The EDL says it opposes "militant Islam" and Sharia law.
But this does pose an interesting question - the far Left are quick off the blocks to protest the BNP or EDL, but where are they when the likes of Anjem Chouderay come out to play?
UAF accuses the EDL of being a far right party but it describes itself as a peaceful, non-political group.
Ooo, don't pelt me with any more of your creamy patronising wank! Can't stand the smell any longer!
As usual I'm misrepresented by some of the more aloof patrons of this panel. I didn't say that to be anti-EDL equals being far-Left, nor that Lefties haven't criticised Choudray.
But I give you full marks for your deluded hyperbole though. That's all that's left if you're not able to marshal the facts. And I also praise your high-handed way in completely ducking the question, well done.
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So will the 'anti-fash' come out onto the streets in force to protest people like him?
YouTube- Anjem Choudary talks of 7.7.
Or is it only the 'bad' fascists they make the effort to fight?
But this does pose an interesting question - the far Left are quick off the blocks to protest the BNP or EDL, but where are they when the likes of Anjem Chouderay come out to play?
Aren't those supremacists undeniably fascist? Or perhaps they are the 'wrong' fascists, vehemently anti-West, anti-US and anti-Democracy as they are and so thus worthy of patronage.
Hmm, thought as much: The modern left and Islamic fascism
And that's the modern Left's intellectual leadership, wanting in self-hate as it is since their beloved 'misunderstood' USSR collapsed!
-- Are the UAF necessary? Is it good that they are there because they send out a message to ordinary Muslims that people would not stand by if anyone tried any fascist activity, or do they encourage the EDL?
-- Hmm, thought as much: The modern left and Islamic fascism--
Mark Humphreys link said:On the day after Christmas, Archbishop Desmond Tutu, Anglican Primate of South Africa and holder of the Nobel Peace Prize, standing before the memorial at Yad Vashem in Jerusalem to the millions of Jews murdered by Hitler, prayed for the murderers and sermonized the descendants of their victims. "We pray for those who made it happen, help us to forgive them and help us so that we in our turn will not make others suffer" (New York Times, 27 December 1989). This, he said, was his "message" to the Israeli children and grandchildren of the dead.
Moral obtuseness, mean spite, and monstrous arrogance do not make for sound ethics and theology. Neither Tutu nor the Israelis he lectured can "forgive" the Nazi murderers. Representatives of an injured group are not licensed (even by the most unctuous of preachers) to forgive on behalf of the whole group. In fact, forgiveness issues from God alone. The forgiveness Tutu offers the Nazis is truly pitiless because it forgets the victims, blurs over suffering, and drowns the past.
Good question, I remember when my parents returned to the UK in the 70's seeing a BBC news article about ordinary citizens grouping together in some ghetto areas to defend immigrant homes from people like the National Front who were attacking their homes at night. Many of the volunteers were martial artists - the police were around but called in only when violence had started.
I don't see the UAF movement as a direct descendent of those volunteers in the 70's but some of the sentiment among some members may be the same.
Did you have some negative things to say about this group before?I guess people need to be prepared for aggro when doing anything like this but I would agree nothing would be gained if the UAF were as interested in an afternoon's fight as I hear the EDL are.There are other groups too - ANTIFA for one and to a large extent you have to wonder whether there are elements who simply want some aggro.
Just as deliberate however is the EDL choosing areas with large immigrant populations for their protests, equally is the high incidence of attacks on ethnic minorities in places where people like the EDL and the BNP have marched.
I suppose at a human level, some people don't want to sit by until some horrendous attack has happened on an immigrant but would rather protest or stop the attacks happening.
so true, so trueWas Jesus a leftie? Is Tutu only doing what the leader of the faith he is part of has asked of him? Hmmm.. doesn't take much to be a "leftie" it seems. Anyone to the left of Hitler must be a communist I think.
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this may indeed be why they have decided on this course of action. It does seem to me that if they did not, then it would be much more likely that sooner or later some Muslims would get fed up and the EDL might have the chance to create the reality it is trying to.
-- Did you have some negative things to say about this group before?
I guess people need to be prepared for aggro when doing anything like this but I would agree nothing would be gained if the UAF were as interested in an afternoon's fight as I hear the EDL are.
-- You say 'just as deliberate', do you have any evidence that the UAF is wanting deliberate violent confrontation with the EDL.
They have been fed up before and defended themselves. I remember some incidents in Slough some years back. About 8 years ago, I knew a young Pakistani up here who would (if threatened) be able to call on friends in Lancashire to come and get involved in defence of the community.[/qu
However there as in Birmingham, once the far right threat went away some of the gangs turned to other activities - usually crime.
True - the alternative however is to allow the EDL to cause tensions and then the migrant community creates its own gangs where there are large communities with young men to draw upon.
There was no ducking question.
1, Anyone who compares people who are anti EDL as being far left as you did show themselves up to be the supporter of tactics used before by the National Front and now by EDL.
3. You made an erroneous claim.
I think I like the UAF being involved but I am not sure if it is the best thing. That is what this thread is about.
Do you believe that the UAF is a helpful response to the EDL or should everyone just stay home and let the police deal with these thugs.
It's a difficult one for me to decide.
1. No I didn't. Not as you're trying to present it, as if that's the sole criteria. I made a Youtube video on the EDL myself, holding those troublemakers as bad as the Muslim rioters in places like Trafalgar Square. Both seek to barney with each other, with the UAF also doing their bit to confront people.
But this does pose an interesting question - the far Left are quick off the blocks to protest the BNP or EDL, but where are they when the likes of Anjem Chouderay come out to play?
-- DO YOU THINK THE ANTI-FASCIST PEOPLE WILL BE AS QUICK TO PROTEST NOISILY AGAINST EXTREMIST ISLAMIC GROUPS?
Thanks. And about time too.
Let's hope the condemnation spreads and hits the likes of John Pilger and others, who say that Islamic extremism is merely a reaction to Western barbarism. I certainly can't find any UAF statements against extremism, never mind plans to march against it.
Plenty of UAF and Leftist apology though, far outweighing any apparent common sense by some in condemning Islamofascism.
uaf islamic extremism - Google Search
Islam, Islamism and the Far/Hard Left: Images of IslamoFascism
Well if you are now providing home movies that you put up on youtube, let me enlighten you that I remember Tasha telling someone such things don't go down too well on Debate Politics. If you think I am going to watch all your you tube offerings including home videos you are quite wrong.Yes, you did put me on Ignore. And I choose to ignore that.
It's interesting that had you decided not to trade in insults at the expense of facts, you would have indeed discovered that I spoke out against the EDL in my video. And been sharply criticised by EDL fans.
But this does pose an interesting question - the far Left are quick off the blocks to protest the BNP or EDL, but where are they when the likes of Anjem Chouderay come out to play?
Aren't those supremacists undeniably fascist? Or perhaps they are the 'wrong' fascists, vehemently anti-West, anti-US and anti-Democracy as they are and so thus worthy of patronage.
Hmm, thought as much: The modern left and Islamic fascism
And that's the modern Left's intellectual leadership, wanting in self-hate as it is since their beloved 'misunderstood' USSR collapsed!
Yes, Muslims organised a protest.. not the Unite Against Fascism group with much better funding, organisation and media backing.
I wonder why..
(And yes, Muslims are better placed to protest peacefully and calmly against extremism, which is why it's a pity they rarely do. And I also agree with your sentiment to keep ordinary Muslims out of it and let extremist rioters clash amongst themselves.)
But this does pose an interesting question - the far Left are quick off the blocks to protest the BNP or EDL, but where are they when the likes of Anjem Chouderay come out to play?
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Once again you disregard the facts in favour of emotional intuition. You do women worldwide a disservice with such stereotypical behaviour!
You say not a word against them in your posts. If you choose always to support their point of view in your posts then that is obviously the view which I will take you have. You said you had made a video and EDL fans disagreed with you. I understood this to mean you were in conversation with them. You would only be in conversation with them if you either opposed or really shared their views. You certainly do not oppose their views as can be seen by your posts so I assumed it was the other...and still do.You claim the EDL are my friends and that I don't speak a word against them
I don't think they do have much legitimacy. I just think the dangerous influence the radical Left has in society needs to be highlighted more often.
UAF is part-funded by the unions and has copious free publicity in the left wing press. Yet they are selective in who they target and expose, with many supporters and insiders having links with or sympathies for terrorists.
uaf islamic extremism list links - Google Search
As a mass these Islamic extremists are a damn site more dangerous and influential than the tiny EDL.
This is insulting enough to deserve a report. You are back on ignore and please stop ruining this thread with your pathetic propaganda.
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