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That's not what I said. I said they haven't been in a prolonged fight, since they lifted the ban in 1993. You're more than welcome to provide some docs that prove me wrong.
And how in the hell could an activist judge know that? Gimme a break!!
It has nothing to do with professionalism, or a lack there of. How many times do you have to be told that?
Sin? You mean the prejudice? Senior NCOs define the culture and if they say it is not acceptable to give gays a harsh time, that's the way it will be.
73' war, Yom Kippur war, was the most devastating war in Israel's history, and it was after 67'.
Besides that, the first Lebanese war was the most prolonged war Israel has had, and soldiers have had to deal with constant insurgency.
It has went on until 2000.
If that isn't a professionalism issue, what the bloody hell is it?
Way to duck his question.
73' war, Yom Kippur war, was the most devastating war in Israel's history, and it was after 67'.
Besides that, the first Lebanese war was the most prolonged war Israel has had, and soldiers have had to deal with constant insurgency.
It has went on until 2000.
73' war, Yom Kippur war, was the most devastating war in Israel's history, and it was after 67'.
Besides that, the first Lebanese war was the most prolonged war Israel has had, and soldiers have had to deal with constant insurgency.
It has went on until 2000.
What the hell do you call it when somebody's homophobia gets in the way of how they do a job as important as defense of country and freedom? You guys keep talking about how proud you are of what you do, and then you go off on how the fags are going to disrupt all that by not hiding the fact that they're fags.
If that isn't a professionalism issue, what the bloody hell is it?
You could argue that Israel has been in prolonged low level conflict for quite a few years actually.
NCO's say that it's unacceptable to sexually harass female soldiers, but it happens. NCO's say that it's unacceptable to assault another soldier, but it happens. NCO's say that it's unacceptable to rape another soldier, but it happens. Are you going to blame every ill, within the military on the NCO corps?
Don't blame the military. Blame society.
Not at all. **** happens. But if the NCO corps resist gays openly serving and actually endorse harassment, then it will never fly. They are the gate keeper.
Stop deflecting -- if it isn't a professionalism issue that would have openly serving gays disrupting unit choesion, what is it?
Not at all. **** happens. But if the NCO corps resist gays openly serving and actually endorse harassment, then it will never fly. They are the gate keeper.
Why is it that you can train an individual to become a professional dispenser of death and destruction in a handful of months, but figuring out the best way to deal with gay people takes years?
Don't blame the military. Blame society.
TacticalEvilDan;1058979184 said:I don't hate the military. I'm disappointed in them.
TacticalEvilDan;1058979184 said:That said, I will ask the question one more time: is the reason that unit cohesion would be impacted by gays serving openly the fact that our military isn't professional enough to set aside personal prejudice in the name of serving their country?
Frankly unit cohesion could only be undermined by people who hate gays. Ive seen a flaming homo during basic in the bay a floor beneath us and nobody seemed to mind him much.
Okay. How about since Israel changed its policy on gays in the IDF in the early 90s? Has the IDF seen what you would classify as prolonged combat (or "real" combat) since then?
You've been told what it is. If you're narrow mind won't allow you to get it, then there's nothing more I can do for you.
What makes you think that the NCO corps is endorsing the harassment of gays?
Dealing with possible inter-unit romatic relationships in a combat unit (note I said combat) is not something that our military has much experience with, administratively.
Stop deflecting -- if it isn't a professionalism issue that would have openly serving gays disrupting unit choesion, what is it?
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