the U.S. go back to Obama malaise and failures with Biden or continue to move forward with Trump's economic pre pandemic successes

Obama, 8 years 4 trillion added to GDP including the 842 billion Shovel ready jobs stimulus vs. Trump's 2.7 trillion dollars in 3 years

Obama's 9.3% U-6 vs. Trump's 6.9% pre pandemic results

Wonder who the American people will support? I know who the left socialist wannabes will support. Why should Americans who live in the greatest country on the face of the earth want European results?

 

[Conservative]

No, you actually called the deaths "awesome"






No, you are overjoyed that Europeans are dying because someone somewhere hurt your feefees. SMH.

Overjoyed at proving you wrong, YES, overjoyed at pointing out the failures of European socialism, YES, overjoyed and destroying your narrative again, YES!!

 

[Rexedgar]

Noticed that you refuse to discuss policies and issues and continue to promote the politics of personal destruction. Trump's economic policies have blown Obama's 8 year results out of the water and his recovery from the pandemic will show you how it is done vs. Obama's worst recovery from a major recession in modern history

Results are something you refuse to research or acknowledge

Rabbit hole

:alert

 

[Conservative]

And what did the last president start with? Since the numbers are so important.

See, we can throw them about as much as we like but numbers mean little without a coherent explanation.

The last President started with 142 million Americans employed and after three years it was 141 million Employed

The last President started with a 14.7 trillion dollar economy, spent 842 billion on gov't spending over and above discretionary spending and ended up at 18.7 trillion. Trump was at 21.4 trillion at the end of 2019. 2.7 trillion in 3 years

Care to explain why we should vote for Biden?

 

[JustHanging]

Uhhh, "turning away from US toward China" -- uhh, China's govt is the one that started the damn epidemic with their crooked coverup -- this all wouldn't have happened if it weren't for them.

So what? Trump lies more, and he's a moronic incompetent. You seriously expect the world to put their faith in that?

 

[gino]

This article is stupid on so many levels. First, NO ONE trusts China. Turning to the very country who lied about this virus just long enough to allow it to cripple the world. Yes, that is Definitely going to happen. Ask someone from the far east what they TRUST about China. Second, Europe has allowed their militaries to waste away. If we pull out, how soon will it take for Russia to start getting antsy? Does anyone trust Putin? Hell no!

Now personally, I think we should just pull our military presence from Europe and let them live in the bed they have made.

 

[Conservative]

Rabbit hole

:alert

Your desire for that socialist utopia is on full display

 

[JustHanging]

Overjoyed at proving you wrong, YES, overjoyed at pointing out the failures of European socialism, YES, overjoyed and destroying your narrative again, YES!!

LOL, trying to pull a Trump eh. :lamo

 

[Conservative]

So what? Trump lies more, and he's a moronic incompetent. You seriously expect the world to put their faith in that?

Trump gets results, you focus on rhetoric and ignore policies, Rhetoric serves no purpose, results put food on the table, a roof overhead and clothes on the back. What is it about liberalism that creates your kind of loyalty?

 

[Conservative]

LOL, trying to pull a Trump eh. :lamo

Posting official data doesn't seem to resonate with you. U.S. infection rate is .5% What is Europe's What are the European pre pandemic economic results, what is Canada's. Why the support for liberalism? Makes you feel good??