Egypt prime example of why people wil not put up with zealots.

[cpwill]

Yea where they let the Catholic church make law.

The Catholic Church has Legislative Power in Germany? Wow, I did not know that. Can you link that? I would be fascinated to hear all about it.

....because I suspect that in fact you are just acting the partisan idiot, pulling an updated version of the Godwin Fallacy, and that your claim that Texas passage of the recent abortion laws' equivalency to the Muslim Brotherhood regime is, in fact, hackery which only the kind of overly-emotional mouthbreathers who believe everything that comes out of talkshow hosts' mouth without independent or critical thought actually believe.

Do you want that here? To have Jesus freaks tell us what to do? I think not.

I am a Jesus Freak. However, that being said, the idea that there is any equivalency between social conservatives in America (who, by and large, want dramatically smaller government) and the Muslim Brotherhood (which follows a totalitarian ideology) is and remains the kind of ludicrous hackery equivalent to those who hyperventilated that Obamacare was the functional equivalent of the kind of government which perpetuated the Holocaust.

 

[Dapper Andy]

Morsi was an ally of Obama. REALLY bad analogy.

Didn't Obama help the Muslim Brotherhood take control?

Hmm... Obama touts the Muslim Brotherhood and was happy with Morsi and the MB as tyrants to Egyptians. Seems BO has pulled his horns in for the time being, but he'll be back touting this Jihadist and brutal group.

The Obama Administration didn't defend Mubarak but I don't know how those claims could be justified. As far as I have seen he allowed the people to vote who they wanted into office. The political structure may have been stacked in the Muslim Brotherhood's favor but the POTUS had nothing to do with that.

 

[James D Hill]

The Obama Administration didn't defend Mubarak but I don't know how those claims could be justified. As far as I have seen he allowed the people to vote who they wanted into office. The political structure may have been stacked in the Muslim Brotherhood's favor but the POTUS had nothing to do with that.

Obama did the American thing. He promoted democracy and the religous fanatics took over. I guess their is not much diferance between the mideast and Kansas or Oklahoma. I say what is the diferance between Shria law and shooting abortion doctors.

 

[James D Hill]

The Catholic Church has Legislative Power in Germany? Wow, I did not know that. Can you link that? I would be fascinated to hear all about it.

....because I suspect that in fact you are just acting the partisan idiot, pulling an updated version of the Godwin Fallacy, and that your claim that Texas passage of the recent abortion laws' equivalency to the Muslim Brotherhood regime is, in fact, hackery which only the kind of overly-emotional mouthbreathers who believe everything that comes out of talkshow hosts' mouth without independent or critical thought actually believe.



I am a Jesus Freak. However, that being said, the idea that there is any equivalency between social conservatives in America (who, by and large, want dramatically smaller government) and the Muslim Brotherhood (which follows a totalitarian ideology) is and remains the kind of ludicrous hackery equivalent to those who hyperventilated that Obamacare was the functional equivalent of the kind of government which perpetuated the Holocaust.

I never said the catholic church had power in Germany but it Spain,Italy and Portagial. They do have political power in Europe but not like they did. As for the American religous right they do to believe in big government. What is tellling females they can't have an abortion or you can't smoke pot? That is nanny state BS and you know it. What are anti porn laws other than legislating morality and nanny state politics? When ever morality is legislated it is big government and you know it.

 

[cpwill]

I never said the catholic church had power in Germany but it Spain,Italy and Portagial.

Oh. So when you suggested that abortion laws in Europe were written by religious zealots from the Catholic Church, what you meant was that some countries in Europe had abortion laws written by religious zealots from the Catholic Church and that other abortion laws were written by as-of-yet-unaffiliated-religious-zealots-from-some-other-group-perhaps?

or maybe you just didn't realize that only other modern nation with abortion laws as liberal as ours is Canada (the only other two who match it are China and North Korea), and that a shift such as the one in Texas is actually a move to the middle.

They do have political power in Europe but not like they did.

They have influence, maybe - but Christianity as a political force is pretty much dead in Western Europe. Islam, believe it or not, is more politically relevant.

As for the American religous right they do to believe in big government. What is tellling females they can't have an abortion or you can't smoke pot? That is nanny state BS and you know it. What are anti porn laws other than legislating morality and nanny state politics? When ever morality is legislated it is big government and you know it.

The anti-abortion move is not about controlling women, but about saving children, which is no more Big Government than when those religious nutters decided we should free the slaves.

 

[James D Hill]

Oh. So when you suggested that abortion laws in Europe were written by religious zealots from the Catholic Church, what you meant was that some countries in Europe had abortion laws written by religious zealots from the Catholic Church and that other abortion laws were written by as-of-yet-unaffiliated-religious-zealots-from-some-other-group-perhaps?

or maybe you just didn't realize that only other modern nation with abortion laws as liberal as ours is Canada (the only other two who match it are China and North Korea), and that a shift such as the one in Texas is actually a move to the middle.



They have influence, maybe - but Christianity as a political force is pretty much dead in Western Europe. Islam, believe it or not, is more politically relevant.



The anti-abortion move is not about controlling women, but about saving children, which is no more Big Government than when those religious nutters decided we should free the slaves.

It seems to me conservatives have no problem with big government as long as it pushes its so called family values BS. The war on drugs,anti abortion laws and DOMA are all laws that force morality and are thus big brother telling you what to do. If you conservatives where really for freedom you would legalize drugs,allow gay marriage and get out of other peoples bedrooms. Abortion is between a doctor and a female not some right wing hack to dictate. Your side preaches freedom but are against freedom at every turn.

 

[shrubnose]

I think the fallout of the Egyptian crisis is, an Arab country gave the Muslim Brotherhood a chance to govern; the MB was inept and couldn't deal with the economy (no doubt because of their religious fixations), and now the MB is out. I think that bodes well for the next election. I don't think Egypt will make the same mistake twice.

I hope that it doesn't.

 

[cpwill]

It seems to me conservatives have no problem with big government as long as it pushes its so called family values BS. The war on drugs,anti abortion laws and DOMA are all laws that force morality and are thus big brother telling you what to do. If you conservatives where really for freedom you would legalize drugs,allow gay marriage and get out of other peoples bedrooms. Abortion is between a doctor and a female not some right wing hack to dictate. Your side preaches freedom but are against freedom at every turn.

Do you have anything to actually say.... or are you just a tripe-recycling-device?

DOMA is a Federalism issue. It didn't force anyone to do anything, it merely said that the States could not force their preferences on the Federal Government.

Abortion (for the pro life) isn't about limiting freedom, but rather securing the inalienable rights - including that to life. For those of us who do not see the fundamental difference between a baby that is "one day old" and the same baby 48 hours prior, the idea that abortion is between a doctor and a woman is akin to the idea that slavery is between the owner and the person selling to him.

The War on Drugs, I agree, is the public enforcement of morality, which is why major conservative outlets such as the CATO institute, National Review, et al have called for legalization of marijuana for decades. The drugs that make you a public danger the rest of us have the right to regulate for the same reason we have the right to tell you you can't drive drunk - because you are a public danger if you engage in that activity.


We'll see if you are able to respond both coherently and intelligently to the above, or if you'll just recycle another poorly-thought-out-but-emotionally-appealing-to-a-low-information-audience piece of scad that you heard on MSNBC.

 

[cpwill]

I hope that it doesn't.

Well, the problem is that now that effect will be (at best) limited to Egypt. Given time, the Muslim Brotherhood could have discredited Islamism across much of the Middle East.

 

[shrubnose]

]Well, the problem is that now that effect will be (at best) limited to Egypt. Given time, the Muslim Brotherhood could have discredited Islamism across much of the Middle East.

[/QUOTE]Let's hope that Syria ends up a little better than Egypt has so far.

 

[cpwill]

Let's hope that Syria ends up a little better than Egypt has so far.

... likelihood..... very low.

 

[shrubnose]

...

likelihood..... very low.

It doesn't look like it's headed in a good direction right now, But I'm going to keep hoping for the best.

 

[cpwill]

It doesn't look like it's headed in a good direction right now, But I'm going to keep hoping for the best.

:shrug: Me as well. But hope is not a strategy. Syria is now looking like Rwanda, and is well on track to produce more casualties than the Iraq war.

This is what the world looks like when the U.S. and other modern nations don't intervene in human rights atrocities.

 

[shrubnose]

:shrug: Me as well.

But hope is not a strategy.

Syria is now looking like Rwanda, and is well on track to produce more casualties than the Iraq war.

This is what the world looks like when the U.S. and other modern nations don't intervene in human rights atrocities.

I was thinking the same thing when I typed that.

But, on the other hand, how can we be sure that we're doing the right thing if we get involved? We're damned if we do, and damned if we don't.

 

[cpwill]

I was thinking the same thing when I typed that.

But, on the other hand, how can we be sure that we're doing the right thing if we get involved? We're damned if we do, and damned if we don't.

:shrug: Back in April 2011 before it became Al Qaeda's fight? AQ wasn't there organically, it came because the US wasn't there, and nature abhors a vacuum. Now our room to maneuver without enabling other destabilizing and destructive elements is significantly reduced.