Does using Clinton for deflection work for the GOP? [W:71]

[independentusa]

I read, watch and listen to GOPers on TV, radio and even here on this message board using Clinton in attempts to deflect from possible Trump and his people's wrong doing. I often wonder if this really works for you out there? To me it sounds like even though what they did was wrong, Clinton did it too so you should just let it go. Sometimes they even use made up stuff about Clinton or another Dem to try and deflect. TO me instead of making Trump look less guilty, it does the opposite, making him look more guilty. Its like when I was a child and got caught doing something wrong and saying that my brother did it and didn't get caught so I should be let go. It wouldn't have worked in my family and I don't think it should work for Trump. You might have a different opinion.

 

[Mycroft]

Re: Does using Clinton for deflection work for the GOP?

I read, watch and listen to GOPers on TV, radio and even here on this message board using Clinton in attempts to deflect from possible Trump and his people's wrong doing. I often wonder if this really works for you out there? To me it sounds like even though what they did was wrong, Clinton did it too so you should just let it go. Sometimes they even use made up stuff about Clinton or another Dem to try and deflect. TO me instead of making Trump look less guilty, it does the opposite, making him look more guilty. Its like when I was a child and got caught doing something wrong and saying that my brother did it and didn't get caught so I should be let go. It wouldn't have worked in my family and I don't think it should work for Trump. You might have a different opinion.

It's not really a deflection to mention the more serious actions from Hillary. It's more of an illumination of the hypocrisy of the Mainstream Media, their talking potato heads, the Democrats, the GOP Trump haters...and assorted useful idiots who are making a big deal of this nothingburger involving Trump Jr.

Now all those people I mentioned seem to be unable to perceive their hypocrisy. Are you?

 

[Captain America]

Re: Does using Clinton for deflection work for the GOP?

Yes.

Yes it does. Their base eats it up like chocolate puddin'.

But in all fairness, in the past, when I would bash Obama, the libbos would deflect on Bush.

Nobody has the moral highground when it comes to deflection.

 

[SocialD]

Re: Does using Clinton for deflection work for the GOP?

I read, watch and listen to GOPers on TV, radio and even here on this message board using Clinton in attempts to deflect from possible Trump and his people's wrong doing. I often wonder if this really works for you out there? To me it sounds like even though what they did was wrong, Clinton did it too so you should just let it go. Sometimes they even use made up stuff about Clinton or another Dem to try and deflect. TO me instead of making Trump look less guilty, it does the opposite, making him look more guilty. Its like when I was a child and got caught doing something wrong and saying that my brother did it and didn't get caught so I should be let go. It wouldn't have worked in my family and I don't think it should work for Trump. You might have a different opinion.

the Dems have been doing it for several decades often successfully so I suppose its worth a try

 

[Yes_Minister]

Re: Does using Clinton for deflection work for the GOP?

It's not really a deflection to mention the more serious actions from Hillary. It's more of an illumination of the hypocrisy of the Mainstream Media, their talking potato heads, the Democrats, the GOP Trump haters...and assorted useful idiots who are making a big deal of this nothingburger involving Trump Jr.

Now all those people I mentioned seem to be unable to perceive their hypocrisy. Are you?

Except Hillary is not President, she's not anything any more, she is irrelevant, why keep on mentioning her, what Hillary did and didn't is irrelevant to Trump does, whatever her sins, they do not magically make Trump better.

This is some "Two minutes of hate against Emmanuel Goldstein" type non sense.

Have your two minutes and then bask in the glory of the great leader Trump and everything he does is great and anyone who says he is not doing something great is a liar.

This ultimate dysfunction of the American political culture, where personal responsibility is irrelevant, because you can just blame for your leader's failures and annoying the other side is more important than good governance and policy.

As long as America sticks with this toxic, failed, hyper partisan, two party system, America will decline, rather ascend.

 

[Port & Starboard]

Re: Does using Clinton for deflection work for the GOP?

I read, watch and listen to GOPers on TV, radio and even here on this message board using Clinton in attempts to deflect from possible Trump and his people's wrong doing. I often wonder if this really works for you out there? To me it sounds like even though what they did was wrong, Clinton did it too so you should just let it go. Sometimes they even use made up stuff about Clinton or another Dem to try and deflect. TO me instead of making Trump look less guilty, it does the opposite, making him look more guilty. Its like when I was a child and got caught doing something wrong and saying that my brother did it and didn't get caught so I should be let go. It wouldn't have worked in my family and I don't think it should work for Trump. You might have a different opinion.

The sooner that you realize that Trump, Obama, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, never had your best interests at heart, will be the sooner you realize taking sides with either party is like sleeping with snakes.

 

[JamesBY]

Re: Does using Clinton for deflection work for the GOP?

The deflection only works to rile up the 35% that support Trump, regardless of what he does.

Those that hate the two party system are very few in numbers and have even less power.

 

[Captain America]

Re: Does using Clinton for deflection work for the GOP?

Except Hillary is not President, she's not anything any more, she is irrelevant, why keep on mentioning her, what Hillary did and didn't is irrelevant to Trump does, whatever her sins, they do not magically

This is some "Two minutes of hate against Emmanuel Goldstein" type non sense.

Have your two minutes and then bask in the glory of the great leader Trump and everything he does is great and anyone who says he is not doing something great is a liar.

This ultimate dysfunction of the American political culture, where personal responsibility is irrelevant, because you can just blame for your leader's failures and annoying the other side is more important than good governance and policy.

As long as America sticks with this toxic, failed, hyper partisan, two party system, America will decline, rather ascend.

I suspect, next election, the Dem's will incorporate the commie type fake news, like the GOP used last election.

Hey, it works. The proof is in the pudding.

Fight fire with fire. All's fair in love and politics I guess.

Yeah. We're screwed.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

Re: Does using Clinton for deflection work for the GOP?

The sooner that you realize that Trump, Obama, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, never had your best interests at heart, will be the sooner you realize taking sides with either party is like sleeping with snakes.

The jury is still out on Trump. However I completely agree about the rest of the party puppets you mentioned. Every one of them clearly bought and paid for.

 

[Linc]

Re: Does using Clinton for deflection work for the GOP?

It's not really a deflection to mention the more serious actions from Hillary. It's more of an illumination of the hypocrisy of the Mainstream Media, their talking potato heads, the Democrats, the GOP Trump haters...and assorted useful idiots who are making a big deal of this nothingburger involving Trump Jr.

Now all those people I mentioned seem to be unable to perceive their hypocrisy. Are you?

We'll hear from Mueller whose actions are more serious .

 

[X Factor]

Re: Does using Clinton for deflection work for the GOP?

I remember when all the Dems did was engage in deflection.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

Re: Does using Clinton for deflection work for the GOP?

The deflection only works to rile up the 35% that support Trump, regardless of what he does.

Those that hate the two party system are very few in numbers and have even less power.

It is sad so few can see through the corruption of both parties.

 

[Captain America]

Re: Does using Clinton for deflection work for the GOP?

I remember when all the Dems did was engage in deflection.

So do I. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[Linc]

Re: Does using Clinton for deflection work for the GOP?

GOPosters continue to forget what year we're in, who's the pr*sident, and what trump and his people have done in their miserable 35 weeks .

 

[Linc]

Re: Does using Clinton for deflection work for the GOP?

It is sad so few can see through the corruption of both parties.

Especially the GOParty that has all the power right now and is running interference for trump; knowing that Clinton would have joined her husband in the impeached category .

 

[X Factor]

Re: Does using Clinton for deflection work for the GOP?

So do I. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

I was being a bit tongue in cheek, you know...deflecting. You have a point, though. I guess the real moral of that story is that both are, indeed, black. I has been interesting watching the complete role reversals. Now "obstructionism" is a great thing among Dems and something for the Repubs to lament.

 

[Yes_Minister]

Re: Does using Clinton for deflection work for the GOP?

So do I. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

Most people have their own beliefs and values and people are not also going to agree on things, that's fine.

The problem is when people say you have support things, just because the President or the party leader does. Let's take Obama, just because you voted Democrat doesn't mean you have support everything he did. But if you think say the drone campaign or the NSA spying were bad things, just because you voted Democrat and Obama is the Democratic President, doesn't mean you have to support those things. Being in a political party should not be like being a cult, where you agree with the leader all the time.

Trump takes that type of non sense and takes further extreme. Its an attitude that destroys individualism and promotes group think.

 

[KevinKohler]

Re: Does using Clinton for deflection work for the GOP?

The sooner that you realize that Trump, Obama, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, never had your best interests at heart, will be the sooner you realize taking sides with either party is like sleeping with snakes.

Woa, there buddy.











There's nothing all that dangerous about sleeping with snakes.

 

[X Factor]

Re: Does using Clinton for deflection work for the GOP?

GOPosters continue to forget what year we're in, who's the pr*sident, and what trump and his people have done in their miserable 35 weeks .

Despit what you may be feeling right now, "president" is actually not a dirty word you have to get past the censors. :lol:

 

[Mycroft]

Re: Does using Clinton for deflection work for the GOP?

Except Hillary is not President, she's not anything any more, she is irrelevant, why keep on mentioning her, what Hillary did and didn't is irrelevant to Trump does, whatever her sins, they do not magically make Trump better.

This is some "Two minutes of hate against Emmanuel Goldstein" type non sense.

Have your two minutes and then bask in the glory of the great leader Trump and everything he does is great and anyone who says he is not doing something great is a liar.

This ultimate dysfunction of the American political culture, where personal responsibility is irrelevant, because you can just blame for your leader's failures and annoying the other side is more important than good governance and policy.

As long as America sticks with this toxic, failed, hyper partisan, two party system, America will decline, rather ascend.

Ridiculous.

She didn't win the election, so colluding with other countries is okay...for her? But Trump DID win the election and he should be impeached...thrown in jail...heck, some say he should be executed for freaking treason...for doing LESS than she did?

Maybe you also think that Obama...since he's not President anymore...shouldn't be held responsible for breaking the law while he WAS President?

Yep...that's the hypocrisy I was talking about.

 

[Mycroft]

Re: Does using Clinton for deflection work for the GOP?

We'll hear from Mueller whose actions are more serious .

Perhaps there should be a special prosecutor to look into Hillary's actions, as well. Right?

Or, are you steeped in hypocrisy, too?

 

[Fletch]

Re: Does using Clinton for deflection work for the GOP?

I read, watch and listen to GOPers on TV, radio and even here on this message board using Clinton in attempts to deflect from possible Trump and his people's wrong doing. I often wonder if this really works for you out there? To me it sounds like even though what they did was wrong, Clinton did it too so you should just let it go. Sometimes they even use made up stuff about Clinton or another Dem to try and deflect. TO me instead of making Trump look less guilty, it does the opposite, making him look more guilty. Its like when I was a child and got caught doing something wrong and saying that my brother did it and didn't get caught so I should be let go. It wouldn't have worked in my family and I don't think it should work for Trump. You might have a different opinion.

Obviously, you paid zero attention to the deflection your side has been engaged in for the past 8 years. Did you miss all the deflections Hillary fans used during her email troubles? I guess so. Perhaps you might use the search function. There were dozens and dozens of deflection threads that didn't seem to bother you when your side did it.

 

[Perotista]

Re: Does using Clinton for deflection work for the GOP?

I read, watch and listen to GOPers on TV, radio and even here on this message board using Clinton in attempts to deflect from possible Trump and his people's wrong doing. I often wonder if this really works for you out there? To me it sounds like even though what they did was wrong, Clinton did it too so you should just let it go. Sometimes they even use made up stuff about Clinton or another Dem to try and deflect. TO me instead of making Trump look less guilty, it does the opposite, making him look more guilty. Its like when I was a child and got caught doing something wrong and saying that my brother did it and didn't get caught so I should be let go. It wouldn't have worked in my family and I don't think it should work for Trump. You might have a different opinion.

No, it doesn't work. Nixon tried the same thing citing all the things LBJ did. It didn't work for him and it won't work for Trump. Hillary Clinton is gone, passe just like LBJ was gone, passe for Nixon. It may make one's supporters feel better, but for the majority it doesn't do a thing. No one cared what LBJ did while he was in office, he was gone by the time Nixon was caught and became pot roast. Most people only care about what the person in office now does. Not what someone did many moons ago. Ancient history even if true.

 

[Mr Person]

Re: Does using Clinton for deflection work for the GOP?

the Dems have been doing it for several decades often successfully so I suppose its worth a try

Oh, this is the first time people on the right deflected in this manner? They're only doing it now after several decades of restraint?




Please.

 

[Mr Person]

Re: Does using Clinton for deflection work for the GOP?

It's not really a deflection to mention the more serious actions from Hillary. It's more of an illumination of the hypocrisy of the Mainstream Media, their talking potato heads, the Democrats, the GOP Trump haters...and assorted useful idiots who are making a big deal of this nothingburger involving Trump Jr.

Now all those people I mentioned seem to be unable to perceive their hypocrisy. Are you?

Yes, it really is deflection.

If Trump does something that is bad, mentioning Hillary must be a deflection. The only way it is not a deflection is if the poster's point is to suggest that two wrongs make a right.





Otherwise, it is a deflection. The most common (and stupid) form of the deflection is to say (1) the poster is a member of the "other side", (2) every member of the "other side" is answerable for other members' statements, (3) whatever Trump did is sufficiently similar to what Hillary did for comparison, (4) there were people on the "other side" that did not criticize Hillary for doing it, therefore, (5) everyone on the "other side" is a hypocrite.

Link from elsewhere:

Whataboutism - RationalWiki