Come on man, they started with defunding, then went to delay, now remove med device tax. What the child non leader Obama offered? Nothing.
Give me $10,000. No? OK, give me $5,000. No? How about $1,000?
I'm negotiating. Why aren't you compromising on this? I started at $10,000 and now I'm only asking for $1,000 man. I'm compromising.
What have the Republicans offered in this supposed compromise? And since when do the 161 Republican-sponsored amendments to the ACA not count as compromise?
Ironic, isn't it? And they have the temerity to try to claim Obamacare is somehow a Republican program. :dohPerhaps I missed it but can you substantiate these '161 Republican-sponsored amendments'? I AM aware of 101 that were rejected:
http://rsc.scalise.house.gov/uploadedfiles/gop_amendments_submitted_to_hr_4872--8.31.10.pdf
The method we use to repeal laws we don't like has been followed for 230 years or so, if you think we will allow a bunch of sore losers to change that you are sorely mistaken. The blame for this falls squarely on the Republicans for allowing their party to be hijacked by morons that don't care what the people want but do the bidding of the billionaire backers that put them in power. It is disgusting and it must fall. When will Boner grow a pair?
The PPACA is signed into law and has been upheld by the Supreme Court. In what universe is "defunding the law" "delaying the law", and "gimme something, anything" reasonable? There are plenty of problems with the law but instead of trying to repeal it 40+ TIMES the Republicans should have been pointing out and fixing it's supposed errors. They had two damn years to think of something besides "repeal the law".
Yep. LOL. Imagine that. The House passes a bill then it goes to the Senate. That's been done for a very long time.
The Senate considers it, votes yes or no and if no, it goes to committee. That's been done for a very long time. But the Democrats this time decide to change the way the game has been played and partially shut the government down as a result.
The President has been involved in negotiating bills for a very long time. But this time the President decided to change the way the game has been played and partially shut the government down as a result.
These "morons" don't care what the people want, as evidence by poll after poll from inception until now on this issue. They are disgusting.
Come on man, they started with defunding, then went to delay, now remove med device tax. What the child non leader Obama offered? Nothing.
My dad ran his info and I ran mine..just for giggles.
If I went through the exchange I'd pay almost 2x as much as if I went through a privater insurer outside of the exchange website. For my dad, it was closer to 4x more expensive. I don't qualify for subsidies, and neither does he. What's the point of using the exchange at all if it's cheaper to go outside of it? Most of my friends have run into the same thing.
Just a little FYI for the future, it is a good thing to not claim you don't care right after arguing about it. It lets me know you care. Oh, and also the bragging clues me in on that also. But if you want to pretend you do not care that you are a republican feel free.
The precedent of a President succumbing to blackmail would be far more damaging to the strength of our Republic. The T's will be overridden by the sane eventually and the country will be stronger for it.
I heard they didn't anticipate a large number of enrollees in the first month or so because:
1. The insurance wouldn't take effect until Jan. 1
2. People are still learning and weighing their options
3. A lot of people wait until the last minute
And yet Immigration law is ignored and that's ok. And Democrats push for amnesty to circumvent years of breaking the law, and that's ok too. But God forbid the Republicans ask for the same.
I really do not see the blackmail here. The President wants money and the guys that grant money said he could have it under conditions. That is not contortion. It is good practice.
So you think that if the House T's don't get what they want they can just stop the money till they do? .
Yes actually they can
Read The Constitution
Then they might as well ask for the resignation of the President and all Dems in Congress too while they are at it. Since it is in the Constitution that they can.
Why don't they do that too?
So you think that if the House T's don't get what they want they can just stop the money till they do? The there would be no reason to have the other branches of Govt. since they would all be forced to do whatever the House wants no matter what it is. The next time the Dems have a House majority get ready for a assault weapons ban and strict gun control measures. other wise they won't give out a dime. You see it doesn't sound so good when the shoe is on the other foot.
Look it's not my problem you're not educated on how the Separation of Powers in this country works
I suggest you read The Constitution. You might learn something
Good day to you :2wave:
It doesn't sound so bad either. Obamadon'tcare is the only bill that I can recall that was passed into law without a single vote from the minority party in either chamber.
And no need being silly on a gun bill. Lots of democrats support the 2nd amendment when their jobs are on the line.
So you think that if the House T's don't get what they want they can just stop the money till they do?
Any laws they pass, including funding bills, have to also pass the Senate and be signed by the President. I mean, since we're reading the Constitution....
Its not "silly" it is coming after the 2014 midterms and you can thank the T's for it. No govt. funding without gun control. It is going to be all the rage.
They've proposed several appropriation funding bills which Harry Reid (who runs The Senate) has rejected
So talk to The Democrats if you're worried about 17% of the non essentials of our bloated Government continuously operating
You should also ask Obama why he engaging in this shutdown theatre to try and make the shutdown seem a lot worse than it actually is. That includes barricading privately funded WW2 memorials and kicking Vietnam Vets off their memorials.
Why should Congress fund a bill that gives Obama such power and control over all our lives? Look at the way Obama is already ABUSING his power as President by wielding his IRS/NSA/EPA like the Gestapo. Why should give Obama more power if he's a thug? Congress is doing the right thing. Obamacare is an absolute Fascist Totalitarian disaster and it needs to be stopped.
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