Elizabeth Warren is ready – in more ways than one

[BitterPill]

Yes. How is citizens united wrong? If people have a right to speak as a group then corporations have a right to speak.

Except a corporation isn't a person; therefore, a corporation can't speak.

A corporation is a fictitious persona created to limit personal liability.

 

[Josie]

I just can't see Hillary Clinton sharing that "first woman to..." experience.

 

[Henrin]

Hurrrrrr......deedurrrrrr.

Try an intelligent response.

It's up for debate how much influence Clinton would allow her to have on policy. I think in the minds of Sanders voters, the best case scenario is Clinton steps down. And of course there's the tie breaker vote thing.

She will have some authority as VP if Hillary wins, but at the end of the day Clinton would still be president and Bernie Sanders supports still find her detestable. I see no rational reason to vote for someone I find detestable because of their running mate.

 

[Henrin]

Except a corporation isn't a person; therefore, a corporation can't speak.

A corporation is a fictitious persona created to limit personal liability.

Your argument doesn't make much sense. Just because the group is called a corporation wouldn't somehow lead to the people in that group not having the right to speak as a group.

 

[Cardinal]

Try an intelligent response.



She will have some authority as VP if Hillary wins, but at the end of the day Clinton would still be president and Bernie Sanders supports still find her detestable. I see no rational reason to vote for someone I find detestable because of their running mate.

I've already stated the objective appeal Bernie Sanders would find in a Warren Vice Presidency. If you don't like it, you don't like it.

 

[MrT]

So, she didn't list herself as American Indian in order to gain advantage? of course she did. She's loathsome, the end.

The Atlantic did an in-depth report on this topic and found that her profile listed her as a Native American, that Harvard touted her as Native American, that research could not be found to validate her "family story" and that (and this part is important) there is no evidence that she benefited professionally from this claim.

Is Elizabeth Warren Native American or What? - The Atlantic

On a related note, do you believe that Donald Trump is a liar?

 

[BitterPill]

Oh, to be sure, he lies less, but he still lies.

Can you point to a specific instance of Bernie lying?

I know you posted a list that included a few reports of Bernie uttering something that is supposedly 'mostly false', which means there is some truth in there. For instance, there is the quip of Bernie's that claims raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour would reduce spending on food stamps, housing and other programs over 7 billion a year.

Truth is we don't know, so Bernie could be correct.

 

[Henrin]

I've already stated the objective appeal Bernie Sanders would find in a Warren Vice Presidency. If you don't like it, you don't like it.

Just because they agree with Warren doesn't mean they will just ignore that Hillary is the candidate for president.

 

[Moot]

Democrats do that in general. They appeal to people and their problems instead of standing for things that are actually real.

Like....a wall? Or giving every country nuclear bombs?

 

[Tanngrisnir]

Can you point to a specific instance of Bernie lying?

I know you posted a list that included a few reports of Bernie uttering something that is supposedly 'mostly false', which means there is some truth in there. For instance, there is the quip of Bernie's that claims raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour would reduce spending on food stamps, housing and other programs over 7 billion a year.

Truth is we don't know, so Bernie could be correct.

Here, have some more.

People Bernie Sanders

 

[Cardinal]

Just because they agree with Warren doesn't mean they will just ignore that Hillary is the candidate for president.

I addressed that. You ignored it. In fact your entire participation has been nothing but a blatant attempt to tard up the thread.

 

[BitterPill]

Your argument doesn't make much sense. Just because the group is called a corporation wouldn't somehow lead to the people in that group not having the right to speak as a group.

People have a right to speak as a group. People can even sing as a group.

However, a corporation is a fictitious persona created to limit personal liability. Do you understand what a fictitious persona is?

 

[Cardinal]

The Atlantic did an in-depth report on this topic and found that her profile listed her as a Native American, that Harvard touted her as Native American, that research could not be found to validate her "family story" and that (and this part is important) there is no evidence that she benefited professionally from this claim.

Is Elizabeth Warren Native American or What? - The Atlantic

On a related note, do you believe that Donald Trump is a liar?

That issue basically stalled at "Her relatives said she's part American Indian, other relatives said she's not." And that...is The Great Elizabeth Warren American Indian Scandal.

 

[BitterPill]

I addressed that. You ignored it. In fact your entire participation has been nothing but a blatant attempt to tard up the thread.

I have to admit I'm having fun with his corporations are people spiel.

 

[Mason66]

Chatter is increasing regarding the possibility of Warren becoming Clinton's running mate, and Warren is doing little to dispel that notion. This surprises me. I have said multiple times now that Warren can do far more as Senator than as Vice President. So assuming that Clinton is elected, and assuming that Clinton isn't eventually forced to step down for some reason I can't possibly imagine at this time, what could Warren do as VP that she can't do much better, and for much longer, as Senator?

While it's true that she can be the tie breaker in a Senate Vote, as Senator she has sat on the...

• Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs
• Subcommittee on Economic Policy (Ranking Member)
• Subcommittee on Financial Institutions and Consumer Protection
• Subcommittee on Securities, Insurance, and Investment
• Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions
• Subcommittee on Primary Health and Retirement Security
• Special Committee on Aging
• United States Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources
• United States Senate Energy Subcommittee on Energy

All of which carries a fantastic amount of influence.

The only practical consideration I can imagine is she feels that Trump is a legitimate threat and her addition to the ticket would help counter that possibility.



Elizabeth Warren is ready -- in more ways than one | MSNBC

Warren can step in as President when Hillary dies.

She is pretty old right now and some people say not in good health.

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

I have to admit I'm having fun with his corporations are people spiel.

Well the concept isn't hard to understand.
Corporations are not people, but corporations are formed by groups of people.
If individuals have rights and groups of individuals still have the same rights, why would an incorporated group of people, not have the same rights?

 

[BitterPill]

Here, have some more.

People Bernie Sanders

I suppose you can't point to a specific incidence of Bernie lying.

Oh well.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

I suppose you can't point to a specific incidence of Bernie lying.

Oh well.

Too lazy to click links, eh?

Sanders’ False Income Claim

 

[BitterPill]

Well the concept isn't hard to understand.
Corporations are not people, but corporations are formed by groups of people.
If individuals have rights and groups of individuals still have the same rights, why would an incorporated group of people, not have the same rights?

A corporation is a fictitious persona created to limit personal liability. Can you tell me what a fictitious persona is?

Spoiler

A fake person

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

A corporation is a fictitious persona created to limit personal liability. Can you tell me what a fictitious persona is?

Spoiler

A fake person

Yes, but it is for the sole purpose of representing a group of people.
Kinda like political candidates are.

Edit add: Not the sole purpose but one of the primary purposes.

 

[BitterPill]

Too lazy to click links, eh?

Sanders’ False Income Claim

From your own source:

“I can imagine that if you construct your couple carefully (and subtract just the right spending items to be consistent with your ‘discretionary income’ definition) you can get the result Sen. Sanders mentioned,” Burtless said. “Those calculations will depend on judgement calls, so it may be murky whether Sen. Sanders’ statement is clearly right or clearly wrong.”​

 

[Surrealistik]

As I have repeatedly said in the past, if it turns out that Warren withheld her endorsement from Bernie, thereby costing him close states like Massachusetts, and possibly Iowa, in exchange for political favours/appointments, then it would amount to a betrayal that would in all probability deepen the Democrat schism, not ameliorate it.

TYT's excellent take: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs8QqAtrh9c

EW as VP would be a strategic blunder.

 

[BitterPill]

Yes, but it is for the sole purpose of representing a group of people.
Kinda like political candidates are.

A fake person, by nature and definition, isn't actually a person. It's a fake person; therefore, corporations aren't people. They are fake people.

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

A fake person, by nature and definition, isn't actually a person. It's a fake person; therefore, corporations aren't people. They are fake people.

Yes we've already established that.
But if anything, all the "corporations as people" argument implies is that individuals don't lose their rights when they're in groups.

That's how I see it.

 

[Cardinal]

EW as VP would be a strategic blunder.

Context is important. Nobody who knows anything about Warren believes she would effectively betray an entire career of consumer rights activism by being on Clinton's ticket. The worst case scenario in such a situation is that Clinton is President for the whole four years and Warren's agendas are permanently shelved for that duration.