Donald Trump wants one-on-one, not multiparty talks with Kim Jong-un ...

[TU Curmudgeon]

From The South China Morning Post

Donald Trump wants one-on-one, not multiparty talks with Kim Jong-un, national security adviser John Bolton says
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The US has little interest in joining other countries in a multi-nation effort to get North Korea to give up its nuclear weapons, President Donald Trump’s national security adviser said Sunday.

The United States is not trying to exclude other nations from nuclear talks with Pyongyang, John Bolton told Fox News Sunday, but “I think it’s not what our preference is”.

“I think Kim Jong-un, at least up until now, has wanted the one-on-one contact with the United States, which is what he has gotten,” Bolton said, adding that Trump is open to possibility of a third summit with Kim.

Following their talks in Russia on Thursday, President Vladimir Putin suggested the revival of a multilateral approach to the denuclearisation negotiations, which have failed in the past.

COMMENTS:-

1. Obviously, considering the source, this is a completely false story - right?

2. The advantage of "multi-party talks" from Mr. Trump's point of view is that he can always blame the Russians and/or the Chinese if they fall apart - blaming Mr. Kim simply doesn't have any headline appeal any longer.

3. The disadvantage of "one on one" talks from Mr. Trump's point of view is that he will be blamed if he doesn't come up with a resounding win that gives the US 100% of what it wants and gives the DPRK 0.00% of what it wants.

4. The advantage of "multi-party talks" from Mr. Kim's point of view is that he has some third-party assurance that Mr. Trump will actually "pay for the pianos once delivered".

5. The disadvantage of "one on one talks" from Mr. Kim's point of view is that he would have to be dealing with someone who has a track record of NOT "paying for the pianos once delivered" (and someone who just might not be capable of recognizing a piano if it fell on him).

6. When you add those five together, it is absolutely inconceivable that any rational person wants "one on one talks" and that means that there is no way that Mr. Trump wants "one on one talks"- right?
​

 

[bearpoker]

From The South China Morning Post

Donald Trump wants one-on-one, not multiparty talks with Kim Jong-un, national security adviser John Bolton says
​

The US has little interest in joining other countries in a multi-nation effort to get North Korea to give up its nuclear weapons, President Donald Trump’s national security adviser said Sunday.

The United States is not trying to exclude other nations from nuclear talks with Pyongyang, John Bolton told Fox News Sunday, but “I think it’s not what our preference is”.

“I think Kim Jong-un, at least up until now, has wanted the one-on-one contact with the United States, which is what he has gotten,” Bolton said, adding that Trump is open to possibility of a third summit with Kim.

Following their talks in Russia on Thursday, President Vladimir Putin suggested the revival of a multilateral approach to the denuclearisation negotiations, which have failed in the past.

COMMENTS:-

1. Obviously, considering the source, this is a completely false story - right?

2. The advantage of "multi-party talks" from Mr. Trump's point of view is that he can always blame the Russians and/or the Chinese if they fall apart - blaming Mr. Kim simply doesn't have any headline appeal any longer.

3. The disadvantage of "one on one" talks from Mr. Trump's point of view is that he will be blamed if he doesn't come up with a resounding win that gives the US 100% of what it wants and gives the DPRK 0.00% of what it wants.

4. The advantage of "multi-party talks" from Mr. Kim's point of view is that he has some third-party assurance that Mr. Trump will actually "pay for the pianos once delivered".

5. The disadvantage of "one on one talks" from Mr. Kim's point of view is that he would have to be dealing with someone who has a track record of NOT "paying for the pianos once delivered" (and someone who just might not be capable of recognizing a piano if it fell on him).

6. When you add those five together, it is absolutely inconceivable that any rational person wants "one on one talks" and that means that there is no way that Mr. Trump wants "one on one talks"- right?
​

It's all a silly theatrical performance. Kim's not going to budge, though he might make some meaningless concessions, or major concessions that he'll renege on in the great Kim family tradition. Trump thinks he can charm or bully Kim into submission with his winning smile or bigger missiles. Not very likely. Trump is in over his head, as always.

 

[sangha]

Actually it guarantees that Trump will want a one on one

 

[CMPancake]

Trump shouldn't be trusted alone in a room with children. Let alone a child that doesn't want to part with their toys.

 

[Slavister]

He had said they were in love. He probably just does not want any 3rd wheels.

 

[Exquisitor]

Trump shouldn't be trusted alone in a room with children. Let alone a child that doesn't want to part with their toys.

Child is an interesting factor in the equation.

Un was a child on a more advanced planet.

Letting go of his toys is not the issue, he has bigger plans to sate his rage when he controls a planet.

The Great Tribulation, 2020-2026 Convergence

 

[GDViking]

He had said they were in love. He probably just does not want any 3rd wheels.

Hasn't he claimed to enjoy group sex???

 

[JustHanging]

Hasn't he claimed to enjoy group sex???

WTF?!!!??! We're talking about the POTUS here, not some sort of clown sh......

erm.....never mind. Carry on.

 

[Idiometer]

From The South China Morning Post

Donald Trump wants one-on-one, not multiparty talks with Kim Jong-un, national security adviser John Bolton says
​

The US has little interest in joining other countries in a multi-nation effort to get North Korea to give up its nuclear weapons, President Donald Trump’s national security adviser said Sunday.

The United States is not trying to exclude other nations from nuclear talks with Pyongyang, John Bolton told Fox News Sunday, but “I think it’s not what our preference is”.

“I think Kim Jong-un, at least up until now, has wanted the one-on-one contact with the United States, which is what he has gotten,” Bolton said, adding that Trump is open to possibility of a third summit with Kim.

Following their talks in Russia on Thursday, President Vladimir Putin suggested the revival of a multilateral approach to the denuclearisation negotiations, which have failed in the past.

COMMENTS:-

1. Obviously, considering the source, this is a completely false story - right?

2. The advantage of "multi-party talks" from Mr. Trump's point of view is that he can always blame the Russians and/or the Chinese if they fall apart - blaming Mr. Kim simply doesn't have any headline appeal any longer.

3. The disadvantage of "one on one" talks from Mr. Trump's point of view is that he will be blamed if he doesn't come up with a resounding win that gives the US 100% of what it wants and gives the DPRK 0.00% of what it wants.

4. The advantage of "multi-party talks" from Mr. Kim's point of view is that he has some third-party assurance that Mr. Trump will actually "pay for the pianos once delivered".

5. The disadvantage of "one on one talks" from Mr. Kim's point of view is that he would have to be dealing with someone who has a track record of NOT "paying for the pianos once delivered" (and someone who just might not be capable of recognizing a piano if it fell on him).

6. When you add those five together, it is absolutely inconceivable that any rational person wants "one on one talks" and that means that there is no way that Mr. Trump wants "one on one talks"- right?
​

He does, but not for those reasons.

When meeting with other world leaders, Trump does not come off looking much like one of them. He's an ignoramus, deep down he knows he's out of his depth, and groups meetings tend to show, that, while one on one allows him to make up his own narrative. His ego requires that he be seen as powerful and intelligent, and Trump seldom says or does anything that doesn't feed his giant, fragile ego. He's the most insecure president we've ever suffered.

 

[Idiometer]

It's all a silly theatrical performance. Kim's not going to budge, though he might make some meaningless concessions, or major concessions that he'll renege on in the great Kim family tradition. Trump thinks he can charm or bully Kim into submission with his winning smile or bigger missiles. Not very likely. Trump is in over his head, as always.

Kim Jong Un wants to be able to show his people that their "Dear Leader" sits down with the most powerful people on the planet, and that they take him seriously as a peer. He's in it for the photo ops ... and Trump gives him exactly what he wants, as did Putin last week. Kim has no intention of stopping or even slowing down his nuclear program. He's just keeping it quiet for a while.

 

[Dittohead not!]

From The South China Morning Post

Donald Trump wants one-on-one, not multiparty talks with Kim Jong-un, national security adviser John Bolton says
​

The US has little interest in joining other countries in a multi-nation effort to get North Korea to give up its nuclear weapons, President Donald Trump’s national security adviser said Sunday.

The United States is not trying to exclude other nations from nuclear talks with Pyongyang, John Bolton told Fox News Sunday, but “I think it’s not what our preference is”.

“I think Kim Jong-un, at least up until now, has wanted the one-on-one contact with the United States, which is what he has gotten,” Bolton said, adding that Trump is open to possibility of a third summit with Kim.

Following their talks in Russia on Thursday, President Vladimir Putin suggested the revival of a multilateral approach to the denuclearisation negotiations, which have failed in the past.

COMMENTS:-

1. Obviously, considering the source, this is a completely false story - right?

2. The advantage of "multi-party talks" from Mr. Trump's point of view is that he can always blame the Russians and/or the Chinese if they fall apart - blaming Mr. Kim simply doesn't have any headline appeal any longer.

3. The disadvantage of "one on one" talks from Mr. Trump's point of view is that he will be blamed if he doesn't come up with a resounding win that gives the US 100% of what it wants and gives the DPRK 0.00% of what it wants.

4. The advantage of "multi-party talks" from Mr. Kim's point of view is that he has some third-party assurance that Mr. Trump will actually "pay for the pianos once delivered".

5. The disadvantage of "one on one talks" from Mr. Kim's point of view is that he would have to be dealing with someone who has a track record of NOT "paying for the pianos once delivered" (and someone who just might not be capable of recognizing a piano if it fell on him).

6. When you add those five together, it is absolutely inconceivable that any rational person wants "one on one talks" and that means that there is no way that Mr. Trump wants "one on one talks"- right?
​

Didn't he already meet one on one with Kim Jung Un? What was the outcome of that one, and why would anyone think it would be any different the next time?

 

[bearpoker]

Didn't he already meet one on one with Kim Jung Un? What was the outcome of that one, and why would anyone think it would be any different the next time?

Trump can't get over his idea that he's a master deal maker. Despite the contrary reality. I know it's nutty, but that's Trump. He doesn't understand that Kim isn't just a small time contractor that he can jerk around. Trump is used to dealing with people when he has all the power on his side. He doesn't understand the limits of power in a geopolitical context.

 

[JustHanging]

Didn't he already meet one on one with Kim Jung Un? What was the outcome of that one,

Trump did a spendid job of playing Kim Jong Un's bitch, and carrying his water to the rest of the world.

and why would anyone think it would be any different the next time?

Good point.

 

[Mycroft]

From The South China Morning Post

Donald Trump wants one-on-one, not multiparty talks with Kim Jong-un, national security adviser John Bolton says
​

The US has little interest in joining other countries in a multi-nation effort to get North Korea to give up its nuclear weapons, President Donald Trump’s national security adviser said Sunday.

The United States is not trying to exclude other nations from nuclear talks with Pyongyang, John Bolton told Fox News Sunday, but “I think it’s not what our preference is”.

“I think Kim Jong-un, at least up until now, has wanted the one-on-one contact with the United States, which is what he has gotten,” Bolton said, adding that Trump is open to possibility of a third summit with Kim.

Following their talks in Russia on Thursday, President Vladimir Putin suggested the revival of a multilateral approach to the denuclearisation negotiations, which have failed in the past.

COMMENTS:-

1. Obviously, considering the source, this is a completely false story - right?

2. The advantage of "multi-party talks" from Mr. Trump's point of view is that he can always blame the Russians and/or the Chinese if they fall apart - blaming Mr. Kim simply doesn't have any headline appeal any longer.

3. The disadvantage of "one on one" talks from Mr. Trump's point of view is that he will be blamed if he doesn't come up with a resounding win that gives the US 100% of what it wants and gives the DPRK 0.00% of what it wants.

4. The advantage of "multi-party talks" from Mr. Kim's point of view is that he has some third-party assurance that Mr. Trump will actually "pay for the pianos once delivered".

5. The disadvantage of "one on one talks" from Mr. Kim's point of view is that he would have to be dealing with someone who has a track record of NOT "paying for the pianos once delivered" (and someone who just might not be capable of recognizing a piano if it fell on him).

6. When you add those five together, it is absolutely inconceivable that any rational person wants "one on one talks" and that means that there is no way that Mr. Trump wants "one on one talks"- right?
​

Well, this certainly is a convoluted exercise in logic. There's only one problem: You seem to have absolutely no idea how Trump operates.

Here, this will help...



Don't get distracted by the chaff and countermeasures.

 

[Saladin4]

Kim is too busy hanging out with Putin.....No doubt both are laughing at that idiot trump

 

[Exquisitor]

Trump can't get over his idea that he's a master deal maker. Despite the contrary reality. I know it's nutty, but that's Trump. He doesn't understand that Kim isn't just a small time contractor that he can jerk around. Trump is used to dealing with people when he has all the power on his side. He doesn't understand the limits of power in a geopolitical context.

I don't mind giving Un photo ops, it's only fair.

But did you come all the way across Eternity to not say that the Lord Jesus Christ loves him?

 

[Risky Thicket]

I don't mind giving Un photo ops, it's only fair.

But did you come all the way across Eternity to not say that the Lord Jesus Christ loves him?

Wha..?

 

[Fletch]

It's all a silly theatrical performance. Kim's not going to budge, though he might make some meaningless concessions, or major concessions that he'll renege on in the great Kim family tradition. Trump thinks he can charm or bully Kim into submission with his winning smile or bigger missiles. Not very likely. Trump is in over his head, as always.

Well, yes and no. Trump is not 'in over his head' he is simply trying a different approach to get Kim to denuke. The problem isnt the approach, but the goal. Kim will never give up his nukes and I dont know why we expect him to. Lots of countries have nukes. Do we demand that they denuclearize before we deal with them? No. Of course not. So why in NK any different? The horse has left the barn with regard to NK nukes so we should change our approach. We should let him keep his nukes because he is going to anyway. What we should do is offer sanctions relief and investment if Kim improves his human rights record. If Kim wants sanction relief, he needs to move toward a free society. Arguing over nukes is pointless.

 

[bearpoker]

Well, yes and no. Trump is not 'in over his head' he is simply trying a different approach to get Kim to denuke. The problem isnt the approach, but the goal. Kim will never give up his nukes and I dont know why we expect him to. Lots of countries have nukes. Do we demand that they denuclearize before we deal with them? No. Of course not. So why in NK any different? The horse has left the barn with regard to NK nukes so we should change our approach. We should let him keep his nukes because he is going to anyway. What we should do is offer sanctions relief and investment if Kim improves his human rights record. If Kim wants sanction relief, he needs to move toward a free society. Arguing over nukes is pointless.

Trump has no interest in human rights, so that won't be a problem.

 

[bearpoker]

I don't mind giving Un photo ops, it's only fair.

But did you come all the way across Eternity to not say that the Lord Jesus Christ loves him?

Jesus may love him. I do not.

 

[Fletch]

Trump has no interest in human rights, so that won't be a problem.

Well thats an idiotic response. But thats what I get for addressing you.

 

[JustHanging]

Trump can't get over his idea that he's a master deal maker. Despite the contrary reality. I know it's nutty, but that's Trump. He doesn't understand that Kim isn't just a small time contractor that he can jerk around. Trump is used to dealing with people when he has all the power on his side. He doesn't understand the limits of power in a geopolitical context.

I disagree. I doubt he has any negotiation skills, other than as you said, having the other guy over a barrel, and he gets to do what he wants.

His only other strategy appears to be getting down on his knees and begging. Remember, that's what he did with the President of Mexico to try and get him to agree to build the wall. LOL, those were some funny phone transcripts. What a putz.

 

[CMPancake]

Child is an interesting factor in the equation.

Un was a child on a more advanced planet.

Letting go of his toys is not the issue, he has bigger plans to sate his rage when he controls a planet.

The Great Tribulation, 2020-2026 Convergence

I don't think the DPRK military is dumb enough to believe they can win a global war. Even if they had China's help. Their understanding is that the only thing preventing a US invasion/insurgency is their nuclear weaponry.

 

[Exquisitor]

Wha..?

Wha..t?

Are you a moose?

Did you know the Lord Jesus Christ loves you too and that he died for you?

Jesus may love him. I do not.

No, but it is your duty to tell him.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

He does, but not for those reasons.

When meeting with other world leaders, Trump does not come off looking much like one of them. He's an ignoramus, deep down he knows he's out of his depth, and groups meetings tend to show, that, while one on one allows him to make up his own narrative. His ego requires that he be seen as powerful and intelligent, and Trump seldom says or does anything that doesn't feed his giant, fragile ego. He's the most insecure president we've ever suffered.

I think that Mr. Kim should agree to "one on one" negotiations on two conditions:

1. out of mutual respect each of Mr. Kim and Mr. Trump will conduct their part of the negotiations in the other's primary language; and
2. a full video recording of the negotiations will be made but not released UNLESS EITHER of Mr. Trump or Mr. Kim claims that something was agreed to that the other says was not agreed to (and, should that happen, the ENTIRETY of the recording will be released UNEDITED).