Ellison’s Plan to Export Minnesota Voter Fraud to the Nation

[jamesrage]

Sometimes I have to wonder if America is the only country in the world where a politician can basically advocate for voter fraud and still be elected.



Election Integrity Watch » Ellison’s Plan to Export Minnesota Voter Fraud to the Nation
Congressman Keith Ellison of Minnesota’s 5[SUP]th[/SUP] Congressional District wants to impose Minnesota’s loose election system on the nation. He’s introduced two bills to impose the worst two aspects of Minnesota’s system on the entire country. The combination exponentially undermines election integrity. Ellison’s “Same Day Registration Act” would require all states to allow unverified voters to register and vote on Election Day. This bad idea is exacerbated by the second bill, the “Voter Access Protection Act,” which would prohibit states from requiring voters to show photo ID.
Ellison says his proposals are needed to “curb voter suppression” and protect the rights of young, elderly and minority voters, but photo ID laws in 14 other states have been challenged in the US and state Supreme Courts and plaintiffs have not yet produced a single voter who would be disenfranchised by those laws.
The net effect of Ellison’s two bills is to allow anyone and everyone to cast a ballot on Election Day without any mechanism to verify their identity, citizenship, eligibility, or that they live in the state and precinct they are voting in.

 

[haymarket]

What voter fraud?

 

[Thrilla]

What voter fraud?

the kind that happens in Minnesota....

here's an article for you to mull over at your leisure...
Minnesota Leads the Nation in Voter Fraud Convictions -- ST. PAUL, Minn., Oct. 13, 2011 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ --

 

[radcen]

I am slowly coming around to the idea that many of the recent voter measures are indeed attempts at voter suppression, and not to combat voter fraud as claimed, but... these two measures are not the answer, IMO. At least the same-day registration. I don't favor same-day registration at all. Requiring ID I am torn on.

 

[StillBallin75]

I am slowly coming around to the idea that many of the recent voter measures are indeed attempts at voter suppression, and not to combat voter fraud as claimed, but... these two measures are not the answer, IMO. At least the same-day registration. I don't favor same-day registration at all. Requiring ID I am torn on.

It's my belief that the two are not mutually exclusive. One can legitimately bring up concerns about voter fraud, while also recognizing that the measures implemented to combat it will also limit votes for the other side in the process.

 

[jamesrage]

I am slowly coming around to the idea that many of the recent voter measures are indeed attempts at voter suppression, and not to combat voter fraud as claimed,

How?Last I checked if you need a ID to cash a check, apply for benefits and tax payer funded aid, to get a job, to open a bank account, some places require that you show ID to use a credit car,enroll kids in school, and all sorts of other reasons. A ID is not expensive. There is no reason why anyone today in this country should be without a ID.

 

[rocket88]

the kind that happens in Minnesota....

here's an article for you to mull over at your leisure...
Minnesota Leads the Nation in Voter Fraud Convictions -- ST. PAUL, Minn., Oct. 13, 2011 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ --

All 113 of them? Minnesota's not the biggest state in the world, but 113 is a pretty small number compared to the number of voters in the state. Heck, that's a small number compared to the number of voters in my precinct. Which is just one small part of Ellison's district

The reason the right hates this has nothing to do with voter fraud. Lower turnout historically favors Republicans. The party knows it, so keeping turnout low is something that they'd like to see. You guys are being played like a fiddle.

 

[haymarket]

the kind that happens in Minnesota....

here's an article for you to mull over at your leisure...
Minnesota Leads the Nation in Voter Fraud Convictions -- ST. PAUL, Minn., Oct. 13, 2011 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ --

113 convictions.
2,900,836 voters.

You have to multiply the convictions by a factor of 20,000 to find the percentage of so fraud.

There is no real problem that justifies possible disenfranchising many many many more actual voters. .

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

How?Last I checked if you need a ID to cash a check, apply for benefits and tax payer funded aid, to get a job, to open a bank account, some places require that you show ID to use a credit car,enroll kids in school, and all sorts of other reasons. A ID is not expensive. There is no reason why anyone today in this country should be without a ID.

The only time I have had to show ID other then for flying was for buying alcohol or getting into bars

I have never shown my ID for a job, or to open a bank account. I have put $2000 on my credit card without having my ID checked.

After my first year of schooling I strongly doubt my mother had to show ID, and certainly did not when I was in high school.


If it was not for driving I would have no reason to carry or have picture ID at all

 

[rocket88]

113 convictions.
2,900,836 voters.

You have to multiply the convictions by a factor of 20,000 to find the percentage of so fraud.

There is no real problem that justifies possible disenfranchising many many many more actual voters. .

The percentage works out to about .00004%, or 4/100,000 of 1%. I don't call that a problem that requires fixing.