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EU gives $143 MILLION to terrorists

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cnredd said:
They have every perverted reason to hate Europe...The very same reasons they hate America...

The two things saving Europe from immediate consequences are 1)America is the larger targetm and easier on the PR campaign...2) Europe embraces(appeases) the immigration...

If the US fell off of the face tomorrow, Europe would see the Middle East lash out at them like never before...That's the one aspect that Europe never seems to understand...

They're next in line...The only thing I can see them understanding that is for them to think that the Big, Bad US will handle it for them...That will only work for so long...

In X years, when Londinistan becomes the Capital of Eurabia...now under Sharia Law...they'll probably still sit around and look for the US as a scapegoat..:shrug:




I have to disagree with you there, C.


I think it will be Brusselstan.


I won't live long enough to see it, but I fully expect Eurabians in the future will be insisting Eurabia has always been under Sharia law.


He who controls the past.........
 
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Volker said:
They don't have much reasons to hate Europeans or the European Union as an organization.

That's only because after England gave the territory over to the UN for a future "Israel," they washed their hands of it. America has been the only country that has stood by this nation, while the UN and the EU have watched from the side line.

Since the UN authorized "Israel" and all of Europe benefits from the securities and stabilities in the Middle East that America provides (even though all of Europe lunged at the opportunity to safe guard Saudi during the Gulf War), they should be every bit as hated as the U.S. But they are not, are they?

It just comes down to who is bolder to do what is necessary and who is more likely to stand back and reap the benefits as they hypocritically scoff at the hand that feeds them and is present in their absence. After all, "Why bother when America will expend their funds and bleed for us?"

Europe is in trouble and they are too blind to see the coming storm. Since the riots, there are plenty of people in France who are very well aware of it. It is a general rule that Muslim populations do not assimilate with their host nations or with their non-muslim governments. One thing is certain, we won't see France ever celebrationg their freedom of the press and printing a cartoon that might offend the Muslim people - and that is how it starts.
 
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GySgt said:
Since the UN authorized "Israel" and all of Europe benefits from the securities and stabilities in the Middle East that America provides (even though all of Europe lunged at the opportunity to safe guard Saudi during the Gulf War), they should be every bit as hated as the U.S. But they are not, are they?
No, I don't think we are hated, well, maybe by some extremists.
But I start getting an impression about what you call security and stability.

GySgt said:
It just comes down to who is bolder to do what is necessary and who is more likely to stand back and reap the benefits as they hypocritically scoff at the hand that feeds them and is present in their absence. After all, "Why bother when America will expend their funds and bleed for us?"
"America bleeds for us", how dramatic.

GySgt said:
One thing is certain, we won't see France ever celebrationg their freedom of the press and printing a cartoon that might offend the Muslim people - and that is how it starts.
A widely read French newspaper printed the cartoons at the front page, but I think, they shouldn't have done it.
 
Volker said:
"America bleeds for us", how dramatic.

Yeah, it's sort of what I do, however, it's true.





Volker said:
A widely read French newspaper printed the cartoons at the front page, but I think, they shouldn't have done it.


I had no idea they did that. I am surprised, unless they printed them earlier and not during the riots. It is not acceptable to celebrate freedoms, except when it might upset a group of people who will employ violence in emotional reaction.

It is also not acceptable for the West to have to define their freedoms to the restrictions of another civilization. The sentiment that it is OK to print cartoons depicting Jesus, but not OK to print cartoons depicting Muhammed, is simple hyprocritcal appeasement. Perhaps if Christians rioted in the streets, burned buildings, took hostages, and murdered, the press will bend to their wishes as well. If it hurts their feelings...oh well. Suck it up and act civilized like every other religious individual around the world who looks the other way whenever they are offended. Their behaviour is unacceptable and should not be allowed to intimidate the free.

I hate the press. My distaste for those vultures of global media and entertainment gossip knows no bounds. However, freedom is freedom and it should not be selective to a group of individuals who wish their religious restrictions to define said freedom. The western world has not fought, bled, and died so that relifious zealots may define what we have progressed to.
 
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GySgt said:
I had no idea they did that. I am surprised, unless they printed them earlier and not during the riots. It is not acceptable to celebrate freedoms, except when it might upset a group of people who will employ violence in emotional reaction.
Yes, France Soir printed some of them at 1st of February 2006, when the outrage started. However, I don't think, there was much violance in France because of the cartoons.

GySgt said:
It is also not acceptable for the West to have to define their freedoms to the restrictions of another civilization. The sentiment that it is OK to print cartoons depicting Jesus, but not OK to print cartoons depicting Muhammed, is simple hyprocritcal appeasement. Perhaps if Christians rioted in the streets, burned buildings, took hostages, and murdered, the press will bend to their wishes as well. If it hurts their feelings...oh well. Suck it up and act civilized like every other religious individual around the world who looks the other way whenever they are offended. Their behaviour is unacceptable and should not be allowed to intimidate the free.
This behavior is unacceptable. There were not much riots in Europe because of the cartoons.

GySgt said:
I hate the press. My distaste for those vultures of global media and entertainment gossip knows no bounds. However, freedom is freedom and it should not be selective to a group of individuals who wish their religious restrictions to define said freedom. The western world has not fought, bled, and died so that relifious zealots may define what we have progressed to.
Like it or not, there are restrictions of freedom, otherwise a modern society would not work the way it should.
 
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Volker said:
Yes, France Soir printed some of them at 1st of February 2006, when the outrage started. However, I don't think, there was much violance in France because of the cartoons.

This behavior is unacceptable. There were not much riots in Europe because of the cartoons.

No surprise. The riots and ill behavior were largely from Muslim countries where the dogmatic of religion oppresses. The Muslims in Europe (despite assimilation problems) and the Muslims of the U.S.A. are in an environment where they are afforded freedoms that Muslim countries do not have. They have been exposed to western style societal progress and they are appreciative of it.

This is why we will probably see Islam finally evolve into it's liberal form in America before we see it anywhere else.


Volker said:
Like it or not, there are restrictions of freedom, otherwise a modern society would not work the way it should.


Of course. Absolute freedom is anarchy. There must be rules and restrictions. However, allowing a religion, at it's most extreme conservative nature define those rules and restrictions, is called "stagnation." Hence the "seperation of church and state."
 
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GySgt said:
This is why we will probably see Islam finally evolve into it's liberal form in America before we see it anywhere else.
This is a very interesting thought.



GySgt said:
Of course. Absolute freedom is anarchy. There must be rules and restrictions. However, allowing a religion, at it's most extreme conservative nature define those rules and restrictions, is called "stagnation." Hence the "seperation of church and state."
There should be a balance. With time it will develop to more freedom, I guess.
 
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Volker said:
This is a very interesting thought.

American Muslims are in perhaps the most difficult situation of any immigrant group since the Irish fled the Great Famine. Just as every other major religion has adapted to the unique challenges and opportunities of American life, Islam will do so as well. To retain the devotion of the young, generation after generation, as the possibilities (and the temptations) of America wean them from old behaviors and antique prejudices, Islam will have to travel the humane route pioneered by American Protestantism, Catholicism, and Judaism. There will be great complaints and concerns—as each of these other religions continues to endure. But the ultimate effect of American life is to humanize the practice of faith. The great debate in the Islamic world as the decades advance may well be between progressive American Islam and more conservative forms lingering abroad.

Volker said:
There should be a balance. With time it will develop to more freedom, I guess.

It will. It is the natural course that every other religion has taken throughout history. Islam will prove no different. In this day and age, it will also prove to be the most dangerous. Because of the extreme and diverse interpretations of the Qu'ran and Hadiths, Islam may prove to be the greatest breeding ground of "Apocalyptic" terrorists in history.
 
GySgt said:
I had no idea they did that. I am surprised, unless they printed them earlier and not during the riots. It is not acceptable to celebrate freedoms, except when it might upset a group of people who will employ violence in emotional reaction.

It is also not acceptable for the West to have to define their freedoms to the restrictions of another civilization. The sentiment that it is OK to print cartoons depicting Jesus, but not OK to print cartoons depicting Muhammed, is simple hyprocritcal appeasement. Perhaps if Christians rioted in the streets, burned buildings, took hostages, and murdered, the press will bend to their wishes as well. If it hurts their feelings...oh well. Suck it up and act civilized like every other religious individual around the world who looks the other way whenever they are offended. Their behaviour is unacceptable and should not be allowed to intimidate the free.

I hate the press. My distaste for those vultures of global media and entertainment gossip knows no bounds. However, freedom is freedom and it should not be selective to a group of individuals who wish their religious restrictions to define said freedom. The western world has not fought, bled, and died so that relifious zealots may define what we have progressed to.

[This is mostly a point I've posted in another similar topic]

The issue of freedom of speech regarding the cartoons, doesn't even arise. The Danish journal Jyllands-Posten(Jutlands Post) refused to print cartoons of Christian practices because it would offend the Christian community and "provoke an outcry," something they would rather not do, shortly before they then decided to print these particular caricatures mocking Muslim practices. The cartoons, weeks before, were instigated by the Danish Minister for Culture, particularly reflected in his "Danish cultural struggle's new front" speech, regarding immigrant minority Muslims, given at the Conservative National Conference. A number of Muslim orginizations around the world responsed to the caricatures by writing to the Minister for Culture - who refused to answer, standing by his racist rants.

The European record regarding practice of freedom of speech is essentially horrendous. The mere posturing of freedom speech in Europe is outright laughable, and fundamentally a lie. In Britain, where I live, it's almost at the point of being simply a joke. So, In the US today, where there is a high degree of protection, the press has a legal right to publish vicious anti-Semitic caricatures of Moses with disgusting racist captions. Have you seen it?

Muslims have every right to form protests against the ludicrous idea of publishing the cartoons and the crooked stance of the press, as this being something to do with freedom. We've witnessed the sick, tiny-minded, degenerate creatures, whom consider themselves to be the real so-called "conservative Muslims," use the protests to further their demented agenda and vile lies. Although, one needs only to undertake the relatively simple task of also looking for the expansive strife that other Muslim organizations are constantly embarking on against these idiots, and whilst also interminably exposing the radical groups bullshit. Unfortunately, such stories rarely ever emerge from the realms of the sensantional orientated and commissar-class mainstream press, so you have to look elsewhere.
 
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GySgt said:
American Muslims are in perhaps the most difficult situation of any immigrant group since the Irish fled the Great Famine. Just as every other major religion has adapted to the unique challenges and opportunities of American life, Islam will do so as well. To retain the devotion of the young, generation after generation, as the possibilities (and the temptations) of America wean them from old behaviors and antique prejudices, Islam will have to travel the humane route pioneered by American Protestantism, Catholicism, and Judaism. There will be great complaints and concerns—as each of these other religions continues to endure. But the ultimate effect of American life is to humanize the practice of faith.The great debate in the Islamic world as the decades advance may well be between progressive American Islam and more conservative forms lingering abroad.
Yes, people being at home in different cultures can play an important role for mediation and they can initiate changes. I'm not talking about religious innovation, but about how to interact with different cultures.

GySgt said:
It will. It is the natural course that every other religion has taken throughout history. Islam will prove no different. In this day and age, it will also prove to be the most dangerous. Because of the extreme and diverse interpretations of the Qu'ran and Hadiths, Islam may prove to be the greatest breeding ground of "Apocalyptic" terrorists in history.
These interpretations are from leaders, who want to attract people. They tell them, it's not their fault, if something goes wrong in their lifes, it's the fault of disbelievers, who don't want them to be successful. Yes, this is dangerous.
 
Lets ask?
1. EU is funding a terrorist org. at it's own peril, all this does is open the doors of islam to take over all of Europe.
2. How far down will the EU go before it reverses this fatal error?
3. Lets ask? When they've reach so far down that only the American's can help.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas
 
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chesswarsnow said:
Lets ask?
1. EU is funding a terrorist org. at it's own peril, all this does is open the doors of islam to take over all of Europe.
This sounds like a claim to me, what is the question? EU is not funding a terrorist organization, but projects in Palestine supervised by the Palestinian Authority.
This does not open a door to take anyone over.

chesswarsnow said:
2. How far down will the EU go before it reverses this fatal error?
Fatal error and go far down is your opinion. Many politicians and politically interested people share your view, I do not.

chesswarsnow said:
3. Lets ask? When they've reach so far down that only the American's can help.
American help is welcome, but what is the occasion? Europe has been took over by Palestinians? They have no plans to take us over. They were thinking about joining the European Union, maybe they'll do sometime.
 
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Volker said:
Yes, France Soir printed some of them at 1st of February 2006, when the outrage started. However, I don't think, there was much violance in France because of the cartoons.

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But late on Wednesday its owner, Raymond Lakah, said he had removed managing editor Jacques Lefranc "as a powerful sign of respect for the intimate beliefs and convictions of every individual".

Mr Lakah said: "We express our regrets to the Muslim community and all people who were shocked by the publication."
 
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justone said:
But late on Wednesday its owner, Raymond Lakah, said he had removed managing editor Jacques Lefranc "as a powerful sign of respect for the intimate beliefs and convictions of every individual".

Mr Lakah said: "We express our regrets to the Muslim community and all people who were shocked by the publication."
Yes, this is true. Mr. Lefranc was responsible for printing it. It is said, he was actually against doing so, but he gave in to the will of the other editors. He made a mistake and, bad for him, Mr. Lakah was not willing to tolerate it.
 
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Volker said:
However, I don't think, there was much violance in France

French police have arrested more than 250 people following fresh riots in and around Paris and other parts of France.
Nearly 900 cars were burnt on the ninth consecutive night of unrest in immigrant-dominated areas near Paris, despite a heavy police presence.

Arsonists destroyed 897 vehicles overnight - with 656 burnt in the area around Paris - Paris chief prosecutor Yves Bot said, while police said they had arrested 253 people.

For several nights in a row, there has been the worst riots in Århus for many years.

"This land belongs to us", declared the young rioters. Another arson attack took place sunday night.

Sunday evening the fire department needed police escorts to get in and extinguish an arsonist fire in Søndervangs Alle.

The words of the young muslims sound like an open declaration of war against Danish society.

The riots by French Muslims continue to intensify, with ten police officers shot overnight.

10 Officers Shot as Riots Worsen in French Cities (NYT)
 
Lets ask?
1. Is this a all out war that the French seem to ignore?
2. Will Europe be taken over?
3. Stay tuned.
4. Will the EU know when to call USA for support?
5. Will the next holocaust happen? And will it be directed to non-Jews, Anglo and others, in Europe?
6. Lets ask? When will the EU understand not to feed those who are set for their destruction?

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas
 
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justone said:
French police have arrested more than 250 people following fresh riots in and around Paris and other parts of France.
Nearly 900 cars were burnt on the ninth consecutive night of unrest in immigrant-dominated areas near Paris, despite a heavy police presence.
Ok, maybe I should have said, there was not much violance in France connected to the caricatures.
I thought, it was visible in the context.

What you are talking about happened in November 2005, caricature conflict was in February 2006.
The November riots were not about religion in the first place, I guess.
 
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