James D Hill
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So all you far right moral crusaders who think they know better than us how to live our lives take notice from what has happened to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. You can not have moral police violating our cicil liberties and privacy. I say what is the differance between Islamic nutjobs and Christian nutjobs? They both think they have a mandate from God to tell us what we can put in our bodies,Dictate reproductive rights,discriminate against gays and religions other that their own.
Free people do not want to be told what to do by worshipers of some non seen god and some holy book that was wrote centuries ago. It is time to get far right wing Christian zealots out of politics in this country out there will be a backlash when the right wing goes too far. Shria law is no differant than old testiment law which conservatives quote all the time. The only reason they don't go along with Islam is the fact it is not Christian otherwise they would agree with most of it.
I think the fallout of the Egyptian crisis is, an Arab country gave the Muslim Brotherhood a chance to govern; the MB was inept and couldn't deal with the economy (no doubt because of their religious fixations), and now the MB is out. I think that bodes well for the next election. I don't think Egypt will make the same mistake twice.
Hmm... Obama touts the Muslim Brotherhood and was happy with Morsi and the MB as tyrants to Egyptians. Seems BO has pulled his horns in for the time being, but he'll be back touting this Jihadist and brutal group.
James, you might want to familiarize yourself with the desires of Egyptians. Polling indicates that 2/3 of the citizens support Sharia law for the country. The problem Morsi ran into was that he got elected and then promptly dissolved the parliament, along with some other actions, effectively shutting out any opposition and not even trying to reach a coalition with any of the opposition in the last election...
What should he have done instead? Declared war on Egypt?
There are a lot of things I don't blame him for. Unfortunately none of them really relate to his leadership (or total lack thereof).Is there anything you don't blame Obama for?
Again, Congress approved going to war in Afghanistan and Iraq. Do the people remember that? Nooooo.....to them, it was all Bush's fault. A tribute to how ignorant the nation is.I can't stand the guy but making him responsible for other countries political upheavals is a bit much.
Yes, but Obama treated the Egypt situation like putting a cat inside a canary cage, and asking them to play nice.Keeping a relationship with Egypt is critical to keeping some degree of peace in the ME. They choose - we support.
For a bunch of "George Bush's Wars" people, the leftists certainly never had any problem with Obama getting involved in Egypt. Hell, they seem to endorse interfering with Syria. At least Hussein directly threatened us. How did Khaddafi threaten us? Who's threatening us in Syria?
There are a lot of things I don't blame him for. Unfortunately none of them really relate to his leadership (or total lack thereof).
Again, Congress approved going to war in Afghanistan and Iraq. Do the people remember that? Nooooo.....to them, it was all Bush's fault. A tribute to how ignorant the nation is.
Yes, but Obama treated the Egypt situation like putting a cat inside a canary cage, and asking them to play nice.
He should have done nothing. We were heavily invested in Iraq and Afghanistan. Our military was spread thin in that region.What should he have done instead?
He should have done nothing. We were heavily invested in Iraq and Afghanistan. Our military was spread thin in that region.
Was Egypt even threatening its neighbors like Palestine, Syria and Iran do on a continuous basis?
Why was ousting Hussein bad, but Khaddafi good?
I'm not saying that we never would have gotten involved. It just seemed that Obama rushed to the side of Islamic radicals....just as he seems to want to do in Syria. You know...there are a LOT of people who call Obama a Muslim, or that he favors Islamic radicals. I'm not necessarily one of those people, but his actions concerning the Middle East aren't exactly putting that fire out. It's more like throwing another log onto it.
Obama did not elect Morsi President of Egypt. He does not "favor" Islamic Radicals either. That's your side boohooing about those drones.
We did not invade Libya or Egypt and no US troops were killed either. You sure can't say that about the last President.
He should have done nothing. We were heavily invested in Iraq and Afghanistan. Our military was spread thin in that region.
Was Egypt even threatening its neighbors like Palestine, Syria and Iran do on a continuous basis?
Why was ousting Hussein bad, but Khaddafi good?
I'm not saying that we never would have gotten involved. It just seemed that Obama rushed to the side of Islamic radicals....just as he seems to want to do in Syria. You know...there are a LOT of people who call Obama a Muslim, or that he favors Islamic radicals. I'm not necessarily one of those people, but his actions concerning the Middle East aren't exactly putting that fire out. It's more like throwing another log onto it.
He should have done nothing. We were heavily invested in Iraq and Afghanistan. Our military was spread thin in that region.
Was Egypt even threatening its neighbors like Palestine, Syria and Iran do on a continuous basis?
Why was ousting Hussein bad, but Khaddafi good?
I'm not saying that we never would have gotten involved. It just seemed that Obama rushed to the side of Islamic radicals....just as he seems to want to do in Syria. You know...there are a LOT of people who call Obama a Muslim, or that he favors Islamic radicals. I'm not necessarily one of those people, but his actions concerning the Middle East aren't exactly putting that fire out. It's more like throwing another log onto it.
Yes, I fully understand we did not have "boots on the ground" there. However, it's my opinion that he picked the wrong side. Our interests should be in three things: protection of our sovereign, protection of our trade routes, and protection of our allies. Khaddafi posed a threat to none of those things. Furthermore, you would think that after witnessing what happened in Iraq and Afghanistan, we'd have learned our lesson about radical Islamists. Obama seems to learn like a retard in a quantum physics class. Jeez, how would he react if there were someone like Hitler or Napoleon around?Looking at you post again, I think you think we sent military to Egypt. You might be mistaken. I believe we gave them weapons and supplies.
Well, time will tell with this one. If the Iraq War were a poker game, Bush was "pot committed" in that one. He had to continue. Backing out would have been disastrous for our foreign relations. Kinda like how Obama is Vladimir Putin's [female dog] now.Hussein. Well, I don't miss him and he brought doom on himself by being elusive about his imaginary weapons. Still. they could have settled his case with one shock and awe attack they wren't expecting instad of taking 9 months and getting into a decade long war.
I can't say anything here on a personal level. Just on a national one, Obama didn't really weigh the pro's and con's very well.Quaddafi. That son of a bitch owes me his life for Pan Am 103. Wish I could have been there when they stuck that pole up his ass. At least that was a quick one.
Yes, I fully understand we did not have "boots on the ground" there. However, it's my opinion that he picked the wrong side. Our interests should be in three things: protection of our sovereign, protection of our trade routes, and protection of our allies. Khaddafi posed a threat to none of those things. Furthermore, you would think that after witnessing what happened in Iraq and Afghanistan, we'd have learned our lesson about radical Islamists. Obama seems to learn like a retard in a quantum physics class. Jeez, how would he react if there were someone like Hitler or Napoleon around?
Well, time will tell with this one. If the Iraq War were a poker game, Bush was "pot committed" in that one. He had to continue. Backing out would have been disastrous for our foreign relations. Kinda like how Obama is Vladimir Putin's [female dog] now.
I can't say anything here on a personal level. Just on a national one, Obama didn't really weigh the pro's and con's very well.
Is there anything you don't blame Obama for?
Perhaps blaming Bush for everything has finally gone out of style.
That wasn't my question though, was it?
Your question was about blaming Obama for everything. I provided a possible answer to the question. Did that confuse you?
Zealots come in all flavors. Free people don't want to be told what to do by liberal zealots either. No big surprise there.
Nobody wants someone else telling them what's best for them and what they should feel or do in their private lives.
James, you might want to familiarize yourself with the desires of Egyptians. Polling indicates that 2/3 of the citizens support Sharia law for the country. The problem Morsi ran into was that he got elected and then promptly dissolved the parliament, along with some other actions, effectively shutting out any opposition and not even trying to reach a coalition with any of the opposition in the last election...
Didn't Obama help the Muslim Brotherhood take control?
How did that Arab Spring work out? Is there anything Obama touches that doesn't turn to dung? The guy fails more than Charlie Brown.
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