Does Trump Really Think He Can Win A Trade War With China? (1 Viewer)

[PIPEWRENCH]

Evidently China is prepared to wait this out until it really hurst

You actually don't buy much from China you buy from companies operating in China, many of them American. Yes, you import more and as a result Americans will pay more in tariffs than the Chinese. The biggest imports to China are American Agra products so the tariffs China has put on will actually impact American exporters.

American small business and companies that lower income families depend on like Walmart will take the brunt and it's going to hurt big time while Trump gave big tech a pass. The Chinese are not soft people. China doesn't import day to day consumer products from the US. They will outlast Americans who will be screaming blue murder if Trump allows this to continue.

In reality it doesn't matter. We need to pay for what we spend. Inflation and high prices are a direct result to of the debt. When the government is in debt it is the people of this country that must pay that debt. The government must raise taxes and or cut spending in order to resolve the problem. Tariffs are taxes that can be used towards government debt. Maybe we need to reign in our farming in areas that do not have the water to support agriculture. We are depleting our aquafers trying to grow crops where the climate cannot sustain the type of agriculture we are trying to grow there. We can clearly feed our people with legal immigration. We can put a lot of legal immigrants to work in modern facilities competing with other countries making products. We do not need drug dealers and gangs terrorizing our citizens. We need law abiding immigrants who want to live the American dream like our ancestors did. I have no problem paying my way. If Chinese products cost more than I can afford then they can keep them. I will just save for a while like I have done my entire life and buy an American product.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

That is a pipe dream

Elon musk isn't finding waste and fraud. He is destroying our government. 150 billion is all he says he will save this year. Not anywhere near the 2 trillion he claimed in the begining.

There is lots of waste and inefficiencies in our government. Anyone who has dealt with our government is more than aware of this.

Manufacturers are not coming back due to trumps tarrifs

I will wait and see if a president and our congress encouraging business to return instead of leave is the right way to get them back.

And those tarrifs will not be used reduce the federal debt. Trump's deficits will exceed Biden's.

The money from those tariffs will be used to by the Federal Government to pay our bills. Please.

You missed the part about it is American manufacturers we are buying products from in China. They left America decades ago.

How Americans are they employing? Oh they are employing Chinese people. Those companies putting China first can take a back seat to American Companies employing American citizens and legal immigrants making products here in America that we can start buying again.

 

[rahl]

No.

"If it does" speculation is dependent upon too many unknowns.

Special pleading

 

[rahl]

Your dishonesty knows no bounds.
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[iliveonramen]

U.S. inflation will likely rise this year, which will not only hurt American living standards but possibly cause the Federal Reserve to go slow on lowering interest rates, prolonging the misery.

That misery is hitting Main Street. Whereas Chinese President Xi Jinping doesn’t have to worry about midterm elections, congressional Republicans do. Mr. Trump’s approval rating is plunging alongside the stock market, and if he leads his party to defeat next year he’ll become a lame duck president. When the cameras and microphones are on, Republicans are standing by him; when they’re off, they’re getting antsy. There’s only so much of this they can take.

China, meanwhile, can absorb a fair bit of punishment. The country has extremely low inflation and a huge savings rate, amounting to nearly half of total output. If the government reorients a mere tenth of those savings to consumption, by raising wages or boosting spending, it could make up for all lost sales to America. And unlike the Fed, China’s central bank can increase liquidity in the banking system and thereby reduce interest rates without fretting that inflation will spin out of control.

Opinion: Does Donald Trump really think he can win a trade war against China? — The Globe and Mail

The Chinese economy may take a bigger hit, but Chinese leaders may have greater reserves of political and financial capital to outlast Donald Trump

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I think yes, we could take on a trade war with China, if there was a plan or actual strategy and we had worked with our allies.

Trump's version of trade war, seemingly arbitrary tariffs lobbed out at everyone including our allies is with this weird believe that no one will retaliate is the opposite of that.

The fact that someone people believes he has this master plan and going to somehow land this plane after destroying both engines mid flight and clipping both wings is mind boggling. I wish that for like one hour I could borrow their brain and see how it processes the world around them. It must be eye opening.

 

[multivita-man]

The bond market ended Trump's trade war.

It ended the maximally stupid part of the trade war, but I wouldn't say it ended the "trade war."

I use the term "trade war" in quotes because it seems to be understating what's really happening, which is the attempted strategic economic containment of China. I'd go beyond mere containment, too. If this were a trade war, we would be using our own trade policies and resource restrictions to coerce China into behaving the way we want, but we're going further than that. We're trying to strong-arm other nations into predicating US trade with them on their imposing their own trade restrictions or otherwise injuring China. We're attempting to abuse our own political alliances, with the irony being that these same bozos have already inflicted severe diplomatic strain on those alliances that they now want to weaponize against China. This is an economic and diplomatic war, not a trade war. And it is being waged and war-planned by some people who's stupidity and incompetence is only surpassed by their depravity and corruption.

Hope we can recover our good standing with the world.

Good luck with that. The rest of the world is watching the US presidency, with all of its powers, corrupt its own rule of law, erase its own separation of powers, and destabilize its own internal political guardrails and controls. It's not as simple as Trump learning a lesson and behaving better from now on and then having the American people restore faith in our system by voting in Mayor Pete or Gavin Newsom in 2028 (if there are even free and fair elections then). The entire world, friend and foe alike, is watching the US's institutions go up in a blaze. They know that they can't trust us anymore and they're not going to hold their breath, either.

Meanwhile, China sees the Trump administration now as an existential threat. To China, the US is not just a strategic economic and geopolitical competitor; we are a serious threat to their national economic and security goals, and despite Trump's bromance with Putin, there's no change in perception from Moscow either. We're still imposing sanctions on them. We still head NATO. We still have influence and the capacity to change regimes and the balance of power in the Middle East (not to mention energy security). So China and Russia will be working together for the foreseeable future.

It may take a new face in the white house though. Trump should be removed from office!

There is no going back. What Trump has broken cannot be put together again. We could restore diplomatic ties again, but that's not the same as diplomatic trust. We haven't seen the fallout yet, as this is all just beginning, but we are going to be a substantially poorer nation because of all our new foreign and domestic policies.

 

[cpwill]

We need to take a page out the Chinese play book and bring back industry to our country.

We have industry in this country. We have the second highest manufacturing output in the world. It's just that our manufacture tends to be higher end industry and that which truly helps to be local.

"Bringing back" low paying jobs for low-value added manufacture won't make us wealthier, but poorer.

We need to pay down our debt not continue to increase it. This will be a long painful process but necessary.

We need to get closer to a balanced budget, however,

Tariffs temporarily solve some of those problems. They increase revenue so the federal government can reduce debt.

What is happening is that the implementation of tariffs is causing a recession, which will lower tax revenue.

I really love the work done by Elon on addressing waste and fraud which is clearly going on in our government. This is attacking the problem from the other side.

None of that has occurred. Congress passed a continuing resolution (which continues previous spending), and the bills in the House and Senate spend even more than Biden had us set up to spend.

It's theater.

Most of our left run cities make money importing goods while

Exporting services and goods.

Hopefully tariffs will turn this around and establish industry back in our country. Clearly we were doing much better when we made products vs importing products.

While we do make stuff (and a lot of our imports are materials for our exports), Americans are wealthier now than any set of human beings in the history of the species. We are a good bit wealthier than the era you are referencing.

Party hate was, is, and continues to be the biggest stumbling block to all of our problems.

It's a big one. I would also add : ignorance, and a focus on short term thinking.

We buy a lot more from China than China buys from us so they have more to lose. That should be obvious to anyone looking at the tariff situation.

Respectfully, that is not how the math is going to work, which is why Xi can force Trump to back down, and not visa versa.

 

[Absentglare]

U.S. inflation will likely rise this year, which will not only hurt American living standards but possibly cause the Federal Reserve to go slow on lowering interest rates, prolonging the misery.

That misery is hitting Main Street. Whereas Chinese President Xi Jinping doesn’t have to worry about midterm elections, congressional Republicans do. Mr. Trump’s approval rating is plunging alongside the stock market, and if he leads his party to defeat next year he’ll become a lame duck president. When the cameras and microphones are on, Republicans are standing by him; when they’re off, they’re getting antsy. There’s only so much of this they can take.

China, meanwhile, can absorb a fair bit of punishment. The country has extremely low inflation and a huge savings rate, amounting to nearly half of total output. If the government reorients a mere tenth of those savings to consumption, by raising wages or boosting spending, it could make up for all lost sales to America. And unlike the Fed, China’s central bank can increase liquidity in the banking system and thereby reduce interest rates without fretting that inflation will spin out of control.

Opinion: Does Donald Trump really think he can win a trade war against China? — The Globe and Mail

The Chinese economy may take a bigger hit, but Chinese leaders may have greater reserves of political and financial capital to outlast Donald Trump

apple.news

The thing about Donald Trump is that, unlike the other puppets, he suffers from a very real mental illness.

When Donald Trump talks, he appears to believe nearly every word he says, even when it’s obviously false. There have been times that he contradicted himself within a single sentence, and he still seemed to believe every word.

When you watch JD Vance speak, like when they ambushed Zelensky, you can tell he’s faking it, that he’s reading from a script and doesn’t mean what he’s saying.

But Trump, well, if Trump thought claiming the Earth is flat would benefit him, he’d do it in a heartbeat, and his mental illness would allow him to actually believe it. He warps reality around his own self-interest. It’s why he’s so dangerous, because, as President Obama once said, “reality has a way of asserting itself.”

 

[forn]

We don't need to win a trade war with China. But it is imperative that we disengage ourselves from depending on Chinese products.

 

[Captain Adverse]

We don't need to win a trade war with China. But it is imperative that we disengage ourselves from depending on Chinese products.

Exactly the point I have been arguing all along. We are too dependent on China for steel production, and it appears several computer companies are dependent on China for computer products.

We definitely need to strip China of both our steel production and as much of the computer parts production as we can and bring those back to the USA. I could care less about cheap clothing or other such production. But we can't be dependent on China for any critical products.

 

[justoneman]

U.S. inflation will likely rise this year, which will not only hurt American living standards but possibly cause the Federal Reserve to go slow on lowering interest rates, prolonging the misery.

That misery is hitting Main Street. Whereas Chinese President Xi Jinping doesn’t have to worry about midterm elections, congressional Republicans do. Mr. Trump’s approval rating is plunging alongside the stock market, and if he leads his party to defeat next year he’ll become a lame duck president. When the cameras and microphones are on, Republicans are standing by him; when they’re off, they’re getting antsy. There’s only so much of this they can take.

China, meanwhile, can absorb a fair bit of punishment. The country has extremely low inflation and a huge savings rate, amounting to nearly half of total output. If the government reorients a mere tenth of those savings to consumption, by raising wages or boosting spending, it could make up for all lost sales to America. And unlike the Fed, China’s central bank can increase liquidity in the banking system and thereby reduce interest rates without fretting that inflation will spin out of control.

Opinion: Does Donald Trump really think he can win a trade war against China? — The Globe and Mail

The Chinese economy may take a bigger hit, but Chinese leaders may have greater reserves of political and financial capital to outlast Donald Trump

apple.news

Of course he will. Orders from the US have been cancelled. Shipping containers are stacked up in the ports and nothing is being shipped. The immediate pin is being felt by China and not the US.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Of course he will. Orders from the US have been cancelled. Shipping containers are stacked up in the ports and nothing is being shipped. The immediate pin is being felt by China and not the US.

We will feel it soon enough.

Did anyone in the administration ever consider a non-brute force approach for ANYTHING? Trade? Greenland? DOGE? Anything?

 

[AZRWinger]

Rant?


That all you follow up with are silly questions and assuming anything I said resembles China being a benevolent regime was worth a chuckle. As for the Chinese having hegemonic control over the green energy sector, that's already happened since they lead in the production of the technology, produce the rare earth minerals needed, and lead in green energy research. My point is the same as it's been for years: the US chose to not challenge China in part because of the opponents of green energy. To now have folks complain about China's hegemony in this sector displays a serious lack of awareness.

You're continously whining about the US not forcing enough so-called green energy into our economy but dismiss the practical solution to developing US manufacturing capability by imposing reciprocal trade arrangements as "silly questions". Lack of awareness comes into play with the refusal to recognize the Chinese agenda is to leverage the naivety of green energy zealots into economic dominance.

We could, but we're already coming back from behind. We ban their EVs in the US market, but their largest company (BYD) has recently surpassed Tesla in sales, and unlike Tesla, BYD's developed more affordable models and across different vehicle types. We can increase manufacturing here, but it will take time to match China globally and they'll have the head start to advance even further.

EVs are energy consumers. What's under discussion is green energy generation equipment. You complain about the US government not forcing enough green energy requirements on our economy but then suggest the only solution is enriching Chinese dictators.

They are indeed, but if they stick to their plans they will not. If they're able to turn this around, they will be the example for the developing world and could actually have viable solutions for these nations who do not have the means to invest in green energy. Think of it in the same way that BYD developed affordable EVs as an example while Tesla still sticks to mostly expensive ones.

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Why did the US have to do that? Because we decided green energy tech was a waste of money and "SOLYNDRA!!" that we moved away from growth in this sector. China is the leader in this industry, so unless you want to wait years for US manufacturing to catch up, then we're going to buy from the people who filled the gap we opened.

Solyndra is just a prominent example of government subsidized green energy waste. There are others. It's an example of why leveling the playing field with trade restrictions on Chinese subsidized dumping is a superior option.

So we can wait for decades for the Chinese dictators to fulfill their promises to reduce their pollution output but waiting much likely for much shorter time, for US green energy equipment manufacturing to develop while we continue to reduce our output of pollution from electric energy generation is unacceptable.

I do enjoy this vilification of the Chinese when it was the US that decided to let this happen well before Biden. Do you think if we decided not to open up trade for green energy products from China they wouldn't still be the world's leader in this area? The same goes for all sorts of manufacturing.

Not only do you refuse to accept Biden’s unilateral surrender to China you argue for the inevitability of their dominance. Brilliant.

Then why did some in the country balk at the idea of investing in green energy? I thought "DRILL BABY DRILL!" was the way forward. As a side note, you might want to consider the fact the straight out exclusion of China in the semiconductor race has proven to not be an effective strategy either as the recent development in Deep Seek has proven out. They upended all of that by using older Nvidia chips and ended up producing an AI model that rivals the current ones and is more efficient to run.

The so-called environmental effort was corrupted by opportunists and radical Leftists. Subsidies along with a regulation based war on fossile fuel became a new gold rush for green energy scammers and ambitious politicians. Continued oil and natural gas resource development remains the best option for reliable domestic energy development. Certainly you have heard of the all of the above strategy?

 

[AZRWinger]

We will feel it soon enough.

Did anyone in the administration ever consider a non-brute force approach for ANYTHING? Trade? Greenland? DOGE? Anything?

You mean like appointing a committee to study the situation for years then ignoring even their most timid solutions? Just because the 2024 trade deficit of nearly $1 trillion set a new record is no reason to risk upsetting our trading partners who are exploiting us. Far better to live under one sided trade agreements than be brutes.

 

[ElChupacabra]

You're continously whining about the US not forcing enough so-called green energy into our economy but dismiss the practical solution to developing US manufacturing capability by imposing reciprocal trade arrangements as "silly questions". Lack of awareness comes into play with the refusal to recognize the Chinese agenda is to leverage the naivety of green energy zealots into economic dominance.

I'm not whinging, just pointing to your glaring omission of what has led to the US playing second fiddle to China in this industry. Currently, you're the one whinging about why now we should do something, which apparently means tariffs, but will do nothing meaningful to help the US given the chasm China developed between itself and this country in green technology and its supply chains.

EVs are energy consumers. What's under discussion is green energy generation equipment. You complain about the US government not forcing enough green energy requirements on our economy but then suggest the only solution is enriching Chinese dictators.

No. Much like the statement above, you completely miss the point. The only solution isn't "enriching Chinese dictators", which is a silly conclusion based on anything I wrote. What I'm pointing out is we are way behind China in this industry, and it will take a long time to catch up. This was the folly of being against green technology investments.

Solyndra is just a prominent example of government subsidized green energy waste. There are others. It's an example of why leveling the playing field with trade restrictions on Chinese subsidized dumping is a superior option.

Sure, and out of that failure the GOP ran with the agenda of killing investments into green energy to help it grow despite the headwinds from the fossil fuel industry. So we can restrict all Chinese green tech, but they dominate the global market, so if what you're advocating is us being a walled garden not expected to compete on the global stage, then maybe at some point we'll be green tech self sufficient, but the money goes to where the money is being made, and in this industry it isn't the US.

So we can wait for decades for the Chinese dictators to fulfill their promises to reduce their pollution output but waiting much likely for much shorter time, for US green energy equipment manufacturing to develop while we continue to reduce our output of pollution from electric energy generation is unacceptable.

So are you pro green energy investments by the government now?

Not only do you refuse to accept Biden’s unilateral surrender to China you argue for the inevitability of their dominance. Brilliant.

Again, an odd take from anything I've written. I can't change the fact China is where it is in green technology in part because the US opened that gap by not moving aggressively into it.

The so-called environmental effort was corrupted by opportunists and radical Leftists. Subsidies along with a regulation based war on fossile fuel became a new gold rush for green energy scammers and ambitious politicians. Continued oil and natural gas resource development remains the best option for reliable domestic energy development. Certainly you have heard of the all of the above strategy?

Ah, gotcha. Well, while you and others railed with that kind of nonsense, the Chinese became the global hegemonic power in the "so-called environmental effort".

 

[AZRWinger]

I'm not whinging, just pointing to your glaring omission of what has led to the US playing second fiddle to China in this industry. Currently, you're the one whinging about why now we should do something, which apparently means tariffs, but will do nothing meaningful to help the US given the chasm China developed between itself and this country in green technology and its supply chains.

As shown by their rapid response with retaliatory tariffs Chinese dictators have a different opinion than your speculation.

No. Much like the statement above, you completely miss the point. The only solution isn't "enriching Chinese dictators", which is a silly conclusion based on anything I wrote. What I'm pointing out is we are way behind China in this industry, and it will take a long time to catch up. This was the folly of being against green technology investments.

You have repeatedly blame shifted to what you claim was a long term trend of Republicans denying green energy as a distraction from Biden’s entirely voluntary lifting of trade restrictions from green energy equipment.

You have consistently advocated the US continue purchasing green energy equipment from China. It's incredibly naive to claim these sales don't enrich Chinese dictators.

Sure, and out of that failure the GOP ran with the agenda of killing investments into green energy to help it grow despite the headwinds from the fossil fuel industry. So we can restrict all Chinese green tech, but they dominate the global market, so if what you're advocating is us being a walled garden not expected to compete on the global stage, then maybe at some point we'll be green tech self sufficient, but the money goes to where the money is being made, and in this industry it isn't the US.

Walled garden? How dramatic. Despite your flair for drama my support is for tariffs to create a level playing field for domestic green energy equipment manufacturing. This encourages capital investment.

So are you pro green energy investments by the government now?

Where did you get that notion? I wrote on favor of fair trade.

Again, an odd take from anything I've written. I can't change the fact China is where it is in green technology in part because the US opened that gap by not moving aggressively into it.

You could respond by presenting a solution besides buying from China.

Ah, gotcha. Well, while you and others railed with that kind of nonsense, the Chinese became the global hegemonic power in the "so-called environmental effort".

Again blame shifting away from Biden’s decree undercutting US manufacturing. You're not interested in anything except advancing Chinese interests.

 

[ElChupacabra]

As shown by their rapid response with retaliatory tariffs Chinese dictators have a different opinion than your speculation.

Incorrect. They are retaliating because the US chose to start a trade war, so it is responding in kind by placing tariffs on all sorts of US goods.

You have repeatedly blame shifted to what you claim was a long term trend of Republicans denying green energy as a distraction from Biden’s entirely voluntary lifting of trade restrictions from green energy equipment.

Was the GOP dead set against the government investment into green energy? Biden't lifting of trade restrictions would help grow China's green energy market, but they are already the world's leader. What impact do you think not having lifted restrictions would have changed to that status?

You have consistently advocated the US continue purchasing green energy equipment from China. It's incredibly naive to claim these sales don't enrich Chinese dictators.

Us buying all sorts of other electronics and a wide array of products do. Have you been boycotting all products made in China over the years?

Walled garden? How dramatic. Despite your flair for drama my support is for tariffs to create a level playing field for domestic green energy equipment manufacturing. This encourages capital investment.

Walled garden is a perfect term for the mercantilism Donnie Boy's been advocating. So I'm confused. Are you in favor of green technology now or not, because to help it along, the government might need to give the industry some help. From an investment perspective, China has the edge because it already is well into extracting and refining rare earth minerals, and they lead in green energy manufacturing.

Where did you get that notion? I wrote on favor of fair trade.

So are you expecting green energy companies to compete well against China how, exactly?

You could respond by presenting a solution besides buying from China.

We could start manufacturing more here for sure, but that will face competition from a capital investment perspective because China is the cheaper and more reliable solution. We are currently buying from China because they are the main source of the resources and technology needed to produce this kind of product.

Again blame shifting away from Biden’s decree undercutting US manufacturing.

By how much did it undercut it when China is producing most of it?

You're not interested in anything except advancing Chinese interests.

Incorrect. China leads in this industry and none of the whinging you do changes that fact. It's similar to how we look to Taiwan for semiconductors, and the Netherlands for the lithography machines to make them.

 

[jaypatriot]

In reality it doesn't matter. We need to pay for what we spend. Inflation and high prices are a direct result to of the debt. When the government is in debt it is the people of this country that must pay that debt. The government must raise taxes and or cut spending in order to resolve the problem. Tariffs are taxes that can be used towards government debt. Maybe we need to reign in our farming in areas that do not have the water to support agriculture. We are depleting our aquafers trying to grow crops where the climate cannot sustain the type of agriculture we are trying to grow there. We can clearly feed our people with legal immigration. We can put a lot of legal immigrants to work in modern facilities competing with other countries making products. We do not need drug dealers and gangs terrorizing our citizens. We need law abiding immigrants who want to live the American dream like our ancestors did. I have no problem paying my way. If Chinese products cost more than I can afford then they can keep them. I will just save for a while like I have done my entire life and buy an American product.

I totally agree with your statement: "We need law abiding immigrants who want to live the American dream like our ancestors did."

Now we have to make sure those migrants are properly vetted before we turn them loose to find work and prosperity in our country.
I do feel kind of sheepish having just bought four dog booties from China for $22. Could not find a comparable product for my dog's paws domestically. The price from China has not yet increased.

 

[Hamish Howl]

You mean like appointing a committee to study the situation for years then ignoring even their most timid solutions? Just because the 2024 trade deficit of nearly $1 trillion set a new record is no reason to risk upsetting our trading partners who are exploiting us. Far better to live under one sided trade agreements than be brutes.

A few weeks and some economists would have been nice.

And who gives a shit about trade deficits? That's the buyer's prerogative.

 

[Captain Adverse]

I totally agree with your statement: "We need law abiding immigrants who want to live the American dream like our ancestors did."

Now we have to make sure those migrants are properly vetted before we turn them loose to find work and prosperity in our country.
I do feel kind of sheepish having just bought four dog booties from China for $22. Could not find a comparable product for my dog's paws domestically. The price from China has not yet increased.

Sounds like a problem requiring an American entrepreneur to create a business to meet the need. Not owning a pet myself, I can't recommend anyone in particular. Have you done any research on the availability of such American companies? Oh, I see you did...

Well, If no American companies, how's about non-Chinese foreign mail-order markets (India, Indonesia, Philippines. etc.)?

I can't believe China is the ONLY place one can get "dog booties."

 

[Phys251]

Sounds like a problem requiring an American entrepreneur to create a business to meet the need. Not owning a pet myself, I can't recommend anyone in particular. Have you done any research on the availability of such American companies?

Like the casinos that your boy tRump ran into the ground? Some entrepreneurship!

 

[jaypatriot]

Sounds like a problem requiring an American entrepreneur to create a business to meet the need. Not owning a pet myself, I can't recommend anyone in particular. Have you done any research on the availability of such American companies? If no American companies, how's about non-Chinese foreign mail-order markets (India, Indonesia, Philippines. etc.)?

Perhaps to clear my conscience the next time I order dog booties I should give other suppliers outside of China a chance.

 

[Captain Adverse]

You mean like appointing a committee to study the situation for years then ignoring even their most timid solutions? Just because the 2024 trade deficit of nearly $1 trillion set a new record is no reason to risk upsetting our trading partners who are exploiting us. Far better to live under one sided trade agreements than be brutes.

Sarcasm noted, and approved!

Keep up the good work.

 

[AZRWinger]

A few weeks and some economists would have been nice.

Trump's been talking about the problem for decades. The tariff solution has been a campaign speech staple. Consult economists some of whom would foretell disaster for anything that upsets the statis quo depending on their political alignment and current employment.

And who gives a shit about trade deficits? That's the buyer's prerogative.

Indeed, who cares if foreign governments play us for Uncle Sucker by banning US imports while our market is open to them. Who cares if we are dependent on our leading geopolitical foe for essential green energy, pharmaceutical, defense and telecommunications. They will always keep our interests at heart. Absurd.

 

[AZRWinger]

Incorrect. They are retaliating because the US chose to start a trade war, so it is responding in kind by placing tariffs on all sorts of US goods.

The Chinese communists have a long, well documented history of protectionist tariffs, import restrictions, and government endorsed theft of IP. The US didn't start a trade war, the Trump administration finally took action against China's trade abuses.

As President Trump frequently points out, there is no blaming the Chinese for exploiting Uncle Sucker's weaknesses. It's yet another reminder of his focus on problem solving rather than engaging in Democrat favorite pastimes of blame shifting and revisionist history.

Was the GOP dead set against the government investment into green energy? Biden't lifting of trade restrictions would help grow China's green energy market, but they are already the world's leader. What impact do you think not having lifted restrictions would have changed to that status?

Investing into green energy? Tax subsidies aren't investments. They are gifts to the well connected.

Glad you are finally recognizing Biden lifting trade restrictions was a net benefit to the Chinese.

The question is a crude attempt to deflect attention from Biden’s imperial command lifting trade sanctions in service to the Chinese.

Us buying all sorts of other electronics and a wide array of products do. Have you been boycotting all products made in China over the years?

Taking refuge in hyperbole only confirms your desperation.

The speed of China's retaliatory tariffs shows their concern Trump's policies threaten their predatory trade practices.

Walled garden is a perfect term for the mercantilism Donnie Boy's been advocating. So I'm confused. Are you in favor of green technology now or not, because to help it along, the government might need to give the industry some help. From an investment perspective, China has the edge because it already is well into extracting and refining rare earth minerals, and they lead in green energy manufacturing.

Reciprocal tariffs and trade restrictions aren't a wall or mercantilism. Pity Democrats and never Trumper Republicans can't stop wallowing in Orange Man Bad long enough to recognize Chinese exploitation of status quo trade arrangements.

President Trump is working to achieve equitable trade agreements with the Chinese and with Greenland and the Ukraine to establish alternative sources of rare earth minerals. But the Orange Man Bad zealots only see their hatred even when it helps advance Chinese dictators.

So are you expecting green energy companies to compete well against China how, exactly?

This question is suprising given what I have written. Private US green energy companies will compete with China incorporated once a fair market is established at least in the US market.

Why the opposition if you believe the US won't be competitive?

We could start manufacturing more here for sure, but that will face competition from a capital investment perspective because China is the cheaper and more reliable solution. We are currently buying from China because they are the main source of the resources and technology needed to produce this kind of product.

Fair competition is the heart of capitalism. It's the driver of superior products for less cost.

It's incredibly naive to believe the Chinese will be reliable suppliers when the US energy sector depends on them.

By how much did it undercut it when China is producing most of it?

Biden lifting trade restrictions paved the way for China to continue dumping green energy equipment in the US market. That kept domestic manufacturing from developing.

Incorrect. China leads in this industry and none of the whinging you do changes that fact. It's similar to how we look to Taiwan for semiconductors, and the Netherlands for the lithography machines to make them.

Reciprocal trade policies aren't whinging. Opposing fair trade by proclaiming China is eternally dominant is whinging.