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A&E is the Arts & Entertainment Network.
The government is the people in Washington, D.C. who take all of your money and spend it or give it to other people.
I expect a few people in Canada watch A&E too.WTF does Canada have to do with an issue with an American Show and a comment about homosexuality in the United States of America?
Muslim countries also stone gays to death, which of course has nothing to do with this thread as well.
Actually it just says religion, not religious belief. Phil can't be fired for being a Christian, he can be fired for damn near anything and everything else. Louisiana is a 'right to work state' which grants broad firing powers to an employer. A&E CAN suspend Phil if they feel his words/actions/ violate the A&E principles. They can can him for disobeying A&E directives.
This isn't a freedom of speech/religion issue. It is a contractual one.
Sorry to disagree, they are not looking for tolerance but for equal rights under the law and they wish not to be insulted, discriminated or to be the victims of violent hate crimes.
The belief is the religion. Firing someone for answering a direct question regarding sin, with a paraphrased bible verse, is to fire them because of their religion. I disagree that the standard contractual moral clause would/should necessarily be applicable on this particular case - that a non-violent religious moral position somehow intrinsically harms the network (I would think the discontinuing of the record-breaking show as a result would be more harmful). A standard disclaimer from A&E regarding programs or interviews that do not represent the views of A&E would be a better route, IMO
Yes, bigotry is a belief. But there is no right to keep a job or be on the air. No network has to keep anyone employed.
True, however, under federal law Title VII of the Civil Rights Act, the belief (thus the religion), can not be the reason an employer terminates someone.
If that's the case then a person cannot be fired for being gay but can be rightly fired for expressing the belief that gays should be allowed to marry or being caught in some flamboyant gay attire at some gay pride parade while off the clock.Yes, bigotry is a belief. But there is no right to keep a job or be on the air. No network has to keep anyone employed.
Why is this such a big political deal?
WTF does Canada have to do with an issue with an American Show and a comment about homosexuality in the United States of America?
Muslim countries also stone gays to death, which of course has nothing to do with this thread as well.
If that's the case then a person cannot be fired for being gay but can be rightly fired for expressing the belief that gays should be allowed to marry or being caught in some flamboyant gay attire at some gay pride parade while off the clock.
That's not what he was terminated for. He had clear beliefs before the interview there was no issue. He was fired for failing to realize he represents the program. Any of us who go out in public representing our companies best be advised to speak like you know you're in public. He was not fired for his religion, but for his poor judgement.
The belief is the religion. Firing someone for answering a direct question regarding sin, with a paraphrased bible verse, is to fire them because of their religion. I disagree that the standard contractual moral clause would/should necessarily be applicable on this particular case - that a non-violent religious moral position somehow intrinsically harms the network (I would think the discontinuing of the record-breaking show as a result would be more harmful). A standard disclaimer from A&E regarding programs or interviews that do not represent the views of A&E would be a better route, IMO
Im not making the civil rights argument, so I agree with you there--there was no civil rights violation. He was free to make those comments and AE was free to can him for making them. Personally, I think AE overreacted and should not have fired the guy. If people are offended by his beliefs they should watch the show. The idea that anyone who doesn't tow the PC line should be targeted from destruction is what I oppose.Many gays have lost their jobs. Still do. But if you work for a small town school system and you're on tv behaving in an embarrassing way, you will lose your job. Btw, the gay comment wasn't the only one he made. I find the racial bigotry problematic as well. But the point is, no civil rights were violated. You guys are framing it wrong.
And you're still wrong. Factually. There's a reason there's no lawsuit being considered. This will be settled in the market. Not the courts.
Im not making the civil rights argument, so I agree with you there--there was no civil rights violation. He was free to make those comments and AE was free to can him for making them. Personally, I think AE overreacted and should not have fired the guy. If people are offended by his beliefs they should watch the show. The idea that anyone who doesn't tow the PC line should be targeted from destruction is what I oppose.
Well, I think you're wrong too. Factually.
Btw, the fact that no lawsuit has been made isn't evidence that it hasn't been considered or that there couldn't be. Such cases are always tough but it comes down to the exact wording of any so-called moral clause which we don't have the luxury of examining here.
These happen all the time, and not one lawsuit. So, yes, that is evidence. He wasn't fired for religion.
It usually doesn't concern a religious belief, so that's a broad generalization, and a fallacy to think because it hasn't happened in the past (if that's even true) that consequently no case is ever applicable.
Considering that it was a direct answer to a question regarding what constituted sin, with a paraphrased bible verse, it was a termination based on stating ones religious belief.
If it was a homosexual asked the question, offended people, and subsequently terminated, they would say it's because he is homosexual and thus a Civil Rights violation. This is no different.
The only thing that would curtail a Civil Rights Action, I believe, is the content of any moral clause in the contract.
Bigotry is a belief. The klan hold religious beliefs. Worshipping satan is a religious belief. But actions that embarrass an organization will always result in firing. It's not about the belief, but the behavior. Remember, he didn't only speak about sexual preference but race. It's nit about his religion, but his behavior.
So therefore, given that the text of the first amendment is that [paraphrased] the government may not inhibit free speech, why are we bitching about A&E infringing rights?
Wait...people are upset that he quoted a bible verse regarding homosexuals and said that the black people he worked the fields with werent bitter angry and hate filled?Because some people aren't happy that Duck Dynasty star Phil Robertson is catching hell for the comments that he made about gays and Blacks.
Every one in the USA has free speech, but running your mouth has consequences.
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