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El Salvador’s President Says He Won’t Return Man Who Was Mistakenly Deported

Excon said:
Gawd yes! The Dems ought to do that to show everyone just how ****ing stupid they are.
Demand another country send one of it's own citizens to us just so he can get deported right back to them.
Please do that Dems.
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MAGAt politicians (including their fat orange king MAGAt) that think like you are exactly the ones that should be forced to openly and publicly acknowledge that they only care about our Constitution, and laws derived from it, that they agree with.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
MAGAt politicians (including their fat orange king MAGAt) that think like you are exactly the ones that should be forced to openly and publicly acknowledge that they only care about our Constitution, and laws derived from it, that they agree with.
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Given the facts surrounding the issue, you are making an absurdly idiotic statement.
 
jaypatriot said:
You seem to be the most upset over this alleged wrongful Garcia incarceration. Do you know why you're upset Garcia can't get back to America? He's just one person who got swept up along with other tattooed thugs in the wrong place at the wrong time. Why is he so important to you?
Is he the latest Cause célèbre that the anti-Trumpers can use this week to hammer Trump and his Administration?
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I see that injustice is at least acceptable to you.
 
Excon said:
Given the facts surrounding the issue, you are making an absurdly idiotic statement.
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No, it’s definitely you. No question about. No informed, objective minded person would disagree.
 
NWRatCon said:
Why would he do that? It would risk being informed.
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Given that, between that poster and I, I am the one in the know; Wrong as usual.
 
Hamish Howl said:
I see that injustice is at least acceptable to you.
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I am an advocate of utilitarianism.
If you can understand that concept then you might understand the greater good of using an El Salvadoran prison for tattooed bad guys is more important letting out a prisoner in his own country.
Like the bleeding heart Liberals getting exercised over Garcia down in a CECOT prison, I am not going to exhibit faux outrage because Trump and Pres Bukele are not jumping fast enough for the Opposition's pleasure.


What is utilitarianism in philosophy?

Utilitarianism is a normative ethical theory that suggests actions are right if they promote happiness or pleasure and wrong if they produce unhappiness or pain. This principle applies not only to the individual performing the action but also to everyone affected by it. Originating with philosophers Jeremy Bentham and John Stuart Mill, utilitarianism is a form of consequentialism, meaning it evaluates actions based on their outcomes. It contrasts with egoism, which prioritizes self-interest, and deontological ethics, which considers actions right or wrong regardless of consequences. Utilitarianism emphasizes the greatest happiness for the greatest number as a guiding principle.
 
jaypatriot said:
You seem to be the most upset over this alleged wrongful Garcia incarceration. Do you know why you're upset Garcia can't get back to America? He's just one person who got swept up along with other tattooed thugs in the wrong place at the wrong time. Why is he so important to you?
Is he the latest Cause célèbre that the anti-Trumpers can use this week to hammer Trump and his Administration?
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It's mainly about, well, you.

After all, if Donald can accuse Garcia of being a gang member with no evidence, due process or trial, put him on a plane before anybody knows what's happening, and have him dumped in a foreign gulag at which point he can simply say it's out of his hands, well, he can do the same to... you. Those of us who are bothered by this don't want to see Donald able to send @jaypatriot to a gulag to rot for the rest of his days, never to be heard from again, never to see any of his friends, family or loved ones again, knowing that neither SCOTUS nor Congress nor his friends and family can do anything to even talk to him, much less effect his release. So, we're agitating to ensure that this can't happen to @jaypatriot.

Sadly, @jaypatriot, as it turns out, doesn't actually mind if Donald does this to him.
 
Excon said:
Given that, between that poster and I, I am the one in the know; Wrong as usual.
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Post #533

Tip: Your portrayal of yourself as "the one in the know" would perhaps be somewhat believable were you to use correct grammar:

"Between that poster and me"
 
phoenix2020 said:
It's mainly about, well, you.

After all, if Donald can accuse Garcia of being a gang member with no evidence, due process or trial, put him on a plane before anybody knows what's happening, and have him dumped in a foreign gulag at which point he can simply say it's out of his hands, well, he can do the same to... you. Those of us who are bothered by this don't want to see Donald able to send @jaypatriot to a gulag to rot for the rest of his days, never to be heard from again, never to see any of his friends, family or loved ones again, knowing that neither SCOTUS nor Congress nor his friends and family can do anything to even talk to him, much less effect his release. So, we're agitating to ensure that this can't happen to @jaypatriot.

Sadly, @jaypatriot, as it turns out, doesn't actually mind if Donald does this to him.
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Yeah, Yeah, and I can be carjacked in the middle of a Walmart parking lot. Bad shit can happen to anyone. It happened to Garcia. Let them figure out how to get him back to his family.
It is not the end of his world.
Think of the story he'll be able to tell in the Atlantic Magazine.
And then go on the Gayle King show. What a coup!
 
jaypatriot said:
I am an advocate of utilitarianism.
If you can understand that concept then you might understand the greater good of using an El Salvadoran prison for tattooed bad guys is more important letting out a prisoner in his own country.
Like the bleeding heart Liberals getting exercised over Garcia down in a CECOT prison, I am not going to exhibit faux outrage because Trump and Pres Bukele are not jumping fast enough for the Opposition's pleasure.


What is utilitarianism in philosophy?

Utilitarianism is a normative ethical theory that suggests actions are right if they promote happiness or pleasure and wrong if they produce unhappiness or pain. This principle applies not only to the individual performing the action but also to everyone affected by it. Originating with philosophers Jeremy Bentham and John Stuart Mill, utilitarianism is a form of consequentialism, meaning it evaluates actions based on their outcomes. It contrasts with egoism, which prioritizes self-interest, and deontological ethics, which considers actions right or wrong regardless of consequences. Utilitarianism emphasizes the greatest happiness for the greatest number as a guiding principle.
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The **** you talking about?
He's not supposed to be down there.
There was no due process.

That's it. Either you respect the ****ing law like you want these immigrants to do or you are an anti American unconstitutional supoorter.

That's it. There is nothing bleeding heart here.

If you can't respect the law and process then your opinion is irrelevant and I consider that to be an enemy of the state
 
jaypatriot said:
Yeah, Yeah, and I can be carjacked in the middle of a Walmart parking lot. Bad shit can happen to anyone. It happened to Garcia. Let them figure out how to get him back to his family.
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Who is "them"?

Be specific.
jaypatriot said:
It is not the end of his world.
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How do you know it isn't? He's been renditioned to a hellhole of a mega-prison in another country. The pos who sent him there is defying court orders to facilitate his release. There's no reason to believe he will be retrieved.
jaypatriot said:
Think of the story he'll be able to tell in the Atlantic Magazine.
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See above.
jaypatriot said:
And then go on the Gayle King show. What a coup!
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See above.
 
jaypatriot said:
Yeah, Yeah, and I can be carjacked in the middle of a Walmart parking lot. Bad shit can happen to anyone. It happened to Garcia. Let them figure out how to get him back to his family.
It is not the end of his world.
Think of the story he'll be able to tell in the Atlantic Magazine.
And then go on the Gayle King show. What a coup!
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I'm guessing he's probably dead by now. I doubt any of us, much less his wife and children, will ever see him again. CECOT is very explicitly a place that people are sent to die and El Salvador's President himself has stated plainly that any sentence to CECOT is a permanent life sentence. They don't even have a system for extricating people from it, because by design it's designed for intake only. You seem to be under the mistaken believe that a person sent there can potentially be released. You are wrong. The whole purpose of that facility was to disappear people for life, period.

Well, I guess we at least know that if Donald decides to brand you a "very bad person" because someone reached out to his admin and flagged you as someone who hates America and might even have tattoos, there's no point in any of us losing any sleep over whatever he chooses to do with you, since you don't particularly care yourself.
 
Pyrite said:
Post #533

Tip: Your portrayal of yourself as "the one in the know" would perhaps be somewhat believable were you to use correct grammar:

"Between that poster and me"
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Hilarious. Are you a self proclaimed schoolmarm now?
1. I is correct.
2. Even if "I" was incorrect in usage, my reply was about my being in the know about the topic material, not English grammar.
Not that I should have to tell you that. iLOL
 
Excon said:
Hilarious. Are you a self proclaimed schoolmarm now?
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Not for several decades now.

But I do know English grammar, courtesy of years of Catholic education.
Excon said:
1. I is correct.
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No, it's not. In a prepositional phrase (clue: the preposition between) the first person pronoun (in this instance, "I") is not used for the object of the preposition.
Excon said:
2. Even if "I" was incorrect in usage, my reply was about my being in the know about the topic material, not English grammar.
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But if you don't know the basics of English grammar, it's more difficult to take your word that you know basic information about other topics.
Excon said:
Not that I should have to tell you that. iLOL
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You shouldn't have made that grammar mistake to begin with.
 
Pyrite said:
But if you don't know the basics of English grammar, it's more difficult to take your word that you know basic information about other topics.
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As the two are not related, your opinion is noted and dismissed as being as idiotic as it is stupid.
That you do not know that knowledge of one subject vs knowledge of another, especially when it comes to one that is taught as a child vs one that is a current event, has no bearing on what one knows of the other and are not connected in any way is beyond logical comprehension.

Pyrite said:
Not for several decades now.
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So you just slept at a Holiday Inn last night?

Pyrite said:
But I do know English grammar, courtesy of years of Catholic education.
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I make no bones about be a Jew, but I also have a k-8 Catholic education. Did it come naturally or was it beaten into your knuckles?

Pyrite said:
No, it's not.
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No. My usage of "I" being the subject was fine.

Pyrite said:
You shouldn't have made that grammar mistake to begin with.
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Pedantic nonsense that is still irrelevant to the subject material. You can't change that.
 
Excon said:
As the two are not related, your opinion is noted and dismissed as being as idiotic as it is stupid.
That you do not know that knowledge of one subject vs knowledge of another, especially when it comes to one that is taught as a child vs one that is a current event, has no bearing on what one knows of the other and are not connected in any way is beyond logical comprehension.

So you just slept at a Holiday Inn last night?

I make no bones about be a Jew, but I also have a k-8 Catholic education. Did it come naturally or was it beaten into your knuckles?

No. My usage of "I" being the subject was fine.
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In your usage, the "I" wasn't the subject of a sentence. It was the object of the preposition, which makes the use of the first person pronoun incorrect. Learn or don't learn this bit of grammar. It matters not to me. The more mistakes others make when they speak, the more educated and learned my kids and grandkids sound in contrast - and the better their prospects.
Excon said:
Pedantic nonsense that is still irrelevant to the subject material. You can't change that.
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I didn't really expect you to accept that you made a grammatical error. I also didn't expect you to learn from your mistake.

But the teacher in me said, Aw, what the hell, give the kid a chance....
 
Airyaman said:
Why would he do that? He only cares about what Trump thinks of him, not the rest of the US.
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Not just Trump, he also cares very much what Xi thinks about him, as his government is economically dependent on China.
 
jaypatriot said:
I am an advocate of utilitarianism.
If you can understand that concept then you might understand the greater good of using an El Salvadoran prison for tattooed bad guys is more important letting out a prisoner in his own country.
Like the bleeding heart Liberals getting exercised over Garcia down in a CECOT prison, I am not going to exhibit faux outrage because Trump and Pres Bukele are not jumping fast enough for the Opposition's pleasure.


What is utilitarianism in philosophy?

Utilitarianism is a normative ethical theory that suggests actions are right if they promote happiness or pleasure and wrong if they produce unhappiness or pain. This principle applies not only to the individual performing the action but also to everyone affected by it. Originating with philosophers Jeremy Bentham and John Stuart Mill, utilitarianism is a form of consequentialism, meaning it evaluates actions based on their outcomes. It contrasts with egoism, which prioritizes self-interest, and deontological ethics, which considers actions right or wrong regardless of consequences. Utilitarianism emphasizes the greatest happiness for the greatest number as a guiding principle.
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Failings of utilitarianism aside, you are not a utilitarian. Your own ignorant, purely bias driven comments prove it.
 
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